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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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parlor, Well I reckon you have justed posted the longest advert for that product so far 
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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boredsurfin, don't make me search for threads 
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Sorry I thought it said VISIT 
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Well, just for you, I can let you into a little secret that my colleagues that are skiing the Stokli / VIST combo have had nothing but trouble with their setup. 
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Tail firmly between legs and running for the hills......will Verbier actually
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So skiing powder in La Ros on a pair of Metrons with Vist plates and touring bindings is the way to go then?
Last edited by snowHeads are a friendly bunch. on Wed 19-09-07 11:11; edited 1 time in total
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| veeeight wrote: |
| Well, just for you, I can let you into a little secret that my colleagues that are skiing the Stokli / VIST combo have had nothing but trouble with their setup. |
ouch i just bought a VIST setup, what probs did they have. I did it to have a tele/alpine setup and my K2/marker binding fell to pieces so wanted something for a flat ski. Also do like the capability to move the binding fore and aft to play with the tele set up..
parlour your right a plate is stupid for an AT setup. But to be fair to Jon i think that came as an enquiry from me and not a recommendation from him. i need AT gear for a 1 week course and thought i could get a pair of second hand AT bindings and make due for a week. what do you recon is the cost of hiring AT skies, skins and crampons for a week...
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You know it makes sense.
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| skimottaret wrote: |
| what do you recon is the cost of hiring AT skies, skins and crampons for a week... |
Pretty much the same as a normal premuim pair of skis - something of the order of €18-20/day (more for just a single day) IIRC. I think the problem you're likely to find though is getting some large enough for you. As ski weight is at a premium, most hire shops will have something like Dynastar 4800s or the like, and I've very rarely seen anything fatter than an 8800 or B2, unless I've found a specialist backcountry shop. E.g. in Gressoney last year they did actually have some 8800s, but only in the longer Freeride binding, which would not adjust short enough for my boots. I think I saw some AT bindings on Zags in La Grave, but that (along with Chamonix) is about as hardcore backcountry a place as you get in Europe. It would be worth finding out what backcountry shops are in your resort and phoning around earlier to reserve some (tell them your boot sole length too) - particularly if there is a whole course needing to do the same.
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GrahamN, Thanks there are one or two shops in COurchevel 1850 but i would like to use my 334mm alpine boots and am guessing will restrict the selection of binding i can use with them.. The AT plate vist idea was mainly a backup in case i get stuck. Also thought rather than hiring skins i could get a pair for my Karmas...
A guy i know took the course, didnt read the fine print and rocked up in his all mountain skis only to be told to get some AT gear, had to go all the way to Albertville to find something as everything was hired out and wasted a day...
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Poster: A snowHead
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veeeight, havent skied on it yet but am impressed with the engineering and quality. reassuringly chunky...
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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skimottaret what GrahamN says really. Where are you going? Ahh Meribel? Search and ye shall find. Maybe in the valley somewhere?
It also depends on the type of touring you want to do or will be doing on the weeks course.
Hiring for one week will be far cheaper than buying second hand bindings and skins just for the convenience of owning one pair of skis. The only question is how much use will you get out of them. For touring gear the skis are the cheap part, if you were considering second hand bindings get the whole ski...
If you like the idea of "little walks" you would be better off with trekkers than ATs on a plate. If you are doing serious touring you will be mad to consider putting a pair of Fritschis on a plate. You'll be so far above the ski it will kill you...
If you haven't bought any gear yet consider Marker Dukes, balance for 80% skiing 20% skinning (or about that).
Doesn't solve your telemark issue mind. Which is where a plate would be amazing, you could easily swap from alpine to telemarks as often as you like. T'bindings need to on at least a 20mm riser... You do pay the cost for when you go skiing on them though.
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veeeight, I have VIST bindings on both my Factions and Gotamas. They seem better engineered than the Salomons they replaced on my Gots and there is no tendency for the toepiece to 'gape', which I found was an issue on the S914. No prerelease problems thusfar, with DIN settings at 13.
skimottaret, have you considered the Marker Duke? A couple of the heliguides in NZ had these on their fat skis and were keen, and said that they worked well when they were out touring. The Volkl Sumos I used on the NZ trip were mounted with Marker Jester bindings which were also very sturdy and didn't release at all (possibly 'cos I had the DIN at 14!). So many choices..
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parlor, when the valley are you saying Bozel or Moutier? Not sure what will be on the course (BASI mountain safety) anyone taken it?
I dont plan on any AT after this course so renting probably is the right way to go buying Dukes is out of the question cash wise cant justify it. I want to perservere with the tele skiing and hopefully in time that will be my method of choice for little tours...
The tele setup is coming together with the VIST adapter plate and G3's on the way... it will be cool to be able to swap boots and into tele gear in the snowdome when on a break.... 
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buying Dukes is out of the question cash wise cant justify it
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You can justify spending any amount of money on ski kit. It's just explaining it to the OH, that's the problem
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| DB wrote: |
| So skiing powder in La Ros on a pair of Metrons with Vist plates and touring bindings is the way to go then? |
"Coz 1 out of 3 aint bad"
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Frosty the Snowman,  You make me Pi$$.
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OK I am sorry if I've crossed a line or 2 or 3 or.................
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BGA, fair dues on justification but this year have had a large series of investments and dukes is a step too far
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skimottaret, I'm a Swiss I'm afraid. Not sure where you might look in your area. Someone must know though.
BGA, that explains why there weren't any breaks on the Sumos (190? a Wazza fave), they're easy to get hold of on the older style Marker bindings. Did you like the Jesters? ie positive entry / slop etc?
SMALLZOOKEEPER, you can shut it too. I've heard your new set up is a pair of trekkers in some Dukes on a Vist plate on Roxy Fun Girls.
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kiwi1, the only thing I could ever hold against you would be a cold beer! No need to apologize, maybe you could just caveat your Vist statements:
*other bindings are available. Your knees may be at risk if you do not secure your boots in your bindings correctly. Vist plates can be good, if you need them. Otherwise stop sodding around and buy two pairs of bindings, perhaps I can suggest a Vist binding. Remember other bindings are available. The release of your bindings may go up or down. And ski or boot secured to this binding may vary at any point.
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parlor, News travels fast, however someone forgot to mention the 11mm riser i screwed to my boots.
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You know it makes sense.
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parlor, I liked the Jesters. Easy to get into (even on side of cornices where we'd be dropped off) and good positive feeling when clicked in. Main difficulty was trying to clear snow off the bottom of the boot as I couldn't use the toe piece of the binding without kicking the ski off down the hill. Apparently the extra wide brakes for the Jester are due soon.
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BGA, Brakes on their way.
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Poster: A snowHead
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SMALLZOOKEEPER, easy job to replace? Current bindings have the 105mm brake so it just sits on the topsheet of the ski somewhat uselessly
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What benefits do the Jesters have vs say, solly 914s/look px14s?
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I always found that the toe piece on my 914s would bulge open and frequently needed adjustment. I never felt fully secure when clicked in, whereas with the Jesters there was absolutely no movement at all at the front of the boot and the setup felt rock solid. Also the DIN on the Jester goes up to 16, whereas the 914 only up to 14. As I have mine set quite high I prefer not to be right at the upper end of the range as I was with the 914s. Also, and this may be just me, it appeared that the Jester seemed lower on the ski and I felt more in touch when skiing it. The only drawback - although this is a result of the better fit/lack of slop I suspect - you have to remove all vestiges of snow from your boots to get into the Jester. I should also say that both sets were fitted by properly qualified ski techs who know what they are about so my issues with the 914s were not caused by poor fitting
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parlor, Your quote of my response to PhilG's post on another thread is a bit out of context as Phil's question was directly related to how easy it was to remove bindings for transit & I don't think that anyone could say that my statement is not true.
My response to snowhot's post was again based upon her specific question/requirements re a 93mm underfoot ski (not particularly fat) to be used for both freeride & park - uses which would benefit from different mounting positions. I have not personally met snowhot or seen her ski but I know people who have. I have also corresponded with her on a number of occasions & think I have a pretty good handle as to her requirements etc. My comments were to suggest a product that I genuinely felt offered a good solution for her requirements.
I do not contest your views re the benefits of flat mounting on fat skis although I know many users who love their lifted system. The "marketing hype" that you quoted was not written by the manufacturer but was actually written by a high end skier who is a user/fan of lifted bindings.
Product requirements/solutions for us UK based folk can be quite different from people who are resort based & who have the benefit of being able to select the best tool for the job for that specific day's use. I would certainly not recommend a lifted mounting for a person with requirements & slope access like yourself but many flatlanders have to take into account not just performance but also factors like transit weight, bulk, & flexibility etc. This is why in some cases I haven't just 'sold another pair of bindings' even though I'd be better off commercially doing that.
A similar example of the pro's versus us back home would be that there are probably more Marker alpine bindings in the UK than any other make but I'd bet that you & V8 wouldn't personally touch them with a barge pole, although the vast majority of UK users think they're fine. SZK won't stock a non wood core ski whereasmost UK customers haven't a clue what's inside their skis.
I am a great fan of the Neox binding for all these 'other' features (as can be seen from my past posts) but they're not really available in the UK as a flat mount item so when a product came along that offered all these benefits & more I was well chuffed. To check them out I actually got a set-up for Deb & was extolling their virtues a long time before I was offered the opportunity to retail the product.
Of course the difficulty comes when one is commercially linked to a product & it's a difficult line to tread between what can be seen as useful input, product passion, commercial interest & outright pimping. It's certainly a difficult line to tread with my tuning products as, as my customer's keep telling me, that "there's no-one else doing this stuff". Like yourself I've often steered customers down a different path that was certainly not to my commercial advantage, although that in itself could be construed by a sceptic as good business practice as it does a lot of good in the long run.
So if I've crossed the line on a number of occasions then I apologise.
And B5's still do rock
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spyderjon, fair points, and at least part of the ubiquitousness of the 'Vist' label is that there are so few competitors and so few of them have any market penetration. I was just trying to get an example of the Sporten plate shown here and it seems that there are -none- in the US or even on their way.
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| comprex wrote: |
| spyderjon.....I was just trying to get an example of the Sporten plate shown here and it seems that there are -none- in the US or even on their way. |
Now that's what you call a freeflex system. Haven't seen that one before. I presume they're in the Czech Republic? If so how about PM'ing Czechracer off epic?
BTW, got your PM re the loadings etc. I've a 9 hour flight on Sun so I think that'll now be design time
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spyderjon, said
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And B5's still do rock.
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I Still agree you there Jon.Although I still think with skis it is a case of the emperors new clothes.But if it aint broke dont fix it.
Just out of interest how do this years B5's compare? Any one tried them out yet?Or are they just perceived 'OldHat' now??Have they just changed the top sheet and left them alone?
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| parlor wrote: |
spyderjon, sorry old boy but here:
http://snowheads.com/ski-forum/viewtopic.php?t=29791
You said:
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| PhilG, Dead easy with the Neox's. Next to VIST Speedlock bindings they're the best on the market for this kinda thing. |
What have the Vist plate bindings got to do with the Neox? Oh yes, you're very experienced with both ;)
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parlor, IMO you've overstated the case in that specific instance. The answer was actually well suited to the question, and perhaps it didn't mention a third option of Tyrolia Railflex, to pick an example, but mentioning alternatives would not have helped the OP.
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| I do agree with most of your points. However it would still be a shame to mount a 92mm ski with a plate, I don't care who advocates it. |
Of course, the opinion of someone a foot or more shorter with a lot less natural leverage from long legs, and a lot less conditioning through exercising that lever during a long season, might vary. Considerably. Particularly if that someone was already used to precise narrow angle control (oh, through stopping high speed wobbles on indifferent pavement/cobbles at 50-60mph on 13inch long skates, to pick a random example).
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| comprex wrote: |
| Of course, the opinion of someone a foot or more shorter with a lot less natural leverage from long legs, and a lot less conditioning through exercising that lever during a long season, might vary. Considerably. Particularly if that someone was already used to precise narrow angle control (oh, through stopping high speed wobbles on indifferent pavement/cobbles at 50-60mph on 13inch long skates, to pick a random example). |
I'll get my skates...
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