 Poster: A snowHead
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I'm just wondering why people make all this fuss about turning when you're skiing. After all the most efficient way down the mountain is straight with as few turns as possible, hence you get more skiing done in a set period of time, and so get more out of your holiday.
In addition, when you turn across the fall line, your legs are fighting gravity, and centripetal force, whereas by just going straight they are doing much less work, and so lead to better endurance, hence not only do you get more skiing done in a set period of time, you're also able to ski for a longer period of time for any given level of fitness, and so get more out of your holiday.
Basically what I'm saying is that if you want your skiing to progress exponentially, forget all this turning nonsense and just go straight. It's what I've been doing for years.  
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Excellent advice, Kramer. When do you think you'll be publishing the book and accompanying DVD (available at an additional cost)? I can't wait to finally ditch that Warren Smith stuff for "Kramerology: The Science of Skiing".
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Kramer, I am sure the mountains will be a much safer place for your advice
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If anyone has some pictures of people just going straight, then I could talk us through the finer points of the technique.
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Kramer, So how many gates did you miss out in THAT race 
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Kramer, The technique stars at the bottom of the hill, by picking the children out of your beard and teeth.
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Kramer, Dead right. Higher speeds = more friction = more wax
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brian
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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| pielot wrote: |
| ...... I was told that red boots are fastest - what do you think!...... |
Tcch, everyone knows that orange boots are the fastest 
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Would it not be quicker to just ditch the ski's totally and just jump from the top. Reduces the friction even more if your not in contact with the mountain.
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brian
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Thinking about this, I remember a day sometime in the mid-80s on Cairngorm. Howling gale force winds and absolutely impenetrable concrete sheet ice of the type I've only experienced in Scotland. The overhead was actually quite clear though. We spent the afternoon doing laps of the Ciste t-bar (normally a fairly dull beginner run you'd only ski on the way to better places) as the wind was pretty much blowing straight downhill. Probably the fastest I've ever been on skis, despite the lack of gradient. We had to leave several hundred yards stopping distance though
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Poster: A snowHead
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brian,
I remember a day in the 80's in Cairngorm with exactly the opposite problem you had to tuck and point straight downhill to move the wind was blowing so hard uphill. They were refunding lift passes even though they were keeping a few lifts open.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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| Floppy the Snotman wrote: |
| Kramer, So how many gates did you miss out in THAT race |
I didn't miss a single one. The trick is to believe that they're all in a straight line, rather than worrying about turning to get through them.
Last edited by Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person on Wed 15-11-06 14:47; edited 1 time in total
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Kramer, Sounds like a snowboarding technique - no unnecessary turns
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In this environmentally sensitive world we live in, it'd be even better without lifts. Skiing straight with bungy cords is the way to go.
PS Planning a skiing holiday is half the fun. Plan two, have just as much fun but save yourself a fortune.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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DB, You might like to join our Serac Pulling Club.
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Very true -
For anyone who has seen the new TGR flick Anomaly there are some great early sequences from guys straightshooting some fairly hairball chutes (to be fair there probably isn't room to turn in a lot of them). So mark of a true playa is the straightline.
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brian, that's exactly what I'm talking about. Not a wasted movement. 
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Why do I turn?
Two simple answers:
1. Because I want to go over there.
2. Because I can.
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ssh, usually something stops me.
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Found this exchange between Dominique Perret and Micah Black in an article on Outside magazine's webpage:
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"To turn is to admit defeat," Perret grins. "Going straight on long skis is like sixth gear in a sports car, going faster but with lower RPMs. I like putting it into the sixth. If you want to be passionate, let it be from the hairs to the toes."
"I totally agree with your theory of the ski," Black says, echoing Perret's Swiss-English diction. "I, too, wish to put it into the sixth. Too often American ski movies are about taking jibbers into the backcountry. All they want to do is build a cheese-wedge kicker and pull grabs. They're one-trick ponies." |
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Arno, respectfully, I think they are talking garbage - what's the difference between a one trick pony who does jumps, and a one trick pony who just straight lines it?
Going straight is fun. Jumps are fun. Turning is fun. Just doing one, to me, isn't.
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Wear The Fox Hat, i think there is a hint of irony in there
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You know it makes sense.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Which hairs does she mean then?
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Poster: A snowHead
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I went straight once... then Wear The Fox Hat got me trashed at the ESA! Baaaaad man.. baaaaad!!!!
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Yoda, this is not a waist steering discussion.
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I usually turn because the is a bar to my left or right. Is this wrong 
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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No. In fact, by the end of the week in resort, mine ususally turn on their own, towards the last bar on the way back to the chalet .
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The thrill in going straight is the sensation of speed, and a sense of power in that you can do it.
The thrill soon wains out, and you have to find bigger steeper hills and maybe backcountry and more suitable skis, which works for a while. However on these hills you soon discover that evil piste-designers muck things up for you by putting obstacles in the way and making the trails turn. Mother nature is also not so kind, eventually causing growth to sprout up on the old slide paths. Sometimes the fall-line turns. You have to follow the fall line when it turns, so you need to turn.
Further more, the more speed you can carry around that turn near the top, above the steep portion of the trail, the faster you will be going at the bottom of that steep. You discover that power is nothing without control. Mastering the turn gives you that control. Power is good, power with control is better. Soon the the focus becomes not how fast you can go, but how fast you can go around that corner next to that rock out-crop. Eventually it becomes how fast you can make any turn, and how much speed you can carry. Before you know it you are getting a charge out of skiing the fast line slow. A memory has just popped into my head, of me skiing back and forth using the whole 20 yards of trail behind a novice who was straight-lining a run with me a yard behind his tails at every pass. That was sweet.
Eventually the acceleration of a turn becomes more of a draw than the pull of gravity.
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Kramer, The problem is - people get in the way. Screaming blue murder at them sometimes gets them to move but that means at least someone needs to know how to turn to clear the way for you inconsiderate bas***d.
By all means go as straight as you can for your own fun, but better to be prepared to turn for someone else's benefit. Unless you like to be sued the poo-poo out of, of course when you mangle some kid. Actually, you go straight because you can't ski - right? Or do they only have straight mountains where you come from? Do you have to do that fancy turn where you lift your leg up and make your foot face backwards like a ballet dancer in order to get to the lift?
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Katski of Andorra,
To be honest the kids usually get out of your way when they see you coming and if they don't you can usually bomb through them fast enough that they can't catch you to sue you so there isn't really a problem 
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Kramer, you need to go skiing with the Beaumont teens, they don't turn much either.
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Kramer, I have just read your post out to them-'the guy's got sense' was the reply.
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