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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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jbob, Tener in the post.
But seriously, it was Mr Trap's kind of post that put the wind in my sails to start using this forum in the first instance, this kind of bad experience or mis-information does nobody; Manufacturer, Retailer, but most importantly the paying Customer any good. We(My Bootfitting Collegues), play with plastic, it's tollerances and shapes. IMO, every boot need some kind of customisation, to be the right fit (this is not an excuse for filling up the spaces with an expensive foam liner, in exchange for misinterpreting shell shape. You know who you are! ), but about sculpting the shell shape and accomodating any foot abnomalies with a foot bed.. This work requires, expertise, patientce and a heavy workshop.
Rightly, Mr Trap has a point, there are bad Bootfitters, even those whom are heralded as great, have to suffer the occasional 'Morning after the Apres Ski before' syndrome, but in truth you must find a good one, someone you can communicate with, someone with a passion for solving problems. Whether that be; Me, NZK, LZK, CEM, Lockwoods (Lee, Andy, John) Profeet or any other you can mention, these kind of skills are important to your enjoyment of your Sport/Pastime/Holiday.
We are a special bread, some may say arrogant, some stuborn, some hungry but beware, Bootfitting is the new Buzzword in the ski industry, every man and his dog are employing anyone who fancies a reputation and writing 'Bootfitting' across their windows. But i guess that might be better than just rubbishing our profession in it's entirety and then using you delete key rather than the customery, apology. 
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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> "rather than the customery, apology"
Apologise... For what ?
I have every right to disagree with some of your quotes...
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> "every boot need some kind of customisation, to be the right fit"
Which isn't true. If you get the right boot in the first place then there is often no need for customisation.
However it appear your are infact using this forum for free advertising ?
Doug.
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6 billion pairs feet on the planet not one pair the same, around 60 different boot shapes, i need help with the maths.
What am i advertising? I'm promoting a profession, one it seems you have no need for. Your earlier, edited posts, suggested people like me were useless and a waste of time, i tried to defend that with my experience. I can't help you understand your ignorance further, sorry. 
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My brain hurts... Haggis_Trap, I don't know SZK, and don't think I will ever be in his shop as I have no plans to go to cham. I don't think he is advertising - and note that he also mentions profeet - who I don't think he is linked to. I might make it to CEM or Lockwoods some time to find replacement boots for the Technica ones sold to me by some div in S&R, which now work reasonably well having had major remedial bootfitting therapy on two continents. I wish I'd done it right the first time (and have said that for the previous 3 pairs of boots I bought  )
I am a tight fisted git looking for a deal, but it seems to me that unless you are contractually bound by your sponsor to wear one make of boot, going to buy ski boots with a preconception about the Brand, let alone the Model you want is almost as stupid as buying them off ebay because the colour is cool. You find someone you trust, who will look you in the eye, and you trust their opinion, because (numpties doing Saturday jobs in S&R aside) it is their reputation on the line, and word-of-mouth counts. It is the only area of ski gear where I would not look for a cheap deal.
SMALLZOOKEEPER, breathe deeply, think about your calm place, go and have a drink. 
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Arno, but why should you have to preserve a post in this way, it shouldn't be required
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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cathy, fair point but someone else changing what was said is a slightly different point to someone editing their own post beyond all recognition
on another site i go to it is quite common practice to quote stupid.embarassing posts for the sake of preservation but we're more civil (and moderated) round here 
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You know it makes sense.
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I have only suggested that people try on several different brands of ski boots.
And that customization isn't always necessary.
Seem more than reasonable advice.
However obviously SZK and co. have a commercial agenda to convince you otherwise...
Doug.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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| Haggis_Trap wrote: |
I have only suggested that people try on several different brands of ski boots.
And that customization isn't always necessary.
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why didn't you say that in the first place?
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Poster: A snowHead
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| Haggis_Trap wrote: |
I have only suggested that people try on several different brands of ski boots.
And that customization isn't always necessary.
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That's not what I thought you'd said in your first few (unedited) posts. Sounded to me that you were saying a good bootfitter is unnecessary, all you need to do is trawl around until you fit the perfect boot off the shelf.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Haggis_Trap, from my view point I wouldn't presume to know what boot would be best for my foot. I would leave it to the professional boot-fitter, such as those who frequent this forum, to suggest one or two models which might be suitable for my foot & level of skiing and for them to take it from there. There would be little point in me just trying several different 'brands' of ski boots.
My boots themselves aren't customised but I do have molded insoles, done at profeet, and a whole load more supportive than the ones I got done at EB.
Who's to remember what Haggis_Trap said in the first place - its changed so many times!
Arno, indeed and fair point!
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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In my experience a really good bootfitter spent 5 minutes just looking and feeling my feet (worth the admission fee alone ) and then suggested 2 different makes to try on. After this he told me which I preferred and why. I was stunned by his knowledge and after that he had my total confidence. The resulting boots were my best ever ski related buy, by a bus ride.
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> why didn't you say that in the first place?
I did - please ask admin to bring back the un-edited version if your that worried.
Then dry your eyes and get on with it.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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| Frosty the Snowman wrote: |
| Last edited by Frosty The Snowman on Thu Sep 13, 2007 11;30am; edited 3204 times in total |
You're a very naughty boy!
/Monty Python voice
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Haggis_Trap,
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However obviously SZK and co. have a commercial agenda to convince you otherwise...
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Commercally it's better for me to let you come to the shop, try on "Several Brands" and let you chose which one fits. What doesn't work is spending on average 3 hours with each client, carefully selecting a tight fitting shoe and then staying here all night and reshaping it for free, in my own time. 
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I would agree with Haggis_Trap, that
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I dont think everyone needs an expert boot fitter.
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for a casual skier doing a week every couple years then hire boots make sense. Next step up is to buy some boots in a shop and if you are lucky they will feel comfortable and you will love them.
HOWEVER IMHO, although comfy they will not be fulfilling their full potantial as aids to improved skiing. The "feel" derived from a well made custom footbed and the adjustments made by a bootfitter are just too valuable for a "real skier"  to ignore
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SMZK - I have no doubt that your doing an excellent job, for people who want / require / or need custom fitted ski boots.
So lets just agree to disagree on some small points - and leave it at that.
For everyones sanity.
I am sure there is plenty more interesting things to discuss...
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Haggis_Trap, sorry, but how can i be on a commercial adgenda of any sort, I don't work for any shop, just have access to the stock rooms of several that i can send my clients to to get boots, they can then have the options of
salomon, head, nordica, atomic,lange,fischer,daleboot, rossignol, dolomite [if they really want them] and dalbello if they are willing to travel. I do not care what make of boot my clients ski in so long as it is the right boot for them.
you have come on here and changed your mind so many times about what you said, what you ment to have said and what you actually mean, how can we take your point of view seriously.
as SMALLZOOKEEPER, has said you can walk in and pick any boot you like, you are in the minority who has comfortable boots off the shelf, although i wouldn't mind betting that they may be a size or so too big for you.
please do not think any of us are in this to make a million, it is a hard enough job to do without people saying it is a waste of time, we work all hours, at present i am working 7 days a week to cover weekends and evenings when my clinets can get to me..... besides you never know if you will break an ankle and need surgery or if diabetes will cause you to loose a part of your foot at some point in your life, at that time you may very well need the services of a boot fitter just so that you can enjoy your sport again.
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| Haggis_Trap wrote: |
SMZK - I have no doubt that your doing an excellent job, for people who want / require / or need custom fitted ski boots.
So lets just agree to disagree on some small points - and leave it at that.
For everyones sanity.
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Well no! You've opened a can o'worms. started a material debate. presented a shoulder monkey of prejudice and you have to live with that (and join us many members of the snwHeads 'tit of the week' club . . . just be grateful that that many sHs have the attention span of a flatulent goldfish and on the whole are quite forgiving of gross stupidity )
There is a commercial aspect to bootfitting and given the price of skiboots that should be part of the purchase price and if we individuals are lucky enough to not need that service there should be a discount but it also perfectly clear that a majority of skiers benefit from having their boots fitted in the same way that many suffer unnecessary discomfort by not. The brand of boot has a role to play in that only in the sense that they all make boot shapes to suit the skiing purpose between race and recreation.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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CEM, End of!
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Isn't the most important thing about a ski boot is that the colour matches your outfit?
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Spyderman, you better buy a new red jacket then {and make it a bright red one, with white on}
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You know it makes sense.
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CEM, Have you two been giving each other Head? 
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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CEM, Already got one, red & white Spyder jacket.
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Poster: A snowHead
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CEM, Don't Technica make a red & white boot?
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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SMALLZOOKEEPER, oh matron 
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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SO..............
Are there any good bootfitters in the North of England?
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| Mosha Marc wrote: |
SO..............
Are there any good bootfitters in the North of England? |
Yep in Bicester 
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ickabodblue, CEM is Scottish, but he lives in Bicester.
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| Spyderman wrote: |
| CEM, Don't Technica make a red & white boot? |
I used to have Tecnica boots. They were orange and fitted me rally well.
Strangely enough, my new boots are green, and they fit me even better.
Is this normal?
Yours sincerely,
Confused of Cirencester.
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cathy,
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My boots themselves aren't customised but I do have molded insoles, done at profeet
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I had been thinking of trailing up to Bicester to get the fit of my boots checked out, but this is SO much closer. Thanks for the recommendation - which I had already noted but not acknowledged. (Sorry, CEM, I really would like to have my feet manipulated by you or Cutie, but New Kings Road is a helluva lot closer for me.)
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I was distressed to discover, after I had bought my black Lange boots three years ago (or was it four?) that they also come in navy blue - which would have matched my now eight or nine year old fartbag. (Gear junkies, please note.) BTW, I'm told I look quite cool in my gear (for a pixie.)
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Wear The Fox Hat, It is not the nationality I'm bothered about it is the distance ! ! ! I can't nip out to Bicester on a Friday afternoon
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FAQ
) so in most cases our footwear becomes shaped to our feet the skiboot ftter's role is to take an inert piece of plastic and provide a shape that emulates years of use into a product that we rarely wear for more than a couple of weeks.
