 Poster: A snowHead
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I've just watched Bell come down the Lauberhorn, heaven knows how he managed it carrying a camcorder and adding a running commentary as he came down. He went far faster than the boarder too.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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I think the amazing thing was his top speed of about 126 kph with camera, one pole and normal gear, when the top racers clocked about 144 kph.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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That is one very scary run. I can't wait to try it! 
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It was very good but the need snow ASAP
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Someone on here will know - I've watched the ski racing for years, but have never known: when they go over a jump on a course do they go faster if they spend longer in the air and end up further down the course, or faster if they land quicker and cover more ground on their ski's, also what goes faster and why, ski's or snowboards?
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Megamum,
Faster with skis in contact with snow..they will try and squash the jumps.
Although in practice, they often have a little competition on who can get best air time.
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Easier to hold a tuck on snow than in the air.
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Cheers guys, I knew this was the place to ask - just one of those things that has knocked round in my brain for years.
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| Megamum wrote: |
| I've just watched Bell come down the Lauberhorn, heaven knows how he managed it carrying a camcorder and adding a running commentary as he came down. He went far faster than the boarder too. |
ah but the boarder probably stopped for a spliff. 
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An incredible run, the view down from the top of that jump was awesome
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kosciosco, it's even better when you do the run yourself, though it has to be said an awful lot of people chicken out and try to sideslip on both the hundschopf and zielschuss
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Both are skiable....you just have to go for it!!
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Can non-pro racers have a go on it then? one or two of you sound like you are talking from personal experience?
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You know it makes sense.
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it's a normal piste for the rest of the season.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Megamum, once the race has been run, for the rest of the season it is "just a normal piste". So yes, anyone can have a go......but at more genteel speeds
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Poster: A snowHead
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Elizabeth B, Mmm....think I might leave it a few more years yet!!
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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There are several sections of the course that are easy.....and other bits that aren't!!
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Megamum, Most of it is no problem at low speed, its the jump and the finish area that can be a problem at any speed
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I am curious about the speed in a jump vs speed on snow thing; I believe that staying on the snow is faster, because everyone says it is (it's what I've always heard), and it's relatively easily to find out empirically. However, I'm puzzled that a skier is faster when there is ski/snow friction than when there isn't; there's always air resistance. Is it because the aerial route is longer or because speed is lost on the landing, because it's at an unfavourable angle, or for some other reason?
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richmond, When you are in the air the skis slow you down, like a air brake
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Look at the aerodynamics of body position for a start, it's not very often you see a flying skier in a full tuck.
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When they're doing the actual ski jumping they tend to flatten out, but I guess this to increase the time they spend in the air, rather than for speed - almost as though they try to turn into an aerofoil. I suppose the racers need to maintain some sort of tuck in the air so that when they touch down they are still in a position to go fast straight away. richmond, Yes, your argument was at the root of my question too.
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Megamum,
Very few are capable of skiing a World cup run. The speeds are too quick, the forces too great in the turns and you couldn't get more than a few hundred mtrs down if you tried to straight line it. Recreational skiers main concern would be how do I slow down, whereas racers concern is where I can be faster than the other guy.
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When I was working there and we were preparing the course, one Kiwi instructor thought it wasn't that bad. He hid at the top until everyone had gone and then tried it (the fences had been put up by then). Well he eventually walked into the Eiger at around 21.00 completely (literally) green. He frighened himself so badly that he couldn't walk back up from Inner Wengen (it was too late for the lift). It took him more than 2 hours!! He wasn't a bad skier either, but he never slagged off downhillers again. 
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Is anyone in wengen at the moment? i'm going next saturday, and was hpoing to have an accurate description of the snow depths and conditions, is it possible so ski down to grund? from the tv shots it all looks like the last few days of spring. 
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alan price, welcome to snowHeads 
If you go to the resorts section, there is a thread called Jungfrau ski region. That gets updated mast days by one of our Wengen snowHeads
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alan price,
I'm in Engelberg with some other next week, just around the corner on the map, the temps could do with being lower but otherwise it looks not too bad from the Cams. And as most of the skiing is above 2000m I think that will be ok... it's only the 4 o' clock run that might be a problem..
One good thing about Wengen, its North facing and pasture, I think.
RE, World Cup run, I've sneaked onto the OK course after a Europa race. This is considered a wimpy GS type course by racers. Went so fast from the starting hut, I couldn't stop so took an almighty wipe-out. I'd be better equipped to stop now but I'd leave well alone.
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You know it makes sense.
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easiski, Is it the ice on these courses that make them so difficult? There were lots of wipe outs yesterday, when you see that you appreciate the difficulty.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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I think Bell's heart rate was over 180bpm at one point
I thought the race with the train at the start was pretty good - must have scraped the skis and board a fair bit though.
Last edited by Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name: on Mon 15-01-07 15:12; edited 1 time in total
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Poster: A snowHead
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Has anyone got a video of it that they can post up? I 'aven't seen it!
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Hayls, I wonder was his heart rate high from fear or exertion?
I liked the way Bell managed to cross the railway line at the end, I think some of the locals weren't sure what was going on.
It was funny when Ed Leigh (is that his name?) went down the downhill track, just shows what a challenge it is when he didn't fancy it at all.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Mind you although it looked good, he did get flipping close to the train at some points - looked a bit too dangerous (proximity wise) in places. B.t.w. I'm only kidding about skiing it in a few years - me, I don't ever expect to get off 'Blue'!!
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I took friends of mine onto parts of the Lauberhorn run at the end of their first ever full days skiing on snow, but the conditions were excellent and we did not go onto the harder sections of the course, I did so because nominally the whole race track is a black run and I wanted them to have gone down an easy black to boost their confidence when I later took them onto harder reds, it worked as well
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Racing the train was a farce......you'd have to be very slow for the train to beat you!!
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looked a bit like the 'top gear' challenges that they do, they always just arrive within moments of each other.... coincidence?
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| petemillis wrote: |
| Has anyone got a video of it that they can post up? I 'aven't seen it! |
Just recorded it off my Sky+ for you, but it's a 72Mb MPEG file, not sure how long that'll take me to upload 
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Elizabeth B, when due to avalanches several years ago they made a mini piste and a temporary platform at a location near the smelly cowshed below the site of the cafe oberland I found myself getting the train up from the village then getting off and beating it back down to the station, the hardest thing was was getting the skis off and running down from the end of the piste at the Caprice hotel to the station 
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That was one of the best races i've seen in ages. About 4 skiers crossed the finish line on their backs
We went to see the Hannenkahmm last year in Kitzbuhel and tried to ski the run a few days after the race. I have total respect for what those guys n gals can do. My next race has to be the Lauberhorn.
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Does any one know where i can get a copy of the film as i missed it on sunday?? sounds like it was a good show
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FAQ
but I'd done most of the sections in previous years, the exception was a short stretch from just above wengeneralp station to the top of the bumps lift, this used to be part of the sledge run and so was rarely skiable, now however they've changed the sledge route so that you can do the whole of the race track.
