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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Did you mean to say it IS part of "core"?  |
You bet it is:
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The rectus femoris is the only muscle in the quadriceps group that is involved in hip flexion, since it is the only one that originates in the pelvis and not the femur.
The rectus femoris is a weaker hip flexor when the knee is extended because it is already shortened and thus suffers from active insufficiency. In essence: the action of raising a straightened leg will recruit more iliacus, psoas major, tensor fasciae latae, and the remaining hip flexors than it will the rectus femoris. |
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Hi Comprex - are you ever on Epic these days?
I'm afraid all this is making me feel guilty. When it comes to exercising I'm very lazy. I walk some weekends during the rest of the year but nothing else. I generally intend to start exercising in October (to ski late January) but actually usually end up starting a month later. Chiefly I bike up Highgate Hill every day - starting with once and building up to 3 times. After a while I throw in a few exercises. I am almost 59 so I know I should do more.
I rather rely on good technique - but most of the people I ski with have that too. If I were skiing on piste it would be OK since it doesn't take much energy, but we ski almost entirely off piste and even with good technique breakable crust is hard work! I got away with it when I was younger but skiing generally 8 or 9 day holidays I have found the last few years that around the 6th day I had a day when I felt tired from the start and skied badly.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Chiefly I bike up Highgate hill every day - starting with once and building up to 3 times.
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That sounds rather boring, especially the 3 times part. 
Couldn't you find some more places to ride so you're more motivated to ride more often and year round?
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Yes, it is boring and that is the problem. But a gym is boring too.
Well sometimes I bike up Hampstead Hill. But generally, being in London the traffic is a problem. Cycling on the flat I would have to spend much longer to do much good. I often do it late in the evening when the traffic dies down and go on back roads.
As for the year round thing - I should probably cycle to my studio when I don't have to transport anything - it takes about 40 mins but is mostly on the flat.
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snowball, hello, and, yes, though I really shouldn't.
Quite right about the boredom bit. Without a strong avocation to the cross-training activity, it is truly stifling to spend even one macrocycle of 12-16 weeks without reward let alone more. Fortunately, I like all the things that I do in the off season and the only conflict is in March and April when the skiing is tapering off and I stay with it instead of jumping onto new things. Yes, it's tricky to find an avocation to fill -second- place. Yet it is vital, or guilt kills enthusiasm even if indirectly.
PS there are games one can play on the flat, but they're really only rewarding to cycling geeks.
PPS IMHO the logical continuation to this thread is over in the Hips Knees Ankles thread here:
http://snowheads.com/ski-forum/viewtopic.php?t=26405
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I imagine it would be much more enjoyable cycling with someone else especially in the country.
PS just saw your PM.
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all this chat and folk still wont bother doing any real training 
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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graeme, Yep, but it does make me think I should do some 
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Kramer, yeah eleven months where you could dramatically improve your fitness levels.
boredsurfin, well go out and do some....lol
abc, not sure what your confused about????
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You know it makes sense.
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graeme, eleven months where I have dramatically improved my fitness level. Just making the point that not everyone won't bother doing any real training.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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graeme, You surely can't have missed Kramer's accounts of his prodigious achievements!
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Poster: A snowHead
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abc, not sure what your confused about????
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Who are those "folks" who "won't bother doing any real training" you're talking about?
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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the folk who in december january who will be asking the question, can i get fit in a couple of weeks, or the folk who say they dont do much training at all, and rely on good technique. or maybe the folk who say they dont have enough time to train, yet still find time to check out a website
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Training before skiing isn't a duty, its a trade-off: How much of doing what you don't like is it worth doing to get a little more out of what you do like.
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Since a long time posting, as this is quite entertaining now...
I maintain that it DOES matter how well-conditioned you are. Because of good physical condition, an average skier is capable of covering from more technical mistakes than otherwise and therefore reducing the stress that particularly your legs are bound to have. Clearly lessons are crucial, but if one's physical shape is crap, no technique will enable you ski nicely a full week.
Here's a non-ski spec weights programme straight out of mill for multisport use. Three times weights and two more CV excercises / week. Do the whole body on one go, have two sets of programmes so that in two weeks you have done both weight programmes for three times. Try to make compound movements and large muscle groups as they will also put heart to work a bit more
Weights 1:
Legs:
squat warmup 3*10 and then 4*10 full squats
leg extensions 3*12
leg curls 3*12
Chest:
Bench press 4*10
Back:
Chins or pull-down 3*10
Good morning/roman bench 4*10
Shoulders:
Military press 3*10
Lateral raise 2*10
Arms:
bicep curl bar 3*10
tricep push down 3*10
Abs:
full ab session (10 mins) leg raises, crunches, obliques crunches etc.
Weights 2:
Legs:
Leg press 3*12 warm up, 4*25 proper sets
lunges 3*20 for both legs
calf raises 3*20
Back:
deadlift 4*12
roman chair 4*15
chins 4*as much as you can
Chest:
incline bench press 4*12
Shoulders:
flyes lying down 3*12
Arms:
cable curls 3*10
tricep kick-backs 4*10
Abs as on day 1
This is not going to take a lot of time at all. Maximum rest between sets 45-60 seconds. Adjust weights so that you are almost at exhaustion at the end. The second day is more reps with lower weights just to add some variety.
Anyone can make a decent programme, it's not difficult, but actually motivating and easier to follow than just going to gym and doing something vague. A ski specific programme which you can start in November should help with the rest! In six weeks you'll already notice a difference and it will give you a better shape also for the beach. So, no excuses anymore!
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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| if one's physical shape is crap, no technique will enable you ski nicely a full week. |
I disagree. I could ski reds and blues all day every day without pushing myself at all. I'd be tired at the end of the day, but not to a level that it would affect my skiing. What I wouldn't be able to do is push myself.
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abc, not sure what your confused about????
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Who are those "folks" who "won't bother doing any real training" you're talking about? |
Well, me for one. I just have fun in the off season.
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But I do know this part: "the folk who say they dont have enough time to train, yet still find time to check out a website" is checking out this website FROM WORK! So unless they can skip WORK to train, the time they spend on web browsing has nothing to do with time available for train.
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and you will be able to back that up then with facts/proof then?? or is this just a guess on your behalf??
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But I do know this part: "the folk who say they dont have enough time to train, yet still find time to check out a website" is checking out this website FROM WORK! So unless they can skip WORK to train, the time they spend on web browsing has nothing to do with time available for train.
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and you will be able to back that up then with facts/proof then?? or is this just a guess on your behalf?? |
It's an "educated" guess. I'm willing to bet on it.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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ok so not factual then
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Well, those who're NOT working, please speak up!
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Up!!
I'm sat on my ar$e eating pizza, reading  and chatting on MSN.
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