 Poster: A snowHead
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As an opposite thread to all the quiver discussions, does a one ski for all exist?
It would have to, IMHO and for me be able to
ski ice and hard packed piste at slow, moderate and fast speeds
Be able to muck around at slow speeds on greens and do little jumps etc with your kids
Work in the steep and deep
Handle chop, crud and slush
Fit into ski racks on gondolas 
Any thoughts?
Cheers,
Greg
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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K2 apache Recons work for me but im a fat B******D
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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I hope so, I'm still looking for it 
How about these contenders:-
Dynastar Legend 8000
Head IM 82
Nordica Hot Rod Nitrous
Fischer AMC 76
K2 Apache Recon
Volkl AC3
Atomic Metron M11 B5
I guess they would all do everything, but not to equal extents.
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The rossignol b2?
When i skiied on it it held ok on ice at various speeds, has a wee turned up tail for jumps and switch, is quite fat and fits into ski racks:)
Although I havnt skiied a lot of other skis for comparison.
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kitenski, all skis do that 
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kitenski, there are many skis that will do all of these well. The B5s are one. The RX8s another. The Nordica Hot Rod series and even the Mach 3. The K2 Apache series.
You just need to pick the edge-to-edge quickness and the float that you prefer based on the conditions you ski most often.
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a one ski does it all - that would be a monoski, I suppose
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kitenski, I'll keep looking and adding to my multi-ski quiver ass I go along merrily looking for the perfect ski 
I must say, my primary ski last year was the Metron B5 and it did nearly everything I wanted. I, However, didn't like it at all in the bumps.
Now I have a bump specific ski, but I think the Metron will still be my main ski this year, unless someone wants to buy it, then I'll go shopping for a snoop Daddy!
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Drop the ski rack criteria & buy something the size of a Seth. You can always ensure the edges are sharp for the ice bit and it would do everything else reasonably well - I think the true one-ski quiver works this way round not trying to get a heavy piste ski work off piste.
However thoughts on this are heavily influenced by where & what you ski.
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You know it makes sense.
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Snowhot - a bump specific ski, so are you going to go out one day and ski nowt but bumps all day long???
ssh - "You just need to pick the edge-to-edge quickness and the float that you prefer based on the conditions you ski most often."
i guess that is my problem, there is no such thing as "most often"
ie last year, I went on a boys weekend, off piste as much as we could get it, 2 days with a guide, one on our own. Tried to avoid pistes unless they got us somewhere!
Then a family holiday, last week of the season in Trois Vallees, my normal off piste buddies were under the weather, so very little off piste, but where we did was nice spring snow, or very heavy slush. In the same day that week I could be skiing with my 6 year old on a green, in amoungst the trees, then an off piste blast home, or down thru some moguls! So was sometimes skiing icy pistes in the morning that were 2 ft deep in thick heavy porridge by the end of the day!
Cheers,
Greg
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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fatbob - the ski rack thing was a bit tongue in cheek, I'd drop that to get all the rest! I currently ski a 1080 and have a pair of Fischer Slalom skis, I'm thinking of selling both in the hunt for the elusive one ski!
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Poster: A snowHead
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kitenski, it's not a conditions selection, it's a preference. Do you like quick edge-to-edge? Then go narrower. Do you like a little longer turns when you're on-edge? Then go longer radius.
BTW, I've also found that boots really change the performance of at least some skis. My B5s are quite different this year than they were last year (on Nordica Aggressors now, was on Tecnica XTs last year). They are much more precise on edge and much more powerful.
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Hmm, hadn't thought about it like that, I guess I'd take float and longer radius (long GS carving turns on piste) over shorter, but would still want the skis to do short turns when skiing tight colouirs or narrow tracks....
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My vote is for the Scott Santiago Mission. I realy realy realy realy liked this ski - slush, ice, indoors, and its wide.
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the skis tucked behind my bedroom door can do it all it's just a shame i can't 
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kitenski, tough one. Of those I've skied, the Legend 8000 does everything except ice, where it struggles quite a bit (copes fine with slush, bumps, steep'n'deep, nice and light so work well slow, crud just requires a strong leg), while the Volkl AC4s and Apache Outlaws probably do everything except slow as they're really quite heavy (and so the AC3s and Recons probably give a similar effect for the lighter amongst us). I would probably also go with the Scott Missions (light, very turny and plenty of float, hold a good edge), although I'm not sure I'd like to take them down a hard bumps run as they are really quite wide and very shaped, so you'd be skittering around the edges quite a bit. I really don't think you're going to be able to get a a single ski to make a fair stab at all of slalom, powder and bumps, but you may get any two of the three. Any supporters of the Aztec Pro here?
And not a real twin tip amongst them, so pretty much all of the above will go into a gondola rack (although the Outlaws may have a problem with sheer bulk).
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| kitenski wrote: |
| Hmm, hadn't thought about it like that, I guess I'd take float and longer radius (long GS carving turns on piste) over shorter, but would still want the skis to do short turns when skiing tight colouirs or narrow tracks.... |
Any ski can do tight turns if you're OK with pivoting them. In a steep, tight couloir, you'll likely be using a fair amount of steering to get the skis around quickly enough.
I'm thinking you might want to consider a Nordica Hot Rod Top Fuel (78mm) or a Jet Fuel (84mm) if you want it even wider.
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hmm, interesting debate as I'd hoped, my current 171cm 1080s actually do a pretty good job in most all conditions, not brilliant on ice, but skiable, the same in really heavy end of season slush, and I'm fine with splitting them to fit into gondolas.
So I guess I should perhaps try some other skis, and see how they compare!
I just wonder if I'm missing something by not using a stiffer ski...
Regards,
Greg
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I thought you were selling the Metrons, Phil?
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You have only 6 pairs of boots?
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| element wrote: |
The rossignol b2?
When i skiied on it it held ok on ice at various speeds, has a wee turned up tail for jumps and switch, is quite fat and fits into ski racks:)
Although I havnt skiied a lot of other skis for comparison. |
You nailed it. 'nuff said. 
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Course the one ski that does it all exists, if you are good enough. Out of choice though, would you ? Probably not but at the Eosb Philipe le guide skied on the equivalent skis to me and I spent most of my time eating ice crystals (and swearing a lot) whilst he somehow, floated on, answering Lord Whitenoise's 30,336 questions without a flicker of irritation.
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| ssh wrote: |
| I thought you were selling the Metrons, Phil? |
I was thinking about it, but i think I will take a couple of runs on them first. i will be sellign them, as I do all of my gear, it is just when.
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You know it makes sense.
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I'd go for a ski that had a good edge hold on hard pack, turn well and could bash through cut-up stuff and float well. 2 skis that will do his are the Outlaw and Mission, there are probably a few others. I would expect to look a bit pedestrian through the bump fields on a ski-out. I will wear that.
If I spent all day, every day in bumps, I wouldn't touch these skis with a barge....but bumps are probably less than 5% of what I want to do.
P.S 8000's are quite agile in bumps although not a proper bump ski by any defintion IMV...
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Poster: A snowHead
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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MISSION. End of. 
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can you get missions in the UK, havent seen em
how do they compare with K2 Recons.
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scottp,
I've skied both, the Recon is quite whizzy and quick but the Mission has a turn radius on 14.7m which is about the same.
The Recon will go Off-piste but you need to be on the correct lenght. The Mission is freakish because it has a very large footprint so will float and out-perfrom the Recon in softer stuff. In short, the Mission isn't far behind the Recon on-piste but I expect it to be a much better performer Off piste. I thought the Outlaw was closer to giving the Mission a run for its money, its just a little slower into the turn.
If you want 60/40 on piste then the Recon might be the ski...and thats debatable as the Mission is pretty good alround. If I wanted a better ski that the Mission for, say, hardpack, I wouldn't bother changing to a Recon, I'd have to go for Race ski.
The Recon is a fine ski, but the Mission sets a new standard IMV
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Only appear to have 168 at the moment.
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ah! The missions sounds more investigating then.........
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Helen Beaumont, oh what a shame But seriously, isn't it nice for something for once only to be available in a shorter length?
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FAQ
Although you'll remember me moaning a bit about blunt edges and/or no edge hold on hardpack...thought that was the case until I read:
