 Poster: A snowHead
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On Thursday evening I went to the ski maintenence demo in S&R at Chertsey. 2 hours excellent tuition (hands on) and it was free. A big thanks to S&R. Next is the Thursday before Xmas but you need to phone and put your name down.
But the real point of this post is that during the eveing I mentioned that I am having trouble elininating my tail skids when carving. The tutor suggested it might be my boots that need adjusting (cant or cuff) or that my bindings were mounted incorrectly - I presume he meant too far forward or back (I didn't ask).
What are your thoughts ?
Mike
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mike.healy, on the boot front, if the foot is not secure on a good footbed and the cuff not aligned to your lower leg then control thoughout the turn will be comprimized in some way, not sure what he ment about bindings...could be fore/aft but more likely to be boots and or technique causing this problem
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Technique ?
Last edited by Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see? on Sat 2-12-06 23:17; edited 1 time in total
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Nah, it must be the boots or the bindings....
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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By the way, I'm a lightweight (75Kgs) on a 174cm Rossi B2, maybe I'm not flexing them enough ?
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mike.healy, could be that, my money would be on the boots first[ then again that is what i do all day] 
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| mike.healy wrote: |
| Technique ? |
correct
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I think that's your answer (in all seriousness).
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veeeight, Please tell me you're not being serious (in all seriousness)
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Whatever else people may have against B2s, IMO they're fairly straightforward to carve on.
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Angulate more
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You know it makes sense.
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The Rossignol UK importers have told me "Having spoken to both the rossignol retail trainers, and the rossignol brand manager for the U.K i now have the following information. B2's in 166 would be better suited for your use."
I tried B2's at Xscape before I bought mine but I think I tried 166's.
Now I don't know what to do - maybe hire shorter ones is resort but we are probably going to Bansko and I haven't seen B2's in the shops there.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Um, once you've got your boots sorted out, then make sure you complete the turns.
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Poster: A snowHead
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How tall.. ? 174 isn't a big ski to turn. Boots may have an affect but as long as you aren't really short then the skis should be ok.
You may also need to really accentutate what you do, which in a way, could be a good thing. You will have to nail the technique for good.
Washing out on your turns is a consequence of the tails coming round too quick, so your edges have released. If you mean to do this, then this is a good thing, its only a problem when you don't want to do it so stay in the turn longer... lenghten the turn shape
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B2's are not famously stiff - if you have decent technique you should be able to bend 174s alright. How easily can you get onto your outide ski big toe edge? If that's a problem then your canting is badly off and needs fixing. I suspect Ghost has it right though -try what feels like "excessive" angulation and see what happens.
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I'd guess your weight was too far back at the end of the turn. Nowt like it for washing out the tails.
Try a lesson, or just have a coach look at a couple of your runs, before splashing out on kit.
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| marc gledhill wrote: |
| weight was too far back at the end of the turn. |
...or, even more likely if you originally learned on old straight skis, or with an old school instructor, too much pressure on the front of the boot/ski. Most likely though is just tensing up when facing down the fall line, trying to overturn the skis, overpressuring the ski generally and completing the turn too fast.
Equipment may make the problem less or more pronounced, but the basic problem will be technique. As marc gledhill says, fix that and stop worrying about kit (unless you're trying to get B2s to hold an edge on glacier ice - clue...you won't).
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There are many possible reasons for this, including equipment mis-match, equipment mis-fit, and technique. With technique, there are many reasons that this could happen, from the small and subtle to the grand and glorious. Unfortunately, without observing your skiing and your stance in your equipment, it's all but impossible to determine what the issue could be.
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I agree entirely with iblair. Technique is far more important than kit. A good skier can carve turns using any old crap. The B2s are not going to be the problem. Boots may have an influence if they're a long way off, so it won't hurt to get them checked.
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yep I agree with iblair too
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Well, if it's an equipment issue, I'll go back to what I've said before:
A properly fitted pair of boots will make a bigger difference to your skiing than any other piece of equipment.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Whats your definition of 'Carve'
I would suggest;
2 clean lines in the snow
No excessive pressure anywhere in the turn i.e manage the pressure
Clean edge to edge change i.e no skid at the beginning of the turn
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| stewart woodward wrote: |
Whats your definition of 'Carve'
I would suggest;
2 clean lines in the snow
No excessive pressure anywhere in the turn i.e manage the pressure
Clean edge to edge change i.e no skid at the beginning of the turn
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So, in your opinion, "carve" means arc-to-arc skiing?
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You know it makes sense.
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Oh dear oh dear oh dear........... 
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Poster: A snowHead
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mike.healy, have a good lesson with a good instructor on snow. Nothing to do with kit.
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veeeight, OK, well maybe kit will make relatively easier or harder, but good technique will overcome any equipment issues, IMHO.
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David Murdoch, so will bad technique.
e.g. someone who can turn to the right easier than the left, and the instructor works on making stronger moves to get the left turns working, when maybe all they needed was to get their boots adjusted properly. Now, you might say that's not bad technique, but if that person then gets their boots sorted so they stand flat, etc, then they will need to unlearn their strong left turn to get it balanced, or learn a stronger right turn, again, to get things back into balance, imho.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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David Murdoch, In this case (splitting hairs)....those that can do whatever, can do it regardless (sort of) of the equipment they are using. Those that have not yet learned to do it, whatever that is, won't be able to learn without equipment that is suitable, but, once thay have, will be able to use more unsuitable equipment that when learning.
Does that make this any clearer ?
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ski, Did you use to write for Donald Rumsfeld.
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Sage, I was just thinking that!
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| Wear The Fox Hat wrote: |
| ...someone who can turn to the right easier than the left, and the instructor works on making stronger moves to get the left turns working, when maybe all they needed was to get their boots adjusted properly. Now, you might say that's not bad technique, but if that person then gets their boots sorted so they stand flat, etc, then they will need to unlearn their strong left turn to get it balanced, or learn a stronger right turn, again, to get things back into balance, imho. |
This is worth repeating.
The human body has a miraculous ability to compensate for all kinds of misalignments and out-of-balance situations. We also come in all shapes and sizes. As a result, anecdotal evidence from someone else ("These are the best boots!") invariably turn out to be false at least as often as they are true. This is especially true (IMO) for those who are trying to create a specific effect on-snow (like carving). What works for one person on their gear may not work for another on their gear. Someone using straight skis cannot carve as cleanly or as tightly as someone on dramatically shaped skis. And they will likely use very different technique to do it (although using the same skills).
As an anecdote, my tail wash for the past few years has been caused by an old habit with my hands. I tend to cross my hand in front of my body, look out over my shoulder down the hill, reach my hand downhill to plant/touch my pole. The result of all this is upper body rotation that becomes a big driver for my turns. Overrotation at the end of the turns causes my tails to wash. I didn't know this, since my edging skills are very good from my racing days, and in fact I told Weems that I thought I used edging as my primary mechanism for creating turns. He told me that he thought I primarily used rotation, which surprised me greatly!
Now, do I have the skills to link arc-to-arc turns? Yes. Have I done it? Yes. However, are there movements and habits that inhibit and possibly disturb this? Definitely.
My change in boots this year has also made a truly significant difference.
My point: it's impossible to tell without a skilled, objective observer.
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I know I wouldn't trade my hard earned skills for a new pair of boots 
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ssh, very interesting Mr Bond. I wonder if I do the same thing? Hmmm, must have a lesson this season or next.
I guess my point was really more (although clearly not expressed in any sort of clear fashion!) that my default position on "my tails wash out" would be that one is doing something wrong. And absolutely I would not suggest as a first idea that one's kit might need some form of adjustment - unless it is patently obvious that Mr Healy (I assume Mike isn't short for Michaela) has a gross physical stance/misalignment problem. Especially as (as I understand these things, to a very limited degree) boot "canting" adjusters as fitted really only act to align the shin for a comfort result.
WTFH does have a valid point, to the extent that someone with very good technique will adapt to whatever kit they're using. V8 has a point in that I really shouldn't generalise quite so strongly. But I will stick to my guns to the point that someone with very good technique will adapt to whatever kit they're using.
Ergo,
mike.healy, I would reasonably confidently expect that an adjustment to technique will work better than new skis.
NOOOOOOOOO! What have I said????
Sorry, correction, NEW SKIS ARE ALWAYS THE BEST IDEA!!!!
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