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stoatsbrother,
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well go for it - I am sure the rep on your next freshtracks holiday could organise something...

Don't know about her, but I'm not that way inclined! Shocked
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Great, on to page 5!!
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Elizabeth B, yes I was once a tasteful green but a few trips with one of the best, no let's be honest - the best, skiing guru of all time soon turned me purple. However I do like the sound of this increasing blood flow. Do you use the force?
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Hurtle, yes - that would be going a bit off-piste... get her to arrange a guide!
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Hurtle, can one be one without the other? A pre-requisite I would posit.
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Yoda, of course the two skills are related. But one is not automatically at the top of one's game in both. Think, say, of downhill and telemark.
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Hurtle, there come two new topics - glove techniques for telemark and downhill. There must be something there too. Who's the one who hits one straight line down fast (or so claims)? He could comment on the gloving prior to such attempts.
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demos,
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Who's the one who hits one straight line down fast (or so claims)?

Don't know. It was a skier, was it, and not a boarder? I take it, btw, that you're going to leave the snowboarders to their own devices, matrix-wise?
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There do seem to be other issues which have not cropped up on the otherwise excellent thread which may be worthy of inclusion. Though not all technically 'technique' issues they are related as poor fitting gloves inevitably lead to poor technique. These are:

The issue of glove shell size - how much distance should their be between the end of the finger and the end of the digit recess

Where should the wrist elastic/tighting device fall in relation to the wrist joint - above, below or over it

Also, the issues of glove removal with possibly warm hands which could possibly invert the glove inner - Methods for its re-insertion into all parts of the shell.
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Megamum, the elastic.tighting device position will clearly have an impact on the functionality of the glove, thus it is extremely relevant to this discussion. Could you elaborate the possible outcomes from your experience related to beginners, children and more experienced adult skiers?
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IMHO the wrist tightening affair - which seems to come in three major forms, elastic, a velcro tightened half band running across the back of the wrist and back onto itself through a D loop and plastic clip adjusted version of the same strap, doesn't want to fall too close to the thumb joint for fear of interfeering with thumb action, for beginers it needs to of sufficient tightness to stop the ingress of snow since our hands are often in contact with the white stuff in the early days. In children this is a different issue - functionality on the hand is against ease of application in terms on putting on the glove and for this reason a band adjusted following application can be easier than elastic - velcro being the material of choice for little ones, but even then the band should be of sufficent size for parents podgy finger size since they normally end up adjusting it. Experienced adult skiers should be allowed to make up their own minds based on years of experience.

As for the drawstring affairs sometimes seen around the very edge of the glove hole, these are neither use or ornament esp. with childres and should be removed from the glove as soon as they are bought. The wrist affair is usually sufficient.

Now to the question of wearing inside or outside the sleeves of the jacket - I know it is trendy to wear sleeves of jacket over the wrist of the glove, but this is not easy to achieve if you have you jacket on once on the piste. Therefore I favour gloves over jacket sleeves and ensure that the gloves I buy have a larger wrist to do this - although I do appreciate that this may make the gloves more prone to filling with snow - discuss.............
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Megamum,
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Therefore I favour gloves over jacket sleeves and ensure that the gloves I buy have a larger wrist to do this - although I do appreciate that this may make the gloves more prone to filling with snow -

Aaah, no-o-o-o, I couldn't disagree more with this. Larger wrist means larger everything, in my experience - net result, the gloves don't fit anywhere AND they fill up with snow. I appreciate, though, that problems like this are more serious for pixies, they have their own fitting problems. (Overlong glove thumbs are the particular cross I have to bear, so much so that I am seriously thinking of getting some custom-made gloves, if and when I can afford it. Which reminds me, have there been any recommendations yet, of people who make gloves to order? Preferably in or near London, I'm not aiming to visit Chamonix in the near future.)
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I'm in the "gloves inside the sleeve" camp, and not for trend-related reasons, but because I'm not a big fan of snow-in-glove syndrome, or the related and often pursuant snow-up-sleeve problem.

How to avoid either of these problems? Get gloves with long wrist cuffs, and get a jacket with velcro cuffs and - most important this - an integral inner layer with thumb loop stitched inside the sleeve. Thumb loop goes over bare thumb (well duh!), glove goes on hand, velcro cuff of jacket goes over wrist of glove and tightens. 'Hey' and indeed 'presto!' Be warned though: you may need gloves and jacket that look suspiciously like those of a *gasp* snowboarder...

ElizabethB, I meant to ask earlier - will your one-to-one tuition bear any resemblance to the work of Miss von Tease, as posted earlier? If so, then where do I sign? Toofy Grin
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snojito,
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thumb loop stitched inside the sleeve.

Oh, that's what that loop is for. Duh.
ElizabethB, I need to join the queue for lessons. Embarassed
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Here I was focusing on angulation and movment when all the time it was the glove technique that was important! I will go home and practice in front of the mirror! Tip buy thermal gloves and wear cargo gloves (Oakley) Over them great finger dexterity and warmth garunteed
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Hurtle,
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that's what that loop is for


well, it's either for that, or for tying your gloves to -- you know, to create the kind of elasticated, mittens-on-string one-piece that Guvnor described earlier....
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snojito, no, I think your first suggestion was the right one. A truly lightbulb moment. Thank you.
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Hurtle, delighted to oblige Very Happy

(I'm just glad to have finally said something of value to someone. You know what they say about a hundred monkeys with a typewriter each...)
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snojito, I've noticed that Spyder Jackets seem to have this sleeve design
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Interesting stuff.

However, I'm not not sure this is necessarily the correct forum for the various glove-related issues. There are different levels of glove technique to consider and I think we're in danger of scaring off the more casual glove user (which we all were once, if we're being honest).

I suggest we split this into 3 threads:
1. Glove technique - instructors & manufacturers, advanced techniques.
2. Glove technique - recreational glovers.
3. Apres-glove.

We may also want to consider those who don't wear gloves. There's been the occasional day in April where I've tried skiing off-glove but I wouldn't claim to be an expert.
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alan empty, Toofy Grin Laughing agreed, and perhaps no 1) should be made a sticky so we can learn from them.
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This subject is turning out to be huge, in fact unmanageable unless it's broken down a bit. Here's another gloss, picked up from the Powder Ribbons thread: Since using them I've never had a problem with losing skis in powder, but the downside is that they are really fiddly when putiing the ski on ( attach to ski brake, stuff ribbon in trousers or top of boot ) If one's using these things, the maintenance of manual dexterity is absolutely crucial. I think that the exploration of (outer) glove designs which allow your fingers to be slightly more dextrous than a bunch of bananas, is definitely worth a thread in itself.
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Hurtle, You need a low bulk glove, allowing you to do all the fiddley things easily, or antifreeze in your veins Smile
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I can't believe that I've just read the whole of this thread.

I feel dirty.
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sproggski, should have worn gloves!
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When you think about it if the wrist fastenings are suspect we should really deploy powder ribbons on gloves, after all if you're digging for a lost ski you don't want to be doing it having lost your gloves - your hands would rapidly become unusable due to the cold. I think that glove powder ribbons must rate as an essential off piste addition.
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Anyone for Armstrong and Millett?
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Anyone for Armstrong and Milletts?

First man on the moon and a shop where you can buy gloves Puzzled
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OK, for those into glove porn, I should put on your dark glasses before you look:



These are gloves for being seen in.

The ones on the left have natty little pockets in the back for the insertion of those self heating pockets - if anyone has any insertion tips that they wish to share...................
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Megamum wrote:
The ones on the left have natty little pockets in the back for the insertion of those self heating pockets
I know people who thought these pockets were a good place to put their hands-free lift pass. This is not a good idea.
The cards often break from the repeated bending and become unusable.
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I thought those little pockets were for folded notes to tip the lift attendant for good service Very Happy
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I did wonder about the positioning of the heating pocket - granted if its under the palm it would be quite impractical given that you want to hold ski pole and manipulate other bits of kit, zippers etc., but I wouldn't think too much hand heating goes on from having the heating pocket at the back of the hand - I though most of the blood supply ran across the palms.

Incidentally when its gets very cold what do folks think about these heating pouches - do they work/are they a good idea? Unless you buy loads they seem to get quite pricey just for enough for a week or two. They seem to me to be the sort of thing that its a good idea for a large group to get together and buy and then divvy up.
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Megamum, when its very cold: put on a pair of inner gloves.
When its very very cold: put on two pairs. snowHead
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When it's cold, put on an extra hat Very Happy
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When its cold head for the nearest Vin Chaud wink
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boredsurfin, Nice idea, but I've not seen it for sale in our resort bars so far Sad

Elizabeth B, I'm big on wearing hats and helmets - I have two beanies and a helmet - though ordinarily don't wear them together Toofy Grin
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Elizabeth B, thanks, I will make a point of looking out for it.
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