 Poster: A snowHead
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as I have given up on bootfitters that is not really going to affect me is it.... 
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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little tiger, Yes it is controlling overpronation by not being badly made so as it pushes you too far. 
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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little tiger, it would seem that the Bootfitters got there first.
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little tiger, The original thread here could have been from someone whom had been built an Orthotic that was supinated, thus hurting them when the foot needed to pronate. A badly made orthotic. If we turn this on it's head and you had have been built a bad orthotic, it would have been overpronated, therefore working against the foots need to supinate. The orthotic has, however been made well and allows the foot to pronate, not over pronate, therefore the orthotic also helps you supinate as overpronate you do not.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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SMALLZOOKEEPER,
no that bootfitter is quite happy to help with the boot once I get an orthotic made up with the correction I require but in a form he can use for boots....
I believe he fits a current dual world record holder... but that could just be evil local rumour...
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In the book "Clinical Biomachanics of the Lower Extremities" (Ronald L. Valmassy) is a chapter by Paul R. Sherer and Jack L. Morris entitled "The classification of human foot types, abnormal foot function, and pathology". The classification method they use divides the foot into forefoot and rearfoot and classifies each based on forefoot-to-rearfoot position and rearfoot-to-ground axis. For each, it notes Everted, Perpendicular, and Inverted, giving 9 different classifications. For each of the 9 classifications, they then outline the various clinical findings for skin, nerve, muscle-facia, osseous, and gait.
Why do I mention all this?
Simple: each foot is different. The classification of feet and analysis of abnormalities is a medical task. Exceptions do not prove a case, and often muddy the waters for the majority of people.
Ski footbeds (they are not orthotics!) are designed to allow the skier to balance well in the boots and have the feet articulate in ways that allow skiing movement to follow the natural responses of the body. This is fairly straight-forward for many skiers, while others will have more challenges. The more challenges a skier has (or, I would add, the more insistent on having the best possible results) the more experienced the builder of those footbeds needs to be.
Discussing the specifics of any person via text on a web site (or, frankly, even through the use of photographs) is a waste of time. The dynamics of the feet are far too complex. Besides, most footbeds cannot be built from a distance... 
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they are not orthoTics either.... but if you need orthoTics then you need orthoTics.... which is exactly my point....
I believe in France it is illegal for a bootfitter to do CORRECTION as he is unqualified.... in the USA they do all sorts of stuff... :shrug:
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little tiger, I've never corrected anything in my life, however i have been know to assist as much as i can.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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little tiger, What a lucky chap. Do they all pay him with 'Pieces of Eight'?
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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You know it makes sense.
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SMALLZOOKEEPER, will it be ready by Saturday?
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Wear The Fox Hat, I could show you the diagrams but then i'd have to kill you, after you've paid naturally.
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Poster: A snowHead
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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ssh, That's it, all your credibility lost with on mis-placed treasure map.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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SMALLZOOKEEPER, out of interest, would you recommend going to a bootfitter at the start of the season/start of a trip, or at the end of a season/trip?
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| SMALLZOOKEEPER wrote: |
| Wear The Fox Hat, I could show you the diagrams but then i'd have to kill you, after you've paid naturally. |
As I said already, bring your glasses, you'll get paid!
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Wear The Fox Hat, Start of the season, for many reasons: Availability of stock, the foot is likely to be a little bulkier at the start than the end, chance to tinker with the boot over the holiday/season.
Buy at the end of the season, get them fitted snug to your skinny feet, then spend all summer in flip flops, then go back to try and put your feet into those boots at the start of the winter. Ouch. 
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hmm funny - the issues have not changed from what I outlined prior to the Epic Ski Academy
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little tiger, There are certainly issues to be addressed, as ssh, wrote, medical ones. 
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Children, children. this is getting ridiculous.
little tiger, We know you're disappointed with the inability of anyone to sort out your foot problem thus far, but semantics are just that.
SMALLZOOKEEPER, gently, gently boy - semantics to you to.
ssh, Ignore everyone!
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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easiski, That's a shame, I was quite enjoying myself 
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You know it makes sense.
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Oh my, what have I started here?
Usually my threads just fade and die....
Just to set the record straight, EB swapped custom footbeds for my preference of available "Superfeet" off the shelf product, refunding difference in price.
I am sure these will generally be beneficial (in day to day usage), but didn't find them a huge improvement when I tried to ski in them (ie still considerable arch pain). I now have the manufacturer supplied footbeds for boots to try out, only problem here possibly being that, as my entirely unsupported foot collapses so much I am concerned my snug fitting new boots will now be too small (I was fitted for them with green "Superfeet" footbeds, which were comfortable enough in store, but far from comfortable skiing in).
I fully understand that using the footbed to prevent (or at least reduce) over pronation should improve the skiing position, but is it usual for skiers with fallen arches to experience such discomfort from footbeds, or and I just being a big girls blouse over all this? (I managed a week in poorly fitted boots on holiday, but 10 minutes was about all I could manage with either custom or off the shelf "arch supporting" footbeds; the blue "Superfeet" option, with less arch support, hurt as much whilst giving a worse "all round" feel in the boot). Should I persevere with the "Superfeet" footbeds, in shoes as well as in ski boots, in the hope that my feet will get used to them, or is it time to see a more specialised fitter for an alternative, even if it means my new boots will now no longer fit? I never realised I had such problem feet until now!
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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johnnyboy, it really depends on your foot shape what option will help you the most. Your foot does need to articulate in the boot and shouldn't be held immovable. Your foot needs to pronate naturally for you to trigger the right chain of events in your feet and legs. The key is finding a fitter that understands how to accommodate your feet well in a ski boot. I don't think you've found that person, yet. 
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Poster: A snowHead
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johnnyboy, i can't really comment on why you get this feeling without seeing your feet, what is you boot size again?, and if you pull out the superfeet product from the liner there will be a letter on it what is the letter?
if the product is wrongly sized it will feel hellish, , you could try testing this yourself. standing on the product outside the boot on a flat surface, your heel should sit neatly INTO the heel cup, and not be hanging over the sides in any part
as always hope this helps
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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techknowski, just another thought, if the forefoot varus in induced by a ski boot then it is not a true forefoot varus and if this is so it should not be corrected as if it were.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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johnnyboy, I may have said this earlier, but I've been using Superfeet for several years now. Tomorrow I may well be ditching them for something else, but who knows.
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CEM, no guns blazing here; just espousing a pardigm view. We are not arguing the reference of medical support - however any device added to support the foot, i.e. an out of the box green Superfeet insole has a rearfoot varus wedge that helps correct the rearfoot under the calcaneal shelf. This obviously has an influence on rearfoot to forefoot foot dynamics, and is of itself a medical corrective device in some views??
We are in the business of putting smiles upon peoples faces through comfortable ski boots - like yourself. We are not in the business of creating issues surrounding who is licensed to make medical corrective orthitics which are for podiatrists.
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techknowski,
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easiski, who fixed 'em!?
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SnowHot, me, and time and lots and lots and lots of sessions with the ultrasound at huge expense! The P word is now alongside the C word in my personal dictionary of really bad things to say to someone!
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...just a little update, as predicted above, I did ditch my green Superfeet. (when I say "ditch", I moved them into a pair of shoes)
They've been replaced with... RED Superfeet. (I think it was only cause the green ones clashed with the green liners in my boots)
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