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Saw in the newsagent that the Telegraph in conjunction with Nielsons are offering cut price holidays if you collect vouchers. Don't know how good the deals are but they include the xmas new year breaks so may be helpful.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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But that no doubt does involve buying the Torygraph. Is a deal on a Nielsons holiday worth that? Oh well, at least it's not quite the Daily Hate.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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GrahamN,
I buy my papers for their sports coverage not their political news and views anyway.  Though not usually the telegraph.
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"But that no doubt does involve buying the Torygraph. Is a deal on a Nielsons holiday worth that?"
I guess that depends on whether one is so daft so as to put an paper's editorial stance before a good deal!
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| GrahamN wrote: |
| But that no doubt does involve buying the Torygraph. Is a deal on a Nielsons holiday worth that? Oh well, at least it's not quite the Daily Hate. |
I hear there's a free lentil voucher coming with this Wednesday's Guardian. It won't be long before the long-haired hippies are calling for an end to skiing because of its "carbon footprint".
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T Bar, I'd rather pay full price for a Neilsons holiday than lower myself to the levels of the daily Telegraph readers! Sorry in advance!!
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You dont have to read it - just cut out a little piece of it -then throw it away (I mean recycle it)!
PS Is there any chance of the sun running a similar offer - i love butlins an all but its time for a change 
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I'd rather pay full price for a Neilsons holiday than lower myself to the levels of the daily Telegraph readers! Sorry in advance!!
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What a strange post! Pay the full price then.
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...and I've got this image of Rossfra8 sitting on a plane and the guy next to him saying "Hey! I got a cheap holiday just by buying the Telegraph" and Ross replying "I refuse to buy The Telegraph and I 'm happy I paid full price on a matter of principle" and the whole plane saluting Ross with the Nescafe handshake!!
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Does the old excuse 'I only buy it for the sport.' no longer work ?
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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All the so-called 'right wing' newspapers are pretty soft on crime.
You have to look abroad to find anybody with a bit of sense. I was pretty impressed with recent reports on the Saudi executioner. Take 'apostasy' out of their list of capital crimes and he could do a great job in the UK.
We could also do with someone to torture Peter Tobin for a while, before he finally gets his head lopped off.
After he gets a fair trial of course.
What the country could do with is a sort of Howard League for Penal Reform - only in reverse.
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roga, I read the Independant.... feel free to have a dig! 
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You know it makes sense.
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Rossfra8, I stopped reading the "Independant" when they changed the font..it's hideous!! Sad, but true! One of the papers where the newsprint doesn;t come off on one's hands...unlike the Times!
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Poster: A snowHead
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It is a great paper though! Yeh I fell asleep on a Times, woke up with a story about Peter Tobin^^ printed on my face. Nice.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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^ it was the laziness and inaccuracy of 'that' piece on Scotland that bugged me nothing else, albeit that they culled it from SOS who IMHO are the real villains given they should know better and this isn't the first time they've published such tosh (or been reported to the PCC for doing so).
I liked the Indy's war coverage (if "liked" isn't a contradiction in terms in that context!), but then I would 'coz I agreed with their stance!
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Plus it's an English paper, I mean i loathe the coverage of the SPL being a Celtic season ticket holder, but it isn't full of stories such as Mavis from Linlithgow having her double glazing repaired as a goodwill gesture by the local (Malcolm) Glazer
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brian
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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brian, No. Not quite. We live in Helensburgh! I've told you this before. Edinburgh, hmm, Sighthill?
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eh ? lots of reasonably affluent people with clear upward middle class etcs - well, to go skiing, anyway......... and they're all slating a newspaper that reflects both the profile and the ideals - well, the ideal of skiing, anyway
Or is everyone here a Grauniad reader who's self-blessedness overcomes the hypocrisy of being both left-of-centre and then flying round the world to partake in ecological destruction by paying people to plant lumps of concrete all over the lanscape so they can slide down it ?
hmm.. just had an idea to clear slope-clutter - as people arrive at check-in simply ask them what newpaper they usually read, and if its anything with a centre-left or eco-bias, ban them from boarding the plane ! more space on the slopes ! nice one !
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and they're all slating a newspaper
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Please, not all of us!
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| Rossfra8 wrote: |
| Plus it's an English paper, I mean i loathe the coverage of the SPL being a Celtic season ticket holder, but it isn't full of stories such as Mavis from Linlithgow having her double glazing repaired as a goodwill gesture by the local (Malcolm) Glazer |
Yeah I used to loathe that kind of insular tosh befgore I moved to England... now I'm nostalgic for it
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| and they're all slating a newspaper that reflects both the profile and the ideals - well, the ideal of skiing, anyway |
So what exactly is the "profile and ideal of skiing" in your opinion 'coz you've lost me on that one... haven't seen many retired colonels whizzing down the slopes in France, Scotland or the USA recently screaming "hang em, flog em" at the top of their voices  
Mind you, being a Scot I do naturally avoid braying upper class English accents so might be missing all the toff action on the piste
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| hmm.. just had an idea to clear slope-clutter - as people arrive at check-in simply ask them what newpaper they usually read, and if its anything with a centre-left or eco-bias, ban them from boarding the plane ! more space on the slopes ! nice one ! |
Yup, seems it'd clear a good few of us away... then we could all get together, eat lentils and plot the overthrow of capitalism whilst the the Telegraph and daily Mail readers were off on the slopes... or would that just be silly? 
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| roga wrote: |
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| and they're all slating a newspaper that reflects both the profile and the ideals - well, the ideal of skiing, anyway |
So what exactly is the "profile and ideal of skiing" in your opinion 'coz you've lost me on that one...
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| hmm.. just had an idea to clear slope-clutter - as people arrive at check-in simply ask them what newpaper they usually read, and if its anything with a centre-left or eco-bias, ban them from boarding the plane ! more space on the slopes ! nice one ! |
Yup, seems it'd clear a good few of us away... then we could all get together, eat lentils and plot the overthrow of capitalism whilst the the Telegraph and daily Mail readers were off on the slopes... or would that just be silly? |
1st bit - target demographic of DT is - apart from the stereotype - that of younger, reasonably affluent people. ie. exactly the kind that might well go skiing. So it reflects the profile. Re. ideal...... going skiing is an ideal, and its certainly relfecting that by frequent skiing supplements, holiday voucher offers etc etc...
Second bit ? well, if it reduces the lift queues.... how about DT and Mail readers go to the Alps, cos that's pretty impressive, manly, right-wing type scenery, and all the Grauniad and Observer readers get shunted off to Andorra, on the grounds there's lots of fluffy goats and stuff there.... oh hold on, that's AnGora.. oh well, never mind, send them there instead
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I fail to see why any Daily Mail reader would go to the Alps - there are foreignors there! They might catch something off them or have the chalet stolen from under their feet...
There are only two papers worth reading, the Telegraph and the Times.
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| skisimon wrote: |
| There are only two papers worth reading, the Telegraph and the Times. |
Do you mean reading - or paying for ?
I suppose your statement holds true if you are happy to restrict your propaganda to Rupert Murdoch or the Barclay brothers and their lackeys.
With tinternet there is no need to limit yourself.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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| austin7 wrote: |
| 1st bit - target demographic of DT is - apart from the stereotype - that of younger, reasonably affluent people. ie. exactly the kind that might well go skiing. So it reflects the profile. |
Yeah but by all accounts they aren't that good at hitting any target demographic at the moment - shaaaame
Anyway, it may come as a surprise to you that all broadsheets (or whatever passes as such these days) target themselves at the young and affluent - there are however different categories of young and affluent and of course many don't have politics that make Ghengis Khan look like a wooly liberal
However, that fact may be beyond the wit of the Torygraph and their current readers - I just love the way right-wingers find it difficult to conceive that anyone but themslelves has reasonable politics, whereas everyone else (that being the majority of the population) thinks they're a bunch of superannuated old nit wits (probably as a result of seeing clips from Tory conferences on telly) - I of course believe they're just a bunch of old (and a few young) loonies but that's reasonable 'coz I'm saying it 
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| Re. ideal...... going skiing is an ideal, and its certainly reflecting that by frequent skiing supplements, holiday voucher offers etc etc... |
Oh well I have a month or so of "ideal" a year and I'm not even a Torygraph reader - how odd 
Anyway, if there is that much about skiing in the paper I do wish you Torygraph lot (all one or two of you) would just ;let us know when the useful stuff is in the paper and stop pontificating
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| Second bit ? well, if it reduces the lift queues.... how about DT and Mail readers go to the Alps, cos that's pretty impressive, manly, right-wing type scenery, and all the Grauniad and Observer readers get shunted off to Andorra, on the grounds there's lots of fluffy goats and stuff there.... oh hold on, that's AnGora.. oh well, never mind, send them there instead |
Oh, very good
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You know it makes sense.
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I suppose your statement holds true if you are happy to restrict your propaganda to Rupert Murdoch or the Barclay brothers and their lackeys.
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This all depends if you have the intelligence to read an editorial with an open mind. The Times, Telegraph, Guardian etc...all have their political leanings in their editorials but the actual news is reported, generally, in an unbiased fashion. That's why they are called Quality Papers! I have to disagree with the notion of The Telegraph as a "hang 'em and flog 'em" paper. The Mail and Express certainly but not the Telegraph.
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awksquawk, Every paper has a bias and it is not simply confined to the editorial.
There is a bias in what is included or omitted. It is there before they even get round to putting words on a page.
Anyway, with all the free papers people(or Londoners at least ) are getting the Daily Mail or Rupert Murdoch outlook whether or not they pay for a paper - unless they avoid reading the freesheets of course.
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I would agree that there was a time when the Telegraph scrupulously kept reporting and opinion separate. No more. I stopped buying it when they were more and more making assumptions about the opinions of their readers in their reporting (and I mean reporting, not editorials). I finally lost patience with it over the Columbine massacre ("Internet nerds attack classmates" (or something along those lines) made me realise I was actually reading highly biased, rectionary brain-rot that assumed thier readers were ancient xenophobic technophobes. I am only the first of those. I also reacted badly to "The legislation goes back to the days when we had servants.." (For "had" substitute "were" in my family's case.)
I find the Times much more wide-ranging in its views, and you even get the odd anti-royal rant, which as a Republican I enjoy. The trouble with the Telegraph is that it contantly drip-feeds the same backward-looking anti-young propaganda. I used to find it funny, but it is brain-rot.
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| Chris Bish wrote: |
| I find the Times much more wide-ranging in its views, and you even get the odd anti-royal rant, which as a Republican I enjoy. |
Murdoch of course is no fan of the Royals...
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| The trouble with the Telegraph is that it contantly drip-feeds the same backward-looking anti-young propaganda. I used to find it funny, but it is brain-rot. |
This is actually a point many former Telegraph people make when talking about the decline of their old newspaper, it's a widely accepted POV across much of the industry as far as I know.
So it's not just us 'loony' lefties that find the current Torygraph rather more a rag than a 'quality' 
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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'Telegraph' always had great coverage of the more salacious court cases in addition to the sport.
'Financial Times' and 'Sun' are for people on the first train out in the morning. 'Guardian' is bought by soap-dodgers and beardies who get on after 9:30.
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so are the deals any good then
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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obviously if I did buy a telegraph to have a look at said deal, I'd have to conceal it inside a porn mag to avoid embarrasment when making way to check out
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Interesting to see how principled people are in their reading habits. As a matter of interest does no-one buy newspapers partly to challenge their viewpoints rather than to confirm them?
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T Bar, Less newspapers are being bought these days. Even the currant bun has had to reduce its price recently and put its own vendors on the streets of London; though it puzzles me who would still want to buy a daily newspaper at midday.
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davejsy, as an interesting aside, I once used the Times (when it was still a 'proper' broadsheet) to nick a porn mag. I was an impressionable 13 year old (as opposed to an impressionable 20 year old... as I am now). Big papers, with inserts, are good for sneaking magazines out of newsagents. The counter lady commented on its thickness, quick as ever, I suggested that there was a TV listings insert or something...
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I trust it was a legendary grotmag like Razzle.
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| awksquawk, Every paper has a bias and it is not simply confined to the editorial. |
That may well be true but less so with some than with others. It is up to the intelligence of the reader to understand that and factor it into their thinking. For example, I am quite capable of reading the Daily Mail without changing my opposition to the death penalty or The Guardian without altering my opinion that we need a smaller State not a bigger one!
(FYI...I'm actually a Times reader for the record)
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