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David@traxvax, I have the annual financial report in front of me and there is no mention of financial contributions made to Snowsport GB. Therefore I conclude - as I did earlier in the day and stated as much - that there has been none.

Nadenoodlee, it's changed.

Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?

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Oh, is that my only response Gerry? Sad

I was hoping for some light-hearted banter Wink

So come on, how long have you been a rep for? And have you also been on Council at some stage? I'm just curious because you do seem to be so knowledgeable.

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PG, this is what we want to find out. Impossible to judge before we do.

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Cathy - I think that its Gerry's aspiration to be on Council very soon!

Hmmmm, wonder what Gerry said Shocked

Presumably you read it hibernia, or can you repeat it Gerry?

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Cathy, I wouldn't waste your time if I was you wink

I can just imagine though the "conversation" on the SCGB "forum" ...............

"Good grief, Patricia. Those god-awful snowheads people are talking about us again. Have they simply nothing better to do!?!". "It's quite putting me off my sherry don't you know."

DON'T WASTE YOUR TIME BECAUSE THEY DON'T CARE! the devotion to their actions is getting embarassing. (rant ends)

Sheesh! rolling eyes

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I believe that irony is something deliberate so this thread perhaps does not really count as such, but I would remind you Philip Prior that you started this thread with the words

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Point taken, Alan Craggs, I'll leave you to it. Wink

Alan, a couple of points:

1 Your final words "....or perhaps are considering becoming members." I'd like to feel that all snowHeads are considering doing most things within the bounds of legality. One gets the impression that many snowHeads are considering, or have considered, joining the SCGB, so their comments are worthwhile.

2 The Club's mission statement from the early 1990s is to be "the spokesbody [sic] of British skiers". Whether this means bicycle wheel is a matter of debate, but skiers have a right to speak about an organisation that seeks to speak for them.

You know it makes sense.

David Goldsmith, well of course I would not wish to deny anybody the right to speak about anything - skiers or not! Another result of late night après whisky posting Embarassed

I would however hope that the debate could run along constructive lines - perhaps like PG's questioning of the Club's role in Snowsport GB on another thread - rather than on unfounded allegation etc.

Of course, if the Club had an open forum it would not be necessary to "imagine" what is being said there.... Blush

(and yes Gerry, I know that folk can pay to find out what's there if they wish... rolling eyes

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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:

For the record the "imaginative line" was meant to be tongue firmly in cheek (I though it would read out as obviously that). I always think there is a place for humour even in serious discussions (after all this is snowheads not....somewhere else, eh?). Sorry if it was misunderstood.

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Oh dear am I turning German now? Laughing

There is indeed a place for a sense of humour in (almost) all things I would hope Philip. But some people just don't seem to have one (or at least employ it selectively)...... Wink

And yes, this is snowHeads - it is an open forum for which we are all thankful. My concern is to keep it that way, bearing in mind the "reasons" so far advanced for closure of the Club open forum and discussions on litigation etc which have taken place elsewhere.

It's obvious, for example, that many people (including me!) feel free to take "pot shots" at the likes of Blair and Bush. In the way of things it is unlikely that these "targets" will respond in any way at all, but smaller fish may well take umbrage at things which are posted in this type of arena - see the "Newspaper forum" thread for instance.

Still, maybe I shouldn't have ten fingers of malt before I post next time! snowHead

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Gerry, still doesnt appeal to me at all

Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?

Well I think I can understand that Nadenoodlee Razz

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Nade believe me Gerry isnt the ski club and up to now if he where i think he'd be there on his own and still arguing Laughing

there are a few of us trying to steer the club away from the snobby image it has and make it what it should be a great skiing club for everyone all silver spoons either removed or pushed right in Razz

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I've just been reduced to a line of dots & a comma Sad

(Gerry's post of 8.43 yesterday). It must have been bad NehNeh

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you naughty girl cathy Razz

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Nothing wrong with 10 fingers of the old gold watch, Alan. Keep up the good work!

I luv the stuff! Just gonna tuck into a rather large glass of 10 yr old Macallan.

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Cheers Philip! Eh oh!

Gerry, any luck with finding out more about the SCGB's real contribution to Snowsport GB?

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I read that one of GB's brightest young stars, Ed Drake, has been sponsored by SCGB for the last four years and that they are continuing their sponsorship of Ed this season.

http://www.lsersa.org/races04/misc/ed2004.htm

No indication of what the sponsorship actually entails, but it's certainly a step in the right direction. Hopefully a future SnowHeads will be looking at a similar gesture! Does wonders for image. In the meatime, I refer you to the little picture at the bottom of each page for our current, extremely deserving, sponsoree Wink

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PG is quite right on pretty much every point - the SCGB retains a percentage of votes at BSSF {Snowsport GB} agms as a result of the evolution of british Snowsport. For a number of years before the formation of the NSFGB the club was the governing body.

It simportant to separate sponsorship and membership. As with others I can't find any reference to the club's being a sponsor of the fed {and in fact I d be interested to know what if any contribution they make to the organisation}. They may well sponsor individual athletes - but in that case they are sponsoring British skiERS as opposed to British skiING.

So the club is a member of 'the fed' {more formally Snowsport GB}. However it's a pretty insignificant one. In terms of power the lions share of agm and egm votes goes to the home nations. the balance to a dogs breakfast of other interest groups; BASI, the Club, Combined Services Wintersports Assoc, BARSC etc.

If you want chapter and verse the figures are;

English Ski Council (trading as Snowsports England) 25
Scottish National Ski Council (renamed Snowsports Scotland) 25
Ski Council of Wales (trading as Snowsports Wales) 15
Northern Ireland Ski Council (trading as Snowsports Northern Ireland) 10
Combined Services Winter Sports Association 6
Athletes 6
Ski Club of Great Britain 3
British Alpine Racing Ski Clubs 2
British Association of Ski Instructors 2
British Snowboard Association 6

In terms of votes for elections to the board the home nations only plus BARSC and CSWSA are the only voting members - power is in the hands of those involved in excellence {in a sporting sense}.

The inclusion of the SCGB as a member group {albiet a very minor one was a political fudge {or to take into account the club's historical role if you're more charitable}. Without giving an extensive lesson in the governanace of skiing in the UK the current consitution of the 'fed was designed to ensure the preeminence of those involved in the delivery of competitive skiing/skiers. The remaining bodies were left in there because it was more hassle than it was worth to go the final mile and remove them.

Perhaps someone from the Club could tell us its contribution to Snowsport GB - as opposed to individual skiers {and of course if any individual skiers are sponsored the basis for their selection.....

Finally PG rightly says;

''I am actively involved in raising funds for various associations, including a couple of ski clubs. I sourced one official current sponsor of Snowsport GB. Should I be on various committees then, on behalf of mostly armchair sports fans, telling the athletes and trainers how they should be running their sport? ''

No of course not - the delivery is the responsibility of the professional staff. Though, and this is a separate point in the recent past one significant sponsor ofn the fed did impose an 'official' on the organisation..... ''X must be elected unanimously and unopposed or i shall pull my spondorshop'' so not everyone out there has the same ideas.

Many thanks for your comprehensive reply, arnold lunn.

(PS - I have PMed you separately....)

You know it makes sense.

PG - thanks for the message. I shall have a wee look about

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