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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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I used the Havoc last year and I thought that all the BD skis that we tested (Havocs, Kilowatts and Verditcts) were pretty light with alpine bindings and very light with the Freeride plus so I would think the Havoc worth adding to your list.
I say it was a better ski than the Mission and skis well but on and off-piste, but not tried any of the others
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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The BD skis are the lightest I've tried but I thought their piste performance was a lot weaker than the Missions. We've used the Missions for three years with Freerides - only problem is the wide shovel catching in skin tracks.
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DB, I'm a bit taller than you and a fair bit heavier, and am looking for something similar - but I think definitely erring to 90+ rather than 90-. As JT said, we tried the BD Havocs and Kilowatts last year. I actually tried 3 different types opf Havoc: the 06, and two different versions of the 07, as they were playing about with the flex pattern. I also tried the Scott Mission at the PSB (along with the 06 Havoc). I wrote reviews at the time (in PSB 06 feedback threads - Nov 06 - and LG Ski test, or something like that - March 07 - you should be able to find them from that - post back if you can't find them and I'll have a look for you).
IIRC the Mission was a blast on piste, and pretty light, the 06 Havoc not at all bad (and lighter), although it wasn't at all easy getting the tip engaged to get a carved turn going. Once the turn was in progress it was fine though. Off piste I much preferred the Kilowatt to the Havoc (felt way more stable), and this is probably my hottest prospect favourite now, apart from the really beefy skis like the Stockli DPs and Dynastar Legend Pros, although those are really way too heavy for what you want. I did want to have a go with the Snoops, although I don't really get along with the Atomic skis I've tried off piste (always feel a bit flimsy and insubstantial to me) - but never managed to find them for hire. fallliner's comment about the extreme shaping of the Missions is why I'm sort of dismissing them. Horses for courses, and all that.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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THanks for the input guys.
JT, the Black Diamond Voodoo is the back country version of the Havoc. Exact same dimensions but ca 10% lighter 3.3 kg v 3.6 kg in a 175cm length, maybe I should give them both a try (if I can find them).
fallliner, Had a couple of hours on the missions and wasn't bowled over. Can't see the shovel being much more of a problem than the other skis on the list as they are all pretty much the same (123 to 127 mm).
GrahamN, Atomics work for me but there again even a pair of Pocket Rockets did at my weight. Here in Austria Atomics are easy to find so shouldn't be a problem to demo. I like the light weight but the non-wood core construction makes me worry that a core shot could kill them or they will lose their pop (flex) much quicker than many of the other skis on the list. The kilowatt in a 175 cm is 3.5 kg so I'll add it to the list.
Last edited by Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do. on Sat 22-09-07 21:22; edited 1 time in total
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BD Voodoo. End of. 
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| SMALLZOOKEEPER wrote: |
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The last time I took advice from you I ended up buying a new pair of walking/mountain boots for a trek that didn't happen (the weather closed in).
So way Voodoo End of?
PS Great boots by the way.
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DB, Lightest wood core 80 something. They rock, watch those edges on the top sheet. Whoo hoo.
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DB, Get yourself some Dynafit BNDgs and a pair of Axon. Whoo Hoo
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Axon? What's dat den?
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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DB, Two bottles of red wine, ooops.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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What about a 174cm K2 Apache Coomba or is their 102mm waist just too much for the piste?
or 167cm as doesn't K2 size via running length?
Last edited by And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports. on Mon 24-09-07 13:39; edited 1 time in total
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Anyboby know the weight of the Fischer WATEA 84 in a 176cm?
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You know it makes sense.
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DB, I think the Coomba is a great idea, it is just that bit too wide perhaps, did i say that? Fischer, i dunno?
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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In terms of Havoc vs Voodoo, it really depends on whether your priority is easy uphill or performance down. The Havocs at 3.6kg are just at the top of the weight limit you mentioned, the Voodoos are about 300g lighter.
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Poster: A snowHead
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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| SMALLZOOKEEPER wrote: |
| BD Voodoo. End of. |
I'm mulling over the idea of investing in a pair of these with Dynafit bindings. Waivering over a 175cm or 185cm. I'm 5'11 approx 76Kg. I've not tested a 185cm so would be a bit of a gamble in that length. Do they ski short being a twin twip of sorts? Of course the longer length are heavier which can be viewed as a negative for a touring setup. Opinions welcomed!
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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DB, I'm a tad lighter than you and have no problem with my 174cms K2 Apache Chief's (98cms) on piste. I think it's a better all mountain ski than my Missions, which in turn, offer better piste performsmce.
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