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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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You don't need ISTD/BASI 1/French National Equivalence to nevertheless be the finest of skiers and instructors - remember also that he qualified in a totally different era, with no intention of teaching in France.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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I too have found his DVDs useful reminders but no substitute for face to face teaching. Very simple explanations. I am not sure I find his skiing style terribly attractive, but I am also sure he would hate mine.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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| monster77 wrote: |
| What and mention a certain person who has spent many hours skiing with WS but doesn't show any sign of improvement. |
Oi! I'm doing my best y'know. 
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| Linds wrote: |
I really dont really care what his qualifications are ...........
I think it's sad if somebody has a grudge or whatever against the guy to stir up stuff like this rather than go and say it to his face |
Agreed, though I could not work out what TGR was saying anyway, It all went over my head.
The only caveat about Warren Smith courses is you will not be doing everything you see in the video. You will be doing warm up and warm down every day and you will be doing a lot of bracage (however it is spelt).
I would have liked to have skied a far greater area of Verbier, having paid for the lift pass.
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I think that it's been established conclusively that this is an alias on the basis that the first post says he operates out of "Verbier, France". I wouldn't read too much into it other than the fact that WS is clearly well enough known to be seen as a target for a send-up like this. Maybe this suggests he is doing something right!
This post probably sums up the motivations of whoever started the thread:
http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1326558&postcount=63
The Harald Harb thread was actually quite funny and directed at someone more worthy of being lampooned that WS IMO
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I think it's sad if somebody has a grudge or whatever against the guy to stir up stuff like this rather than go and say it to his face
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hey, it's the internet! 
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I just find it quite odd that no-one who has actually skiied with Warren seems to write and slag him off, most of the feedback is similar to Linds above. He also seems to get a lot of repeat and referral business. Perhaps this tells you more than anything else?
Oh and BTW for those of you still wondering  it wasn't Warren who posted it on TGR, he didn't know about when I spoke to him this morning. I think his promotional abilities are a bit better than that!
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Latchigo, I was with Linds in Verbier earlier this year too, although I wasn't in Warrens group either.
We spent the first two days on the runs, the rest off them.
Over the four days of the course we were taked off the front side of Mont Fort (to the right of the black run as you ski down) many times as a sort of warm up, down Tortin (sadly no bumps as it was powder ), lapped Stairway, down Col Des Mines, and also down many of the "no name" in between piste areas that provide bumps and/or powder depending on the snow.
It was plenty for me as I was pretty knackered doing that lot. Looking at a map, I suppose we didn't ski around the area too much, but we didn't spend too much time getting around on lifts either.
I thought it was well worth it.
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You know it makes sense.
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Mosha Marc, Well you both seem to have covered more ground than I did. Yes, that is important to me. 'Great British piste basher' mind set and proud of it. If the runs were to be limited, the way I see it, I would have been better off on the same course, at a smaller resort, with a cheaper lift pass. 'Skinflint mind set' and proud of it
Even though I missed the last day through injury, another Snowhead in my group was on here to advise that Friday was more of the same - bracage (with kick-off from the warm up spot, at the usual time, presumably).
By the way, you probably mean five days of the course - not four.
Having said that, I enjoyed the course for what it was. I just wish we had done more.
At least I have an idea what they are on about on Epic ski, with A frame stances and such like. I still try to avoid reading about the technical aspects of skiing though. A DVD or personal instruction is far better.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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| BGA wrote: |
I just find it quite odd that no-one who has actually skiied with Warren seems to write and slag him off, most of the feedback is similar to Linds above. He also seems to get a lot of repeat and referral business. Perhaps this tells you more than anything else?
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Not referring to Warren, but I can think of another instructor who would say exactly the same, but his disciples, sorry, worshippers, no, I mean "students" all come back saying the same things, and will talk about how bad the rest of the world's ski instructors are.
It doesn't make him a good instructor, it doesn't make him a person I'd want to meet, but he has got an interesting marketing method which is based around making himself look different and convincing others that he is better. Pure marketing, very little substance.
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Poster: A snowHead
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| easiski wrote: |
.....Pity he (Warren Smith) doesn't teach his students to hold their edges on a traverse!  |
easiski Having done a number of weeks with Warren that statement is simply untrue. And if one of his students has told you that then they simply weren't listening.
Last edited by Poster: A snowHead on Tue 26-06-07 17:43; edited 1 time in total
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Wear The Fox Hat, Tai Chi skier ?
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Latchigo, no, HaHa
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| spyderjon wrote: |
| easiski wrote: |
| .....Pity he (Warren Smith) doesn't teach his students to hold their edges on a traverse! |
easiski Having done a number of weeks with Warren that statement is simply untrue. And if one of his students has told you that then they simply weren't listening. |
We did not do any traverses when I was there. If we had I am sure we would have got the appropriate advice.
So you could both be right.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Wear The Fox Hat, Highway Star ? At least he would be cheap.
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I just had a face to face meeting with Warren Smith. As I suspected, He most certainly did not post that thread on 'Teton'. His Lawyers are trying to deal with it with Teton. This is maliciously impersonating Warren, to his detriment.
I knew that Warren was qualified as an ISIA in Austria, but can now also confirm that he holds a 2007 IVSI licence, because I've seen it. The reason it is not on the SSE & SSS websites, is because it is issued by Snowsports Wales. (perhaps that's why he was making it vague).
I have known Warren since 1991 & have skied with him.
In speaking to Warren, this thread, because it is in the public part of the Forum, is causing Warren severe problems, as it comes up when WS is Googled. To avoid further problems for Warren could one of the mods please move it to a member only section of the forum, so it will not appear when Googled, alternatively the thread should be pulled.
I have raised points about Warren in the past I thought were valid to be raised, but resent the inferrence by some that I instigated the Teton post or have said anything malicious about WS.
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| Spyderman wrote: |
In speaking to Warren, this thread, because it is in the public part of the Forum, is causing Warren severe problems, as it comes up when WS is Googled. To avoid further problems for Warren could one of the mods please move it to a member only section of the forum, so it will not appear when Googled, alternatively the thread should be pulled.
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Epic has a members only section, but not Snowheads - unless I am missing something.
Maybe there is a members only section, but you have to get invited like the Freemasons.
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| Latchigo wrote: |
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Epic has a members only section, but not Snowheads - unless I am missing something.
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| Wear The Fox Hat wrote: |
Not referring to Warren, but I can think of another instructor who would say exactly the same, but his disciples, sorry, worshippers, no, I mean "students" all come back saying the same things, and will talk about how bad the rest of the world's ski instructors are.
It doesn't make him a good instructor, it doesn't make him a person I'd want to meet, but he has got an interesting marketing method which is based around making himself look different and convincing others that he is better. Pure marketing, very little substance. |
Foxy, I know you say you're not referring to Warren but I certainly wouldn't put Warren into the HH category as he is certainly not promoting a particular method etc.
As to substance, I've done a couple of weeks with Warren prior to going to ESA 06 (with Martin Bell) & have done a week since. In the middle of that I've also had a couple of privates with Easiski. Whilst the individual's personalities differed, the 'message/method' from all three instructors was basically identical & seemless - which is interesting as some suggest that being Austrian, PSIA & BASI qualified would mean that they would each teach a particular & differing method from each.
Yes Warren is pretty good at marketing but then so is Weems. Perhaps good skiing & good instruction is simply that - good!
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Latchigo, Like comprex, says, BzK probably best or pull it all together.
BTW, you have to ask to join the Freemasons, you don't get invited.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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Spyderman, Freemasons is against my religion anyway 
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Arno,
And in English 
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Spyderman,
Indeed. I know I'm a pedant, but that lingo is truly something else again.
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You know it makes sense.
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| Spyderman wrote: |
| ...In speaking to Warren, this thread, because it is in the public part of the Forum, is causing Warren severe problems, as it comes up when WS is Googled. To avoid further problems for Warren could one of the mods please move it to a member only section of the forum, so it will not appear when Googled, alternatively the thread should be pulled... |
clearly, the ultimate decision is up to the Mods/Admin, but I am not sure why SHs should agree to this. Even assuming this thread was overwhelmingly negative about WS, so long as it doesn't slip into defamation, I'd say it should stand. SHs should not agree to hide negative feedback given in good faith just because it gives the subject of that feedback problems
As it is, this thread is pretty balanced. In fact, the most negative posts are probably yours, Spyderman, so maybe some editing is in order rather than dumping this somewhere away from public eyes 
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Hurtle, You have to be aware that TGR posts are usually written in American dude-speak.
I have just got to grips with terms like 'rain cheque' and 'sidewalk'.
'Stoke' is a term too far.
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Poster: A snowHead
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Latchigo,
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American dude-speak
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Yup, I think I worked that out! 
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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| Hurtle wrote: |
Spyderman,
Indeed. I know I'm a pedant, but that lingo is truly something else again. |
And yet it beats any emoticon ever invented for precision of context and emphasis, readability, quoteability, and immunity to deliberate misquoting and misuse.
Is it the emoticon pushers that really need to clean up their writing?
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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so we have bowed to WS's reported concern about this thread. will we do this every time something negative is written about a business?
edit: hang on a minute - wasn't this just on Apres? I'm confused 
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| Arno wrote: |
| so we have bowed to WS's reported concern about this thread. will we do this every time something negative is written about a business? |
It is still in the 'Piste' section where it could be googled.
Are you anticipating it being moved ? There is a good case for it being in the 'Bend ze knees' section anyway.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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comprex, Gosh, high praise indeed, a bit too high in my view. I like words (fairly obviously) and try to choose them carefully, but I also enjoy emoticons - they're fun and really no crime. They also have the useful function, especially the wink perhaps, of lightening a remark that could otherwise be deemed offensive.
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| Latchigo wrote: |
Hurtle, You have to be aware that TGR posts are usually written in American dude-speak.
I have just got to grips with terms like 'rain cheque' and 'sidewalk'.
'Stoke' is a term too far. |
It's "rain check" not "rain cheque", I'm afraid.
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Latchigo,
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There is a good case for it being in the 'Bend ze knees' section anyway
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Indeed. But what is the logic behind holding that section away from 'public' view?
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| Hurtle wrote: |
Latchigo,
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There is a good case for it being in the 'Bend ze knees' section anyway
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Indeed. But what is the logic behind holding that section away from 'public' view? |
Check out the equivalent in epicski.com, you'll understand.
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Arno,
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so we have bowed to WS's reported concern about this thread. will we do this every time something negative is written about a business?
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The reason I think it should be moved or pulled, is that by Googling WS, it links snowHeads to an obvious illegal & malicious thread on Teton. Not because I have a particular concern about someones business interests. I don't think this thread in itself has done anything to harm WS, in fact most is to the good.
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abc, Can't be bothered. Maybe someone else will answer my question.
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