 Poster: A snowHead
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Was out on my new Monster 72s recently.
Was carving up some of the long blue glacier runs in Solden. I only seem to be able to perform long carving turns on these skis.
Anyone know if this is a characteristic of these skis or is it just my technique? 
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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To quote Roger the super canadian instructor when I complained about being made to ski tree runs on GS skis....
"versatile skiers can ski any run on any skis"
so yeah - if your technique is good enough you can do it... some skis just are built to make some stuff easier
but then these guys have been skiing since they could walk.....so maybe they are just being mean to me 
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if you buy a ferrari are you only able to drive at 100mph+ ?
if you buy a range rover are you unable to drive on "b" roads and only off road?
sure some skis are better suited to different terrain and conditions, and i wouldn't choose to ski a iM72 in a slalom race, but i would certainly still be able to ski them in a slalom racecourse!
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GordonFreeman, I managed to crank out some short turns a couple of weeks ago on a pair of Dynastar 8800's. They've a turning circle of about half a light year IIRC, so it can be done - but you do have to work it a bit; bigger angles and more energy/speed getting your body moving about.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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GordonFreeman, i havent tried the monster 72s but i dont think they are very different from my monster 70s which seem ok on shorter turns as well as long ones
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I guess I probbaly need to be taught short carving. I'm fine just putting it into a carve and going from left to right. I can also change direction from left to right quickly but this is not what I call short turns.
Seems to me that short turns have an aggressive short crunch/scrape sound when the edge is against the snow. I suppose you are leaning much more ?
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i'm no expert but to achieve shorter carved turns i think you have to steer the skis round using a fair bit of pressure and not just let them take their natural carve shape......
hopefully someone with more knowledge will be along shortly to give you a proper answer!
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Short turns usually lower speed so more angulation required to stay balanced - get that angulation of the hip and knee going and more weight on outside ski and you will be able to turn it in a much shorter radius. And rather than moving the body over the skis to change directio, keep the body down the fall line and move the skis under the body as you change direction. Again, I'm certainly no expert - merely saying what works for me. There's a big difference between long carved turns and short turns.
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Short radius turns are fine on IM72s. Their sidecut radius is only 15.5 m. I find them perfect for medium radius carving and still pretty strong on both short and long radius turns. Perhaps you just need a bit more time to get used to them. What was your previous ski?
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It isn't the ski.... and it isn't a wide ski by any def. These things should turn on a sixpence.
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I need to work on my short turns then !
Any recommended exercises?
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Agree with JT and uktrailmonster, once I got used to my 78mm waisted planks I could turn them nearly as efficiently as my slalom thingies. Loads of angle and you'll shred anything  I've skied on the M82's and found them fairly stiff and more suited to long turns but they're an extra 10mm wide...
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The part I don't get yet is how you can create loads of angle at low speed.
Surely the largest angle you coulkd possibly create is leaning right out over your ski with your outside hand touching the ground.
At high speed, you could create more of an angle as you are leaning more and maybe even touching the snow with your inside hand if you were going that fast.
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You know it makes sense.
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| The part I don't get yet is how you can create loads of angle at low speed. |
Stand with feet more apart. Now get your hip to move side-to-side wider than your feet.
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Surely the largest angle you coulkd possibly create is leaning right out over your ski with your outside hand touching the ground.
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Inside hand.
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GordonFreeman, It's a very high end skill to be able to properly carve short radius turns. Most people 'scarve' ie there's an element of steering/skidding for direction & speed control by pivotting the skis. Watch a WC slalom race & you'll see plenty of steering at initiation. Buy the 'Skier's Edge by Ron LeMaster to see superb photo analysis & instruction.
Carving is great fun but does have limited applications due to the speed created. Being able to properly pivot/steer/skid the skis is probably a more useful skill to have than carving ability otherwise steeps, bumps & powder skiing is going to get pretty hairy!
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Poster: A snowHead
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GordonFreeman,
Short swings or jumps...........old school, but gets you out of heaps. And you find a lot of good new school just can't do them.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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spyerdjon: Thanks, I'll have a read. I do agree that at my level I can only really carve effectively on medium slope terrain (basically blue slopes). It's more skidding turns on the steeps.
comprex: By outside hand, I was referring to the teapot exercise discussed in http://snowheads.com/ski-forum/viewtopic.php?t=24179&highlight=
So, ouside hand goes by knee or foot. Inside hand touches the snow. Biggest angle you can get ?
However, I see how with the feet wider apart but thighs still parallel it could increase.
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