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Carving versus standard technique

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What are the essential differences on current skis between the carving technique and standard/historical technique? Carving technique I understand as projecting both knees into the turn with appropriate angulation of the body thus putting both skis on their edges which seems pretty much what I have been attempting to do for more years than I care to mention (first skied at Glenshee with cable bindings). This may well have been covered so if someone can direct me to a particularly useful post I would be most grateful.
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Some threads for you to be going on with:

http://snowheads.com/ski-forum/viewtopic.php?t=20336

http://snowheads.com/ski-forum/viewtopic.php?t=23534

http://snowheads.com/ski-forum/viewtopic.php?t=18921

http://snowheads.com/ski-forum/viewtopic.php?t=11554

http://snowheads.com/ski-forum/viewtopic.php?t=26816
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lordjohn, Welcome to snowheads - see you haven't had many posts! Yes - you're probably right in that you may well have been trying to achieve it for years. The difference is that now you actually can, and quite easily. The main difficulty for peeps from the old school is the idea of putting the ski on it's edge right at the start of the turn and not taking all the pressure off it at all - that's a bit wierd when you learnt hoppity up-unweighting. (speak from personal experience). Also, often a problem is keeping your feet sufficiently far apart all the time.

You can incline a lot further into the turn on modern skis (more support) than you could on straight skis, and all the movement should start from the foot and go up the leg rather than start from the hip and move down.

Hopefully this helps a bit. Very Happy Very Happy
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Many thanks to you both. The posts will keep me going for a while,veeeight..sorry but when I searched I was overwhelmed by pages. Charlotte (if I may be so bold)..you give it to me in a nutshell!

John
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you can tip the ski on edge, rotate the skis, or blend the two movements.

in terms of historical technique.....one could tip the ski on edge, however, it had to be bent to form a template resulting in a turn. i other words straight skis tipped on edge went.........straight!

consider tipping and turning two polar extremes..........different biases

carving is done in a manner to preclude rotating or turning.

hope my $00.02 helps
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easiski, any recommended ways of not unweighting so much? It just still feels so natural to unweight but of course if you do so, and you still manage to carve your turn, you're only doing so on one edge, not two.

If it's just a case of mind over matter, I could have a long way to go!
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zammo, It depends - if you're up-unweighting as we used to then you can't be skiing arc to arc as you will have the ski flat and almost inevitably pivot at the entry to the turn. I find one of the best exercises for old schoolers is to leave your poles at the bottom of the lift. Ski with your feet RIDICULOUSLY wide (they'll only feel like that probably) and with your hands flat inside your knees. to start a turn pull your inside knee to the inside of the new turn using your hand to help. If you do this you really feel the edge bite and the ski set off. Gradually you can try with poles and then standing up etc. Takes a while but seems to work better than anything else I've tried. Very Happy
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easiski wrote:
The main difficulty for peeps from the old school is the idea of putting the ski on it's edge right at the start of the turn and not taking all the pressure off it at all


Yeah, that's the part I found hardest to get my head round too. I also find it more important than ever to have well maintained edges on modern skis.
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zammo wrote:
easiski, any recommended ways of not unweighting so much? It just still feels so natural to unweight but of course if you do so, and you still manage to carve your turn, you're only doing so on one edge, not two.

If it's just a case of mind over matter, I could have a long way to go!


the best response that i have ever heard concerning the efficacy of unweigthing went something like this;

"why move up when our goal is to go down.........hill."

or

"the only time one wants to move up is on a lift"
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