 Poster: A snowHead
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Q for CEM and the various zookeepers (and anyone else who wants to chime in)
On the green/blue Superfeet off-the-shelf products, the front portion of the footbed is pretty flat.
Years ago, when I had Full Korks made, the fitter took care to flatten out the front portion after moulding.
However, whenever I pull out footbeds out of various clients boots, I see conform'able custom footbeds that vary from flat at the front, to a deep impression of the 1st met head.
Q: For the majority of people, on a custom conform'able, should the front portion be flattish, or have a deep impression of the BoF/1st met head? And is this the same for Kork Vac, & Full Kork ?
I have a horrible feeling the answer is going to involve the dreaded varus, possibly the metatarsal arch debate too...........
Other sH's..... what do the front of your footbeds look like? Flat? or deep impressions? 
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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veeeight, can't check mine, but I just had them done at the PSB, and I'm pretty sure they have impressions of my toes.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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veeeight, shallow impressions
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It will depend upon the fitter, mine, across the Mets tend to be pronounced to support what shape there is across the met heads. This helps distribute pressure more as nature intended, the foot when in neutral being a tripod. It will of course depend on the foot and , again the fitter.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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veeeight, I have bee encouraged recently by a pair of orthotics i made for a client with Met' issues. I sent him to a local podiatrist and he returend with a pair for his dress shoes that were degree perfect to those i made for his touring boots, we all get one right in every million eh! 
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veeeight, i think the SMALLZOOKEEPER has summed it up, it depends on the fitter, the foot and the product that is being used. when i build a a product like the Superfeet full kork i will mould detressions for the toes anf this forms sulcus [gap between toes & ball of foot] support.
i will apologise now as this is going to get techy.....before anyone comments!! 
as for the forefoot varus forefoot valgus debate. this i have found to be a debate which forms an argument across the world, the interesting bit is where you do your biomechanics training...east coast of the states sees a lot of varus whereas west coast sees more valgus, this is nothing to do with the different foot types across the states ...it is more down to the training / examination techniques.
my training was both east and west coast  what i see is very many more forefoot valgus than forefoot varus feet, those that are varus tend to be a compensated varus, the compensation being coming from muscle tension further up the leg [ generally gastro-soleus complex]
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the 5th is way up in the air, like they have been left on a radiator to dry.....
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is seen and the rearfoot of the product is produced to heel vertical [and the product is properly made] then it could be a noteable forefoot valgus or indeed a plantar flexed first ray. the other reason this could be present is as you suggested the fitter has jamed the foot into an extreme windlass position and adducted the foot more than is required.
just to pose a question back, regarding the metatarsal arch debate, i was recently given this to think about.....
is it that the metatarsal head has dropped or is it that the others are raised??? i ask this as the person who posed the question to me [ a very highly respected & qualified bootfiter and C.Ped] made the comment that how far can the metatarsal head drop?? it sits on the ground [ it can not sit below ground level unless we create a depression...which has the same effect as the other metatarals being raised]
just thought i would drop that one in
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CEM, Thanks for the reply, much appreciated.
Re the dropped (1st) head, could the fitter taking the moulding on the squishy conform'able machine have got the client to artificially press down on the BoF? thereby creating a false lower depression?
The reason behind this curiosity is that I'm getting a little tired of fishing out clients footbeds (their pride and joy) which look like limp lettuces, no heel cups, met arches that are in the wrong place for their foot, arches that are too high etc. - and they get a little concerned that I'm suggesting that they ought to get another footbed made......... and they tell me that the bed is brand new cos they just had it made at the ski show......
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The only time in a lot of skiing that my boots have not hurt across my forefoot was when Hamish at Profeet London installed metatarsal arch supports on my Kork Pros.
Sadly they've now fallen out. Sadly (2) I have not had time to visit chez SZK. Though I really like the Mammut suit in the window (blue and orange heavier weight one).
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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David Murdoch, if you arer excessively loadinbg the metatarsal heads then applying a pad behind them to spread the load is the correct thing to do...do you have a nerve neuroma?
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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CEM, I have no idea but I am about to go get myself another Corona. Which seems to rhyme.
And I'm about to try my first Swiss kebab. You may never hear from me again.
"I'll only be gone a short while"...
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David Murdoch, I have the said Mammut Clothing for test! Available only to clients and SNOWHEADS!
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You know it makes sense.
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SMALLZOOKEEPER, we may pass though next weekend. I have to 1. meet you and 2. introduce my employees to you. I imagine they will want to meet you more that t'other way round but hopefully they'll have heaps of eager guests wanting to spend money with you.
CEM, the kebab from the kebab man in Thonex is not what I was looking for and unfortunately had a strange sauce. Which is now repeating on me. Unlike his kebabs which I will not be trying again.
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