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Hi all
This is my first post but I've been so excited about finding this website because I think my friends and family are just about to disown me from listening about skiing non-stop/putting up with my post-skiing blues etc especially since I never showed the remotest sporty streak before discovering this.

We are heading to Mayrhofen for Christmas week and are planning another week at the end of Feb. I'm looking for advice on what to do about the Feb trip as I'm a bit overwhelmed by the choice on offer and am hoping someone can give us some pointers. Feb will be my 5th trip and I guess I'm ok but am nervous (and I think I have a touch of performance anxiety in crowds!). Himself grew up skiing in Romania, so he's good and confident (and patient with me!) but even I can see his technique is not like the instructors'.

Our wishlist is:
1. Snow. On the last 2 trips we just about had snow and we'd like to not have to worry too much about it this time.
2. I've always had group ski lessons (I like the craic with this) but am a bit sick of going on the same runs over and over. I really want to explore but am nervous (especially on the road/track bits) so would love to find somewhere not too scary.
3. There's only the two of us so maybe a chalet or smaller hotel would help us find other people to talk/ski with?
4. I've only ever skiied in Austria and love it but maybe it's time to try somewhere else?
5. We're not hugely into apres ski but like exploring the resorts in the mornings/evenings, going ice-skating etc.
6. We don't think we'd like the flashy/expensive type resorts.
7. We can't be bothered cooking or looking for places to eat so like having the grub looked after Smile
8. We are in Ireland so I'm a bit worried that if we leave it til last minute there won't be the volume of offers that there are in the UK - does anyone have an experience of this?
9. We really like the idea of being able to ski-in/out from the hotel as we've never had this before.

It doesn't matter really when we go but we'd like to push the date out as far as possible (without taking too much risk with snow) because when we come back we get completely depressed at the thought of waiting another year to go again. We were thinking of 23rd Feb (ish) and both of us need to book our week off at work soon.

Rebecca
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MissRibena,
Very last point first, you can push the date back a lot further than end of Feb, the snow should still be good till mid march in most resorts and through april in the high ones.

With lessons if you have done five weeks it may be worth having two or three privates and exploring yourself the rest of the time.
French purpose built resorts tend to be the easiest to find ski in ski out places but theyalso tend to be the priciest places particularly the hotels. Chalets can be a lot more reasonable.

Austria is great as are the other alpine countries Austria tends to be a bit cheaper than Switzerland and a quite a bit cheaper than the big French places when I've been I haven't skied Italy enough to get a feel for the prices.

In France Serre Che has the kind of skiing and low key but pleasant nighy life that you are looking for it is my favourite inthe country but has very little ski in ski out stuff. I have skied it into April.
La Plagne is cheaper than some of the purpose built places and has massses of ski in ski out stuff and some great easy skiing.
In Switzerland Wengen has a few ski in out places but they are not convenient as you still have to get the train up but it has great skiing.
Flims Laax is a big area and reasonably priced.
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MissRibena, welcome to snowHeads snowHead

If you could delay by a couple of weeks then the MSB may be an option for you....that's of course assuming that you don't mind meeting some other snowHeads.

If you don't fancy that, it still sounds like Wengen would be a resort that would suit you.
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MissRibena, Welcome to snowHead 's. Do you have to go in Februrary? This is the busyiest time of the year in France and probably everywhere else. Prices and places are at a premium as a result. We went to Selva last year and had a great time. Lots of variety of runs, a 5th time skier will probably do most of the area with a couple of exceptions in Arraba. Nightlife and food great. We did a DIY holiday as we normally arrange things ourselves. The TO's are expensive and do not offer the a great range of resorts. Ryanair flights to Verona, Bergamo or Treviso will get you there and taxi/bus up to resort. Where are you based in Ireland? We saved about €300 on brochure prices and got bettter accomodation.

Chalet holidays are good for mixing with others. I have heard about the holiday from hell chalet but have not experienced it myself at all. France has ski in ski out chalets, nightlife on the whole is quiet but the skiing more than makes up for it.

If you want to PM me I can give you an idea. We have organised a number of groups from Tralee over the last 11 years. It really is easy to DIY. In most cases a ski holiday is less like a summer holiday in that once you are in the resort you will not really need to see the rep.
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MissRibena, .... welcome to snowHeads .... snowHead

What part of Ireland are you living in ... ? .. must be the blackberry capital of the land ... Laughing

Some great deals for DIY now materialising from Aer Lingus - Belfast International Airport - Geneva. A few just booked throughout the season for CHF 5 .... ! Even for January 2nd ... Very Happy

You may consider Bourg Saint Maurice as an option.

Roy Hockley, ... may see you in a few weeks time if you are around ... wink
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Thanks for all the welcomes and suggestions everyone.

We had thought about DIY before but kinda came to the conclusion that the discounts only really added up for groups. Looks like I need to re-think this and keep a closer eye out for flight deals. Thanks for the tip about Belfast - just saw flights to Geneva for £2! I'm a little bit west of Athlone, so Knock and Dublin are our best airports but Shannon and Belfast are definitely do-able (specially at that price!). Topflight do fly some packages to Salzburg directly from Knock and it's such a dream - 45 minutes from my house to the door of the airport (thanks mostly to the amazingly handy carpark).

And more re-thinking needed on the France front too. We have been put off (read intimidated) by a general impression that the resorts are big and impersonal and were warned off by others who told us that the runs are graded to seem easier than their Austrian equivalents, but are more difficult.

We love the idea of Wengen or Italy and are going to check out both. The MSB sounds like great fun. Roy when you say that Feb is busy - did you mean to go later too? I only get the bare 20 days off work and wish there was a some way of squeezing more time off out of them. Am I the only one who has crazy ideas about packing in my 'good job' to go dish-washing for a season? Smile

Rebecca


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MissRibena wrote:
Am I the only one who has crazy ideas about packing in my 'good job' to go dish-washing for a season? Smile

Rebecca


Nope! I'm guessing that most snowHeads have thought about it at some point! Can I suggest that you don't go and watch "Into the Wild" at the pictures.....I came out of seeing it ready to up and go tomorrow!!
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MissRibena,

Quote:

Am I the only one who has crazy ideas ......


..... welcome to the asylum ..... Laughing
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BernardC, Look forward to it, I will have the pot on. We are going to take a sneeky trip to Avoriaz weekend of either 1st or 8th December. Only for a couple of days but would be great to see you.
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MissRibena, In France the Government split up the school half term holidays into districts. So the French resorts are busy for all four weeks, this is a very expensive time at about double the rent. As an owner I say, God bless this arrangment.

Last week in Austria and Italy should be OK, snowHead 's that have places in these countries will be along soon and will give you the advice on these countries.

We are in the same boat as you in relation to "getting to a proper airport". For us it normally involves two flights to get to our destination. Do not discount Selva (Sella Ronda) in Italy. As I said, we were there last year and fell in love with the place, Good Scenery, Food, Skiing and Craic. Easy to get to and not so intimidating as you might think.

Mrs RH has the same problem with time off work as yourself, I get away a little more than she is able to. I still will not be able to catch up with her on the slopes though. If she is in a good mood she will let me be at least within 100M of her. (Maybe she is ashamed of my day glow one piece!!!! wink )
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Miss ribena,
I have one word for you. C-E-R-V-I-N-I-A.
1: Altitude = great snow. I'd leave it later than Feb as you get great clear wether in Italian Alps in March but the snow is still good.
2: Very long wide pistes. Great for intermediates to clock up miles on well-groomed uncrowded pistes.
3: Italian grub. say no more. Cracking food to be had round resort if you go B&B and really no hassle as its never very busy. Mrs Gollancz and i normally crash out for a couple of hours after skiing and then rock up for some grub after.
4: Zermatt. You can ski over the Swiss side for more of a challenge. If you like mileage, you can now manage to get to the very furthest side of Zermatt and back in a day. Much more variety of run here.
5: Ventina Run: 12km of swooping, winding snow-joy from 3400m down to 2000m at the resort. Intermediate orgasm.

In terms of your numbered tick-list....
1: Guaranteed snow
2: good schools and tuition
3: Mostly hotels in a very compact town. Recommnd Gorret and Jumeaux, but these are B&B. Maybe best to go for UKTO hotel to meet people.
4: ski Italy. Pizzas, snow and Italians:)
5: rink in town with Linos pizzeria above. Quiet resort but with a smattering of bars and decent restaurants
6: not flashy. right friendly really
7: italian grub. see above.
8: dunno....but normally a few Oirish about so shouldn't be a problem.
9: All hotels in town are ski in\ski out or as near as matters. Most runs finish at Cretaz which thanks to new lifts is now a decent start-point each morning from the centre of town (i mean the centre of town here......not 100m away or anything.)

Oh yeah......and when its clear, the matterhorn is quite a sight. View from the highest lift is pretty awesome too.
Enjoy
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Hi Miss Ribena

Snow is good (even last year) and the days are longer which is nice in March. It is also a lot cheaper in March, especially in France as it coincides with the end of the french school holidays - from 8th of March to be precise!! You can fly from dublin to Grenoble with ryan air and there are several resorts easily accessible from there.

We are based in Orcieres (about 11/2 hours from grenoble) which is a high resort - starts at 1800 and goes to just under 3000 so we generally have good snow. It's a small resort compared to the Val D'iseres of this world but still big enough to get a god variety of skiing in. It's very french with nice bars and restaurants but not a boozy brits apres ski culture whichnis nice.

The ski instructors have a great reputation and we know all the good english speaking ones so could make sure you get into a good group or have individual lessons with someone nice! There are some perfect apartments that are self catering but they have a restraurant ans bar on site so you can go on a half board deal and they are on the pistes so you can ski from your door.

If you would like me to put a quote together for you for March or even feb (but be warned you will be paying double) for Orcieres, just reply. If you want to have a look at our site before type in undiscovered alps in to google and you'll find us!

happy searching!
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Gollancz - Cervinia sounds fantastic! I got all excited and checked it out for the week dept 15/16 March (which would be a fairytale if I got it as that week includes both St. Patricks day and Good Friday, so I'd only loose 3 days hols and still have a bank hol when I got back). Needless to say no joy. I had actually spotted Cervinia in a brochure and really thought it would be my cup of tea. The flight-only prices for these dates are high too. I'll look into the week before too.

I'm checking out Orcieres and Les Arcs too - thanks for the suggestions.

Thanks again everyone
Rebecca
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MissRibena,

A second vote to go with rayscoops for Les Arcs
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Ribena,
Not sure what you are looking for. but there are deals for £520 HB on www.ifyouski.com to cervinia for these dates. Prices are similar for les Arcs (not been there but have been to le Plagne. les Arcs is actually on my list this year too)
yeah....you could get cheaper in bulgaria or somewhere, but Cervinia is as good value as anywhere in the Alps and I can't see that you will get anywhere decent for much less than £450 HB (les Arcs included)

You can hang around and see if you pick up a deal later of course....
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Hi Miss Ribena, and welcome to snowheads;

WENGEN (excuse the shouting) Usually good snow end of February; great private tuition; not overcrowded if you avoid half-term; and it's also the most beautiful place in the world (if you don't include Scotland); plenty of excellent small hotels, where you can talk skiing all night after you have finished skiing for the day; painless train transfers from Zurich; if you fly Swiss let them deliver your luggage straight to your hotel and get your homeward flight boarding card from Wengen Rail station the night before you fly home. Sorted!
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gollancz, I would second Cervinia also. Met Mrs.RH there a number of years ago and we are still talking. wink All points I agree with except Il Cervino (Matterhorn) is not that good. You have to cross the border for the real deal.

MissRibena, It should be quite easy to get to but at the moment Ryanair Dublin - Turin is V, V, Very expensive. Do they know it is Easter or did they just guess you had planned to go! This is always the problem at the very busy weeks. It is however €100 cheaper the week before, but problems with time off etc etc.

It is a fantastic place to go, easy motorway cruising but worth you while going over to Zermatt to get a sight of the "proper Matterhorn". Just had a look at Ryanairs website and all departures are silly money that week. Stay with us and we will get something sorted for you!!!!
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MissRibena the week beginning 8 March will possibly be the best week of the year in terms of the trade off between good snow, good prices, no crowds. Maybe you should look for a week with one of the specialist UK ski instruction outfits, such as Phil Smith's Snowworks, Inspired to Ski, etc. You would get intensive tuition, video feedback etc, and meet a whole lot of other people obsessed not just with skiing, but with learning to ski better.

To come back on the point about French resorts - they range from big and impersonal to tiny and friendly (though obviously the latter can be a bit of a problem if you don't speak a bit of French). Somewhere like La Clusaz, for example, would be a good compromise - not a ski factory, not a tiny hamlet, but a really French little town with some great skiing. I think there is a Snowhead with a catered chalet there - in an independent chalet like that, the owners will know the area really well and be able to give loads of valuable advice as to where you can go to extend your ski range without scaring yourself witless.
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Thanks so much for all the lovely replies everyone.

I think Cervinia is top of the pops now (with Les Arcs and Wengen coming right behind). I love the idea of skiing in 2 countries. It's probably the newbie-ness of me that falls for all this romantic stuff like ski-in/out and 2 countries etc.

I can only find Crystal going there from Ireland (doesn't seem to be any Italian flights from Belfast at all). They have a week in Meynet hotel B&B for €629 which is 2* but has great reviews on tripadvisor (or Des Guides for €659 B&B) on 2nd March. (Can't get 9th or 16th at all - so looks like I'll be using the full 5 holidays but it's not the end of the world). It doesn't seem too expensive.

I'm very tempted to just book it but maybe it's crazy to do that before I get back from Mayrhofen at Christmas.

Rebecca


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Thanks pam_w - just saw your post now. I'll check out the specialist firms. I didn't really know they existed to be honest.
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MissRibena wrote:
I only get the bare 20 days off work and wish there was a some way of squeezing more time off out of them.

Do you not get sick leave Miss Ribena??
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Oh sideslip, the 'joys' of working in a small company. I have taken 2 sick days in 6 years and that was only because of a car crash and I couldn't drive to work; so I think they'd notice if anything changed Sad It'd be unpaid too. I get tempted to look for a civil service job (which have fab hols) but apart from the holiday situation, my own is not bad.
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Simple plan.
Book 2 days off and say you are going skiing for a long weekend. Then pretend to have broken your leg and stay for six weeks.
Looks like Crystal have kicked uop the prices for Paddy's day.

haven't stayed in meynet or Des guides but both are central and you just need go out back of the hotels to grab a fast chair from Cretaz. B&B is good though 'cuase there are a few decent places to eat in Cervinia. Just avoid the touristy spots like Grivola and you get good value (i.e. look for bar-cum-restaurants off the main street, run by Italians with italians eating in them.)

First place I ever skied was cervinia....and i'll never forget arriving and watching people hurtling down the bottom of run 5 into town late on a Sunday evening.looked absolutely magical......thought i would never be able to do that.....i wasn't looking too styley but it only took a day!
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MissRibena,

Must sympathise with you. Knock is cool, parking outside the door etc etc. Its a shame the Knock Salzburg flight doesn't offer greater resort choice. A couple of years ago I went through Knock to Zell Am See and really liked it. Not very snow-sure though although it should be fine in February. Obergurgl is high altitude with a good choice of high quality accomodation and good beginner/intermediate skiing but unfortunately it means going through the awful Dublin. I'm going to Lech this year (also through Dublin). Have read loads about it - civilised, sophosticated with loads of great skiing. I've seen it described in many places as the best resort in Austria. Check it out.
Isn't it about time Galway airport offered us a few European destinations!!
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Miss Ribena,
Some of the english tour operators have not cliked the paddys week / Easter break and the finals of the 6 nations all rolled into one as a fellow Irish I loved this saved us a fortune. you only have to take tue - Wed off work. Try somwhere in the Italian Dolmites absolutley spectacular Madonna Del Campino spelt so wrong is amazing. But Feb is going to be expensive no matter when or where you go. For you mayrhofen trip look up this guy for ski storage and rental. Great equipment he is based at the top of the gondola so no carrying gear up and down every day his rates are really goog and he is the real tyrol male trust me

E-Mail: info@skicenter-hubertkroell.com
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For all but first time skiers, I would not advise leaving skis up a mountain to collect in the morning. Mayerhofen is a good resort AND area. Unless your lessons are in the same place same time etc, you may find that after the first day your instructor may take you to another area completely. Even if it is in the same resort the Ahorn and Penken mountains are divided by the town. Hire from the guy by all means but do not leave your skis and boots in one location you will not get the best from the massive area.
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Thanks again everyone - great to hear from more of the Irish gang! Smile Am totally addicted to this site now and am furiously reading as many posts as I can and learning loads.

Last week I was convinced about Cervinia and even though the dates weren't the magic Easter ones, I decided to book (and brave Dublin) but the place that I'd read all the good reviews about was gone Sad, and I took it as 'a sign', so we still don't know where we are going! I think we will leave it until we get back so it can be something to cheer us up and save me from my post-skiing blues. I have a list of a few resorts now thanks to everyone here, so we might even be strong and chance a last minute deal and push the week off for the 1st week of March (if the pre-Easter dates don't work)

I checked some Belfast flights but couldn't find any availablity for the magic dates in the places that had been recommended. I did have a moment of madness considering attempting to get a Ryanair type flight to the UK and fly with a TO from there but I don't think I could be bothered with the hassle and would probably have a nervous breakdown hoping not to miss a flight.

Thanks a million for the tips about Mayrhofen Ordhan and Roy - did you come across anywhere that looked a good bet for boot buying?

Rebecca
(3 weeks and 2 days to go! woohoo)
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Try Les Arcs 1950 - fly to Lyon direct with Are Lingus - easy drive , great snow, endless possibilities
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You could always consider flying Dublin Friedrichshafen with Ryanair. There are loads of busses and trains running to different resorts including St Anton. If you can avoid flying on Saturday the flights are quite good value. There are several train stations in Friedrichshafen city itself from where you can get trains to more or less anywhere.

http://www.stantonamarlberg.com/winter/userfiles/PDFs/Zug_St.Anton-Friedrichshafen_07.pdf

This is a list of the resorts close to Friedrichshafen sorted by proximity;

http://www.j2ski.com/ski_resorts/Airports/Friedrichshafen.html

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hi MissRibena,

don't give up on cervinia. skied there in '96 and it'll be perfect for you, easy red motorways to flatter you and so good for improving your technique. that 22k long red down to valtourneche is great (i think that's what it was called but it's 11 years ago! Laughing )

i've been doing last minute bookings from ireland and you just need to get on the website/phone at the right time (watch the website and work out what day/time it's updated). look at the crystal website and you'll find stuff up to a week before departure.
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I would second that Mr H. Left my skis at top of Penken gondola which was closed due to high winds next day. Had to ski on Mr H's skis and he's a damn sight shorther and a bit lighter than me... well he was in '99.

MissRibena: Would agree on Cervinia for what you describe as your standard of skiing. The easy red motorways described above are blues in other resorts. The major selling point to you is that they are wide and not too crowded so perfect to get over the nervousness. The only bottlenecks are at the bottom in the morning and a ridge with button lifts going over to Valtournenche. Be aware that the resort is high and one person we were with suffered altitude sickness.

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I'd give Bansko a miss, seems a sleepy kind of place to me.
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hunymonsta, An extra special and warm welcome to snowHead 's! Maybe still a bit lighter Laughing Laughing Laughing
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another dub here MissRibena, have been in both Cervinia and Zermatt and I would recommend Swiss over Italian hands down - and it's not hugely more expensive in the town - the skiing is far better on the Zermatt side

the other good option that i would suggest is Flims Laax - easy access from Zurich (Aer Lingus, Swiss.com air) via the excellent Swiss railway or Friedrichshafen (Ryanair) via a private coach company

don't get too hooked on the site ... you'll miss the plane!
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doogo, Agreed re Zermatt.
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