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Glove technique

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A tip I was given by a ski instructor in Chamonix is to make sure that your elbows are outside a line between your shoulders and your hands. Many beginners unconsciously adopt the 'inside' position, making it virtually impossible to bring the hands together. Blush
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Megamum, when its very cold: put on a pair of inner gloves.
When its very very cold: put on two pairs.

What is your inner glove tecnique. I stuff my outer gloves into the front of my ski jacket while I put them on (non-dominant hand first) Blush
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You should also always have your mummy's mobile phone number, the address of your hotel or apartment, a hankie, a few sweeties and your bus money home; this last can be inside the glove.



My glove has a little zipped pocket on top, I now know what it's for. Thank you. Smile
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kittya, it is probably that the pocket is actually a ventilator, something which would put you in the advanced category. I suggest that you read this thread carefully to ensure that your approach to gloving is up to the standards and best practice as currently defined by the experienced glove users on this site.
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So as summer is near its end and the new season is on the horizon, I thought Id go back to this thread(thanks to boredsurfin, for the link from the hot beverages thread) and see how your season went.

Did your technique improve, and was the thread helpfull. Did any one take any specialist glove schools or are planning to this season, me I cant wait to see what new kit will be available this year.
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After reading this thread, I decided that you are better off just buying a pair and just get out on the mountain with em.

None of this taking lessons or reading about it first, just go and do it. Technique and lessons is for wimps Toofy Grin as for cleaning DIY is the only way to go snowHead
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Bones, The other alternative is to take things gradually and just wear one glove to get use to the sensation. During the rest of the year, when I am not skiing, I just wear a single glove on my left hand.

I have found that this does not unbalance me and it leaves my dominant hand free to do other things unencumbered.

The main drawback is that by the end of the summer I have one suntanned hand and one pale hand.
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JP, this is extremely courageous and, some experts might confirm, risky. The possibility of losing balance by providing more freedom to the dominant hand can seriously hamper you abilities in the winter time. I would recommend forced repetitions with the weaker hand where you glove the dominant one for more than 24 hours at a time and seek to find a way of coping through that time. You should definitely do three of these sets/week, during a full one-month period and then move back to the normal training method which you describe. I have noticed that this works well and gets you prepared for the winter.
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I must point out that on this thread no one has as of yet come up with a satisfactory technique that works for leather AND goretex gloves.

I have both and am not sure i could remember dual instructions on how to operate either type. Can someone write up a small handy guide that i could take with me Laughing Toofy Grin
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As far as advanced techniques go has any found a satisfactory method for prevention of "glove hand" aka the particularly savoury fragance when you lift your beer to your mouth at the end of the day?

Does anyone recommend retaining the glove on the hand to prevent "glove hand" but then this leads to a new set of problems known as "coin impingement" surely?
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skimottaret wrote:
I must point out that on this thread no one has as of yet come up with a satisfactory technique that works for leather AND goretex gloves.

I have both and am not sure i could remember dual instructions on how to operate either type. Can someone write up a small handy guide that i could take with me Laughing Toofy Grin


I'm sorry to say, that if you can't cope with different techniques, then you just need to stick to one or the other. You wouldn't expect one technique that would suit lace up boots and clip boots.

You're obviously a beginner, so try one finger at a time.
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Elizabeth B, I thought to be an expert you needed to have a "quiver" of gloves to suit all skiing conditions. I may start a post to see whicih type of glove would be best as my "all mountain" multipurpose glove.

tah on the one finger at a time technique, now where is my pencil..... Toofy Grin
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I suggest that it is very wise to always modify your gloves by joining them together with a 2.5m length of paracord that is then passed through the arms of your jacket...this way you won't lose them whilst trying out any new gloving exercises whilst on the gondolas!! Also remember to stitch your name badge inside the gloves.

If you think that gloves with fingers may be a little too much to cope with then its best to try out mittens first until you get the hang of it.
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'Glove hand' seems to impregnate childrens gloves after several days use - if anyone has a satisfactory prevention solution I would be interested.
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demos,
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I would recommend forced repetitions with the weaker hand where you glove the dominant one for more than 24 hours at a time and seek to find a way of coping through that time.


Thanks for the advice; as soon as I find a cheap set of left hand golf clubs I will try it out. Toofy Grin
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fatbob,
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As far as advanced techniques go has anyone found a satisfactory method for prevention of "glove hand"


My solution is to wear a different pair of liners inside the glove each day and wash them at frequent intervals.

I do appreciate that this may involve the advanced technique of putting two pairs of gloves on each hand at the beginning of the day, however, if when they are removed during the day care is taken to leave the inner glove in place, then there should not be any ongoing problems with ingress on replacing them.

Megamum,
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'Glove hand' seems to impregnate childrens gloves after several days use - if anyone has a satisfactory prevention solution I would be interested.


Washing the hands after meals may assist and prevent a build up of stale pizza on the inside.
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JP, Thanks I clearly have a lot to learn. I may enroll in a liner optimisation clinic. I do however fear it will be some time before I master the extraction/residual inner glove technique.
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JP,
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two pairs of gloves on each hand

I don't feel that we have even begun to crack the various problems posed by the Inner Glove, particularly a tendency to twist - which we all know from this forum to be one of the most dangerous pitfalls in skiing technique overall - but I do think that your suggested solution is extreme, to the point of foolhardiness! Whilst tight boots are generally considered A Good Thing, tight gloves may lead not to increased control, but possibly to complete loss thereof, with a consequent risk of permanent circulatory damage. Shocked In my view, just one inner glove on each hand is sufficient for all but the most top-end ski mountaineers, but the choice of material is of course key to achieving warmth and a perfect fit of the outer glove. In another thread, the benefits of thin merino wool as the material of choice for the inner glove have been explored. I remain to be convinced that the thin, slippery, supple qualities of pure silk can be beaten.
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fatbob, Persevere, nothing worthwhile doing is easy.
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JP,
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Washing the hands after meals may assist

I do so agree and indeed remember that this topic formed the core of my very first BASI course on baby-sitting.
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Hurtle,
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two pairs of gloves on each hand


Misinterpretation, I was only advocating the use of one inner and one outer, ergo two gloves.

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I remain to be convinced that the thin, slippery, supple qualities of pure silk can be beaten.


Amen to that. Twisted Evil
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JP, I know. Only kidding. wink
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Hurtle, Not about the silk I hope. Toofy Grin
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JP, no, no, just the first bit! Toofy Grin
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Oh, let's not discuss the Inner Glove yet. There are lot's of things to discover at the advanced level. I am just starting to get grips on the angulated and protected finger holes which are common in hardcore competition gloves. They have a great impact on my pole's position and make me feel, at least for the time being, stiffer than usual.

I intend to dwell deeper in the topic as I am possibly going to Cervinia this winter and would like to get some private tuition to perfect the technique. Does anyone have any tested coaches or guides with whom I could reserve a private class, or do the Italians only do group sessions?
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demos, Laughing Laughing Laughing
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stoatsbrother, I agree - we need professionals here. Does anyone know if there's an academic journal or any research papers devoted to this subject?
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Research paper here: http://linkinghub.elsevier.com/retrieve/pii/S0091674906034117

Clearly latex gloves are not a solution
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Ski gloves have also been deployed in other areas of scientific study: http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/full/77/2/406

See the cold exposure scenario
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and see here for the absolute solution to inverted glove syndrome:

http://www.wipo.int/pctdb/en/wo.jsp?IA=US2005006373&DISPLAY=DESC
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Megamum wrote:
and see here for the absolute solution to inverted glove syndrome:

http://www.wipo.int/pctdb/en/wo.jsp?IA=US2005006373&DISPLAY=DESC

What a spectacular find! Laughing Laughing Laughing
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This is extraordinary! Megamum, you are a star and save the day!
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Megamum, Very Happy Very Happy
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Megamum, Must be lovely to have the spare time to Google for that stuff Confused
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I have been very confident all this time that there is an answer to everything. We just have to research further. The inverted glove solution may also help with the inner glove issue which was briefly mentioned yesterday. While I am still stiff and have the hards on (mind you that proper black boots help in getting to the right mindset), I am now starting to wonder about the soft, silky and thin protection which I might want to wear after all.
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Boredsurfing, Jealousy doesn't suit you wink Laughing Laughing

Glad you liked the find folks - I think we should petition to get one installed in every hotel ski locker room
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A tip from an instructor in Chamonix. Keep your elbows outside an imaginary line drawn between your shoulders and your wrists. You will find it much easier to bring your hands together.
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A newbie glove wearer in 2008, this thread was invaluable. A source of guidance and comfort through those angst ridden, often humiliating days of glove faux pas.

Soon I became a confident intermediate, emboldened enough to cross over to the dark side...mittens!

All went well, until matchbox sized mobile e-devices took over the world. So I thought I’d throw down the gauntlet.

What advice do snowHeads have, as we approach the end of another decade?

How do they cope with the challenges of handwarming apparel with mobile use?

Has a decade of change brought other challenges for the hard pressed digit wrapping digital device demon?

Ohhhhh...I’m getting frostbite.

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Ignore the electronic device, embrace the liberation of not being a slave to it!
Alternatively, use silk liner gloves because when you take the outer gloves off, the finger usually still works on the screen through the silk, and frostbite is held at bay.
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@karin, thank you. I battled for years to resist e-device use. I stood up to ridicule and scorn. It was 2017 before I bought a smartphone.

The ability to order from my table at pubs, bypassing the queue of parched, peckish and peeved pensioners, proved pivotal.

Silk liner gloves eh? Do they still operate touchscreens well, even when they get a bit damp?

What about putting them on and off? I mastered my silk dressing gown, after studying old 1930s films on YouTube and days of practice. But silk gloves sound like a different league.

Is there a special thread for advice on managing silk gloves? Sounds worth a try.
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