 Poster: A snowHead
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During chat on another website someone claimed that binding settings, in terms of the little numbers in the windows, are very erratic and may not conform to the supposed objective DIN settings. He gave the example of one of his skis which kept coming off and was found be at an equivalent of 3 1/2 at the toe, despite the binding being set at 6. He claims nobody in England can test them objectively.
If this is true it is very important. So, is it true?
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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| snowball wrote: |
During chat on another website someone claimed that binding settings, in terms of the little numbers in the windows, are very erratic and may not conform to the supposed objective DIN settings. He gave the example of one of his skis which kept coming off and was found be at an equivalent of 3 1/2 at the toe, despite the binding being set at 6. He claims nobody in England can test them objectively.
If this is true it is very important. So, is it true? |
First bit MAY be true - which is why you should get your bindings checked regularly.
The bit about nobody in England being able to test is a lie. Spyderjon has all the gear to do it!
(what was the website?)
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Well, probably a mistake rather than a lie. So do many shops have the equipment?
It was SCGB chat: "Skiing steeps: binding settings".
So, do people have theirs checked? I never have.
Once a shop returned my skis to me after a service with the settings reduced to 3 (they both came off at the first fast turn). But at least you can look at the setting. If it doesn't mean anything much the situation is more serious.
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There is certainly equipment for testing bindings.
I think the chap with the odd reading on the toe had a faulty binding or maybe a spring had gone perhaps. i work in the ski industry and binding saftey is is taken with the greatest importance it could passibly have.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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snowball, I know of another guy that happened to (I won't name the shop, but it was in Chertsey)
The scale might be attached to the spring, or the scale is printed, and a line is etched on the spring. Either way could potentially have errors, but it would be very rare. Still, my advice would be to get them checked at least once a year.
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I'll ask at Ellis Brigham next time I go to Milton Keynes. I know mine aren't a long way out but if one is even (for example) half a point different from the other (or a point different from my last skis) I'd like to know. In fact perhaps I'll get my last set tested as well, out of interest.
If they have the equipment, that is, and from what the guy said I doubt it.
Last edited by You'll need to Register first of course. on Mon 17-09-07 10:48; edited 1 time in total
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The real DIN can only be measured by machine. The numbers on the toe/heel can be as much as 20% out. Then there are the other variables like the state of your boot, toe height adjustment etc etc. Luckily the manufacturers know all this and account for it. The real danger these days has to be a pre-release rather than a no-release.
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Yes, Bode Swiller, I normally get one, or perhaps two, pre-releases each holiday - which is why I tighten my bindings before a very steep, dangerous slope (eg the north face of Bellecote).
Till the middle of last season I used to set on 8 (toe) and 8 1/2 (heel), but after a slight knee injury I have put them down half a point.
Edit: I have recently been told by a specialist that I probably have ligament "insufficiency" in my right knee ACL - ie there is only part of it still there. I'm not sure if I should put the right toe binding even lower.
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I just contacted Ellis Brigham and they don't have such equipment. I wonder who does.
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snowball, spyderjon.
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snowball,
I don't get that...you have never had them checked but then if there are just out from the marker..you'd like to know... 
In view of your knee issue, I would think you would have had them serviced.
FWIW.I always do a self test by kicking out the toe at the start on a new boot/binding combination...it works up to DIN 9 which is pretty much as high as I go. I will tend to start off at 7.5-8 and then adjust if condiitions warrant it.
I just feel better if I can get a feel of the binding tension and ejection forces BEFORE I have to use it in earnest. I don't just step in and ski off in them.
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| JT wrote: |
| FWIW.I always do a self test by kicking out the toe at the start on a new boot/binding combination |
How does this work? Do you kick the toe with your other boot to see if it releases?
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You know it makes sense.
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rob@rar,
no... that can hurt...!!!! I tip the front tip on the ski over..or if the DIN is high, you need to tip the whole lenght over and just twist the toe out.... it takes a bit of effort to do DIN 8 plus..but if you can, then your quads are in good shape so you have mentally satisfied two things...
a) the binding check
and b)..your legs are strong...
I have indeed noticed that some bindings are harder to do than others.....although I will take note of the manufacturer more as it is either the varying DIN marking on the binding or just some two-release differently than others. Anyway, it is more important that I get the feel of the release than all the other bits and pieces.
I don't pretend to know the difference between 8.5 or 9 but I can tell between 7 and 9..which you would expect.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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JT, thanks, that makes sense. I was wondering whether you had bruised toes!
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Poster: A snowHead
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I'm fairly sure Filarinskis have a DIN measuring system. When I bought skis from them a couple of years ago, the actual measured DIN setting for each ski was supplied on a printout.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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I don't have my skis marked left and right. If one binding is stiffer than the other I'd like to know, and with my recent discovery perhaps I should have one lower than the other.
I must say that at levels where I don't have lots of pre-releases I find it extremely difficult to twist out.
Since my skis were new, 4 days before my injury, I'm wondering if the injury was caused by the bindings being stronger than the last ones (though set at the old levels). Well, as I said, I reduced the setting a little during my week later in the season but I can't actually remember if I had any pre-releases. In general I'd say about 1/3 of my "falls" are actually pre-releases.
Last edited by Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person on Mon 17-09-07 13:52; edited 1 time in total
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| jtr wrote: |
| I'm fairly sure Filarinskis have a DIN measuring system. |
Yes, I think they do.
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| snowball wrote: |
Well, probably a mistake rather than a lie. So do many shops have the equipment?
It was SCGB chat: "Skiing steeps: binding settings".
So, do people have theirs checked? I never have.
Once a shop returned my skis to me after a service with the settings reduced to 3 (they both came off at the first fast turn). But at least you can look at the setting. If it doesn't mean anything much the situation is more serious. |
I had this happen to mine when they were left in a shop while I took out demo skis, not even serviced, I expect they were having a laugh although may have been extreme litigation consciousness.
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