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brian
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rungsp, I don't know much about solar cycles (although the good thing is that since we clearly are on the cusp of a new one, we'll know definitively within a few years if there's anything in it or not) but what I do know is that "global warming" on its own can not possibly be used to explain last year's poor ski season. Conversely, good conditions this year do not provide any meaningful evidence to debunk its existence. The observed warming so far is less than 1 degree celsius. Maybe enough to shift the average snowline 100m up the hill but that's about all.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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rungsp,
Great article....Enjoyed reading that! 
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Interesting article
Personally I don't think humans alone have caused gloabl warming, as changes to the climate have been recorded and shown for millions of years. That said we could do with smartening our act up.
Right - off to buy a 4*4 
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brian
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Boris, get a move on will you. If we don't get our emissions up quickly it'll be polar bears on the Thames, I'm telling you. 
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| brian wrote: |
| The observed warming so far is less than 1 degree celsius. Maybe enough to shift the average snowline 100m up the hill but that's about all. |
In London maybe but the observed warming over the last 100 years in the Alps is of the order of 1.5 to 2C.
We have still had a warm start to this season, which is why most of the snow on the Jura (height 1600m) has melted now. It is hardly a bumper start to the season below 2000m.
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All joking asside the problem for me with the global warming issue is the puritanical venom it is being pushed with. I certainly do not trust a lot of the reports that are published because for me there are a lot of hidden agendas around. I do agree with reducing pollution and looking after our resources its basic good housekeeping after all, but dont get all evengelical with me that its going to stop global warming.
I would imagine with an issue like this that there are a lot fewer experts arround than people would have you beleive, its just the latest good cause to make the western masses alternate between feel good about doing something and feel guilty for being part of the problem. Just the latest in the line of good causes after third world famine, aids etc
Before anyone has a go at me I know that these are real and very big problems for those affected by them but I feal they have been hijacked by the western guilt industry. A lot of people shouting about it, very few doing anything about it. Sorry rambleing again.
If global warming is such a big issue for the UK shouldnt we be pouring every available resource into alternative energy methods like wind,wave and nuclear or any other that I am not aware of.
davidof, interested to hear what you are saying about alpine temps, could you point me towards a site that a layman would understand. Not questioning youre post at all but genuinly interested.
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brian
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davidof, I've no idea about London. I'm talking about global average temp.
Gilberts Fridge, I think we should be doing that anyway, esp. tidal power and fuel cells, oil is getting a tad pricy and won't last forever.
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| Gilberts Fridge wrote: |
davidof, interested to hear what you are saying about alpine temps, could you point me towards a site that a layman would understand. Not questioning youre post at all but genuinly interested. |
I read it on the Swiss Weather Service website
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| La température sur la Terre s'est réchauffée d'environ 0.6 °C au cours du XXe siècle [1]. En Suisse, le réchauffement des températures fut nettement plus marqué. Au Nord des Alpes, le réchauffement fut compris entre 1.3 °C (en Suisse alémanique) et 1.6 °C (en Suisse romande) |
The figure for the south of the Alps is +1C.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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| brian wrote: |
davidof, I've no idea about London. I'm talking about global average temp.
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Most of the planet is water so it won't be shifting the snow line anywhere useful.
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brian
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davidof, no indeed, your figures above are a tad more useful, I must admit.
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rungsp, Thanks for posting that, very thought provoking 
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You know it makes sense.
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Most of the planet is water so it won't be shifting the snow line anywhere useful.
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Unless it all freezes
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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brian, Spent a lot of the last year in Copenhagen, there are off shore wind farms every where, they produce I have read 35% of their electricity from wind power and want to increase this to 50.
One of the world leaders in wave technology is a Scottish firm, forget the name but they are involved with building the worlds biggest wave farms in Portugal. TBH I would not be against new nuclear plants if it was funded properly but that is where the problem is. Got a mate on the maintenance side at Torness and while he says its safe he does get hacked off about the constant pressure to reduce cost and getting beaten up by managment over any small issues. If I ran the world Id ensure that critical maintenance staff like that were a happy well motivated bunch.
Have also felt that if we produce alternatives it may help in reducing the middle east tensions as well but that may be a too simplistic viewpoint on that issue.
davidof, thanks for the pointer an evening with the Swiss weather service awaits.
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Poster: A snowHead
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| davidof wrote: |
| brian wrote: |
| The observed warming so far is less than 1 degree celsius. Maybe enough to shift the average snowline 100m up the hill but that's about all. |
In London maybe but the observed warming over the last 100 years in the Alps is of the order of 1.5 to 2C.
We have still had a warm start to this season, which is why most of the snow on the Jura (height 1600m) has melted now. It is hardly a bumper start to the season below 2000m. |
Many of the austrian resorts reporting 100 - 200cm of snow don't even stretch as high as 2000m. Not very scientific but I check a GFS chart most days for an area near bad gastein and i'd say the forecast temps are around average for the last month I've been looking.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Yes, that was a good article. I like to read stuff that I can sort of agree with. I'm so not sure about the Global Warming thing. I am certain that what ever truth there is in it has been hi-jacked and ise being used to tax us, control our habits and keep us in a state of uncertainty. Much like some other global threats . . . So yes, that article makes me feel better. I shall now go and put my patio heater on and leave the 4x4 running on the drive just to help us through the coming Ice Age.
When I was at school in the 70s everyone said we were heading for an Ice Age and I don't think they were talking about the movie.
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| Boris wrote: |
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Most of the planet is water so it won't be shifting the snow line anywhere useful.
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Unless it all freezes |
Did you see the Horizon snowball earth programme?
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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| johnnyh wrote: |
| ise being used to tax us, control our habits and keep us in a state of uncertainty. |
Don't bring Ise into this  .
Surely people who buy 4x4s already pay a huge amount for their motoring?
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