Poster: A snowHead
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Thanks for all the comments everyone. He hasn't objected to wearing a helmet - I just don't think it's really occurred to him in the last few years and I haven't raised the subject with him yet. It's just that as his Mum I seem to be getting more and more anxious as I see him getting ever faster and more adventurous and it seems sensible (and therefore potentially probably a bit uncool!!) to think about wearing a helmet on our next trip. It's really good to hear other peoples opinions - I think I'll get him to read and digest! Thanks, Loatie
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loatie wrote: |
(and therefore potentially probably a bit uncool!!) |
That's becoming less of an issue where I ski. It seems that more of the cool kids are wearing helmets; racers, park rats, etc.
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loatie, most extreme sportspeople wear helmets, just look at the videos.
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all i can says if you break a leg or arm you still have the other whilst it heels up, but remember you only have one head and if you break that your dead or end up a cabbage, so where a helmet i always do and im taking my daughter awya to canada for her first time on the slopes and ive bought her a helmet...... so remember only one head
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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never used to wear on i was like the rest ' you look daft' brigade, but how would you look with a big hole and lots of stiches in your head like the 2 snowboarders in Andorra that crashed into each other last season, never ski without it now!!
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I wear a helmet, dad didn't even have to ask me too.
And i'll second what rob@rar says, it's becoming pretty cool(ish) to wear one. Just makes you look hardcore.
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Spikyhedgehog, do you have holes for your spines?
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Unfortunately I don't, makes it quite uncomfortable.
Ruins my clothes as well.
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Always wear a helmet. Madness not to.
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I don't and won't wear one. I don't ski fast and hard enough to consider it necessary.
BTW for those who do like to wear helmets, have you considered wearing a back brace? in terms of damage from an impact with another skier, or a bad fall, the risk to your back is probably greater than the risk to your head.
Does anyone have stats for cranial injuries vs spinal injuries when skiing? Does it make sense to wear head protection but not back protection? Where do you draw the line?
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Funnily enough.. last season I was skiing off-piste quite fast and hit a rock and fell on my back, for a second I couldn't move and ended up being winded. Still.. not going to wear a back brace... why? I don't know, I would want some freedom while skiing and manouervability and helmets don't limit this. Way I see it is, break your head... you're done. Break your back, there's still some hope, even if it's small.
Also, the people who are wearing helmets are probably intermediate-advanced and have the ability to dodge a rogue skier or snowboarder. Only risk I could see if if you do cliff jumps, otherwise your back SHOULD be able to sustain the pressure no?
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I broke my back falling off a horse when I was about 20, I've worn a back protector in the saddle ever since - I hadn't considered wearing one for skiing though - I don't think I go fast enough
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You know it makes sense.
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You'd be surprised at how fast you can go... I did a speed trap once and topped off at 80KM/h with somewhat old carving skies, taking that as a comparison i reckon i do around 50-60 on the slopes maybe bit more at times.
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Poster: A snowHead
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AxsMan wrote: |
I don't and won't wear one. I don't ski fast and hard enough to consider it necessary.
BTW for those who do like to wear helmets, have you considered wearing a back brace? in terms of damage from an impact with another skier, or a bad fall, the risk to your back is probably greater than the risk to your head.
Does anyone have stats for cranial injuries vs spinal injuries when skiing? Does it make sense to wear head protection but not back protection? Where do you draw the line? |
I'm with AxsMan in his logic, though not the conclusion. I feel the masses' faith in helmet is somewhat mis-placed.
Speaking of backbrace, many snowboarders do wear them! Especially in the park. There're back protectors that don't restrict the movement of the body. Given how many layers of clothing we're wearing anyway, it's equally unintrusive as a helmet.
But peeps are not saying "you're an idiot if you don't get a back brace". Not yet.
Last edited by Poster: A snowHead on Mon 17-09-07 17:39; edited 1 time in total
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My brother fell off his board this year and used his head as a brake. Result - convulsions/fitting whilst unconscious, bleed in the brain, straight into hosptal and accompanied by a doctor on the flight back. His helmet (purchased that morning) saved is life. Blood wagon people said so, paramedics said so, surgeons said so.
'nuff said. Hope he is ok now.
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Exactly. I would summise it's only a question of time until our friendly insurers say "no lid, no cover" which to be fair will only encourage safety on the slopes.
At the end of the day few would go mountain biking, horseriding,skateboarding,kayaking and many other sports without a helmet.
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letitsnow wrote: |
Exactly. I would summise it's only a question of time until our friendly insurers say "no lid, no cover" which to be fair will only encourage safety on the slopes. |
Actually I think that it will be quite some time before that happens.
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Kramer wrote: |
letitsnow wrote: |
Exactly. I would summise it's only a question of time until our friendly insurers say "no lid, no cover" which to be fair will only encourage safety on the slopes. |
Actually I think that it will be quite some time before that happens. |
And if and when it does I will (grudgingly) wear one. But until then .....
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letitsnow wrote:
Exactly. I would summise it's only a question of time until our friendly insurers say "no lid, no cover" which to be fair will only encourage safety on the slopes.
Actually I think that it will be quite some time before that happens.
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I'll trust your word.
If insurers see a means of less claims and safer slopes surely they'll give it some thought?
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letitsnow, But like the policies that exclude 'off-piste' and hence leave the skier who strays 1 foot outside of the piste markers uncovered, policies that required a helmet to be worn might not be popular with all skiers and hence might not sell so well.
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Insurance companies are a slippery lot, so they will probably try to use a contributory negligence stance to avoid, or reduce, payouts before stating explicitly that no lid / no cover applies.
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Actually I think that they'll want to see a stronger level of medical evidence that helmets save lives, and don't contribute significantly to spinal injuries before they try and make it compulsory.
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Kramer wrote: |
Actually I think that they'll want to see a stronger level of medical evidence that helmets save lives, and don't contribute significantly to spinal injuries before they try and make it compulsory. |
Excellent point.
Hey I'm all for wearng anything that makes you feel safer/warmer/more comfortable while skiing. Each to their own and all that. I just think it's a bit extreme to label people 'idiots' or 'mad' for choosing not to wear a helmet. At worst us non-wearers MAY be increasing the risk to ourselves, but we certainly aren't hurting anyone else. It is also possible that (as with horse riding helmets) there can be accidents where the added weight of the ski helmet INCREASES the damage to the neck during a fall - possibly even fatally. That's not my reason for not wearing one, I just don't think they are necessary for my style of skiing, but, like which run to take, and which to avoid, it is a considered decision on my part, not a moment of madness
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but we certainly aren't hurting anyone else.
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Unless something terrible befalls the mountain rescue teams whilst they have a harder job scraping us off the mountain with our more severe head injuries
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Hmmm I'll start wearing a back protector when I get adventurous in the park. But thats not yet, and a helmet will do for now
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I ended up getting a mild concussion from falling on my head. Mentioned this earlier, but I did have a helmet on it was just on too tight and that worsened it. Still... I wear helmets as considering the stuff I try to do and do it would just be daft not to. Skiing down a small couloir without a helmet is asking for trouble.
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You know it makes sense.
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I bought my helmet for style first, safety second....but now don't know what I did without it. I left it in the hotel one afternoon to work on the nursery slopes with a beginner....and spent the whole time paranoid about catching an edge or being hit from uphill.
But it definitely makes me less aware of the space around my head. Having never hit my head skiing before, whilst wearing a lid i've whacked my head on chairlift bars, T-bars, the edges of my skis whilst carrying, doorways, etc.
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JimiHendrix, see your point about hitting your head, but in the case of T bars and chairlift bars I rather thought it was because it made my head even bigger...
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Poster: A snowHead
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Actually I think that they'll want to see a stronger level of medical evidence that helmets save lives, and don't contribute significantly to spinal injuries before they try and make it compulsory.
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Motocyclists do not have to wear back protection on the road. Many choose to do so i think if you want to be completely safe.
i I use back and head protection not only for what i am doing but also to protect myself from other people out of control around me.
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AxsMan OK, piste patrollers it is, and no - haven't been rescued myself or known anyone that has.
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Man those skidoos... If you drift them you're a goner! One wrong move and that skidoo is doing three 50ft summersaults, not a pretty sight.... Not... a pretty sight at all.
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Megamum, No worries, and as I said, I have no argument with anyone choosing to wear a helmet, I just think it's OTT to call anyone who doesn't 'mad' (not that YOU did).
For a skier like me (who doesn't do the fast and furious stuff) I would think the risk of injury is similar to that of a football or rugby player running round a crowded pitch (neither of whom wear helmets, (apart from the softy septics )), i.e. collision with other bodies, or an awkward fall. My thought is that a back protector would probably help me survive such a collision better than a helmet, particularly in the case where another skier (or more likely boarder* ) ran into me.
(not that I wear a spine protector either - I rely on a generous layer of subcutaneous padding to save me from such impacts )
BTW what about the case of the helmetted skier who hits another skier head first causing more damage to them than they would have with their unarmoured bonce? Assault with a deadly helmet anyone? (ooh err missus, down Scarpa )
*Just kidding boarders , two of my kids board and I know there as many out of control fools on planks as there are on trays.
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I'm actually looking for a back protector now. If I'm spending 5 months in resort, I might want one at some point, and it works out much more cost-effective to get one here....
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Last year my 13 year old son was skiing in a group on the piste when an out of control adult came onto the piste from the side and cut him up. He crashed into another of the group's chest and onto another's feet (kids all ski close together!!) and sustained concussion, two broken teeth, a broken nose and cracked his helmet. Later that day the adults in the party who previously hadn't worn helmets went off and hired them!
AxsMan, He cracked two of his mate's ribs with his helmet!
It should be upto the individual but I now wear one.
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AxsMan, They don't ski so close together now!
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