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Where is the lowest piece of permanent snow in the Alps?

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some glacier somewhere I expect?
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chamonix?
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Mouth wrote:
some glacier somewhere I expect?


bossons must be pretty low, checking recent satellite pictures shows the snout around 1500 meters although that is ice not snow.

I've seen snow near me at 1800 m in potholes.
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I guess it would depend on your defination of "permanent" - never melts in any summer or has been there for the last 100-10-5-4-3-2-1 years?

I have know idea where it is though?

Mouth, I would expect that there are snow patches in the alpes that last from year to year as they do in Scotland that aren't "glaciers" and some of them would be lower that a true glacier Toofy Grin
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Not the Alps but I remember seeing in Norway a glacier that nearly comes down to sea level. Done a quick google and think it's near Styrn where the summer ski place is.
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I remember walking up Ben Nevis in June 82 - on a glorious day - and there was plenty of snow on the summit. Looked thick enough to last all summer to me. Did it in those days? Does it now?

I also remember snow at the top of the "hidden valley" in Glencoe. That was north facing and steep sided so it might have stayed.
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davidof,

Where is bossons?
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davidof,

Where is bossons?




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I also would say the Bossons glacier in Chamonix is probably the lowest remaining Alpine glacier.

In 12,000 BC, it was 1km thick and down to the valley floor (1000m).

In 1800 AD, it was still hanging on by its fingertips at village level (1000m).

By 2006 AD, it had retreated to roughly 1400 - 1600m.
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Whitegold, has someone been taking pieces of it home with them as a souvenir?
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laundryman, I remember walking up Ben Nevis in June 82 - on a glorious day - and there was plenty of snow on the summit. Looked thick enough to last all summer to me. Did it in those days? Does it now?

I also remember snow at the top of the "hidden valley" in Glencoe. That was north facing and steep sided so it might have stayed.


I once heard a story that the ownership of some land on Ben Nevis depended on snow always lying somewhere on the mountain, the "owner" used to go up and shade the small bits of snow in gullies in the summer. Perhaps Haggis knows more about this, or maybe I just dreamt it!
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Mouth, brilliant.
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What you need is the world glacier inventory

http://nsidc.org/data/glacier_inventory/

According to them the Bossons glacier goes down to 1210m asl

laundryman, I don't think the snow normally lasts right through the summer on the summit of the ben, now or in years gone by, the patches that last right through (if they do) are in the north facing gullies. There is still snow knocking about in some of the gullies on the north face this year, as documented by winterhighlander, firefly.


http://youtube.com/v/825i6dihjDI
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brian wrote:
What you need is the world glacier inventory

http://nsidc.org/data/glacier_inventory/


Interesting, take a look on geoportail.fr at the aerial photo and the IGN map. You'd have to check on the ground how far the ice goes down to though. Maybe a job for one of the zookeepers although I'm not sure they ever leave the shop.
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I think the underer grindelwald Gletcher down to 1300-1400.
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Not sure about the alps ? However I suspect Iceland and Norway have the lowest European glaciers.

As for Scotland - some snow usually survives until September on the North Face of Ben Nevis.

However the closest Scotland has to a glacier is the small patch of snow on Braerich. Up until end of the 1990's the patch on Braerich had only be recorded to melt fully 3 times in the last 60 years. But since 2001 I think it has melted every year - which is kind of worrying. Global warming in action... ?

Doug.

p.s I have heard "jbob's" story too...
Though I think it may have been about the northern corries in cairngorm in the 1800's ?
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laundryman, I walked up on a baking hot day in June this year and there was lots of snow on the summit.
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check out this for a "scottish glacier"

http://uk.youtube.com/v/BVtSE1fPjnc

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OT - but the New Zealand Fox and Franz Josef glaciers are impressive:

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While glaciers around the world are retreating, the Fox and Franz Josef glaciers still flow almost to sea level.
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Haggis_Trap wrote:
Not sure about the alps ? However I suspect Iceland and Norway have the lowest European glaciers.

As for Scotland - some snow usually survives until September on the North Face of Ben Nevis.

However the closest Scotland has to a glacier is the small patch of snow on Braerich. Up until end of the 1990's the patch on Braerich had only be recorded to melt fully 3 times in the last 60 years. But since 2001 I think it has melted every year - which is kind of worrying. Global warming in action... ?

Doug.

p.s I have heard "jbob's" story too...
Though I think it may have been about the northern corries in cairngorm in the 1800's ?


Iceland's vatnajokull downs to sea level....Is a glacier like Mallorca (a little more) in extension and has 1000 1500 meters of thickness.
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