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An interesting article across at Pistehors.com on the possibility of a new supercablecar to link Alpe d'Huez with Les Deux Alpes, highlighting the impact of the recent cable car linking Les Arcs and La Plagne, the Vanoise Express. I was quite sceptical that the Vanoise Express would make a big difference to my skiing at Les Arcs, but last season I began to think of the two ski areas as a single domain, and would happily treat the the Vanoise Express just as I would with any other lift in the domain. It's very easy and quick to get from the heart of Les Arcs to the heart of La Plagne, and for that reason I think the Vanoise Express is a great addition to the skiing in that part of the Tarentaise.
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brian
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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but read the end of the article.............
"The problems finally appeared to be too great for Clavans. On the 1st of September 2006 a council meeting rejected the plan by 5 votes to 3. The councilors noted the strong local objections and that the plan for 2 to 3000 beds as well as the ski lifts would completely change the authentic character of the valley. "
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Frpm a purely selfish point of view, I'm quite glad that the plans aren't happening. The proposals would have affected a beautiful wild area, which is easily accessed by those in the know but whose charm derives from the lack of tourists. My first "proper" off-piste experience was tumbling down the Grand Sablat in bad visibility and heavy snow, ending in Clavans. We gave the local baker some Francs to drive us back to the nearest lift in the back of his van. A more luxurious way of doing this is to go to the restaurant in Clavans and ask them to call a taxi while you eat - they serve real country food like braised pigs cheeks and gratin dauphinoise
I still have in the back of my mind a traverse starting in La Grave, heading over to Les Deux Alpes, taxi to Auris en Oisans to get into Alpe d'Huez, ascending Pic Blanc, skinning along the top of the Grandes Rousses and descending to Les Sybelles and so on... A lift between LDA and ADH would cut out a taxi, but wouldn't enrich the experience IMO
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Agree with the people in Clavans - there are more important things out there.
As far as a direct link between the resorts is concerned, it would have to go from Auris (low, south-facing, loses its snow early) to Mont de Lans (also low, loses its snow early). So coming from ADH in late Feb/March you could easily find yourself getting the scare chair to Signal de l'Homme, drag up the front face, a chair down to Auris, cable across to 2Alpes, chair from Mont de Lans up to resort, further lift up the hill before you start skiing. You'd have a lot more fun forking out £40 for the helicopter ride across. Not to mention the fact that it would be an appalling eyesore.
All in favour of improving links between the two resorts, but it would make more sense to run the navette more regularly rather than spend vast fortunes on huge new lifts.
(On a different note, I'm surprised no-one has floated the idea of a cable car from Bourg d' Oisans into ADH. Or have they, and I just haven't seen it?)
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Out of curiosity, if one compared the accommodation (chalet, hotel, accom only) cost like for like between Les Arc (wherever) and La Plagne (wherever) and then factored in the extra cost for a ski pass for the entire Paradiski would one expect the holiday makers staying in La Plagne to be be better off?
If so, were one to say stay in Les Arc with a Les Arc only ski pass, wouldn't you be a bit miffed at the traffic being more one way than the other?
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| Eve Rest wrote: |
Out of curiosity, if one compared the accommodation (chalet, hotel, accom only) cost like for like between Les Arc (wherever) and La Plagne (wherever) and then factored in the extra cost for a ski pass for the entire Paradiski would one expect the holiday makers staying in La Plagne to be be better off?
If so, were one to say stay in Les Arc with a Les Arc only ski pass, wouldn't you be a bit miffed at the traffic being more one way than the other? |
Is there a significant difference in accommodation costs between Les Arcs and La Plagne? I wasn't aware that there was a big difference.
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| Lizzard wrote: |
| (On a different note, I'm surprised no-one has floated the idea of a cable car from Bourg d' Oisans into ADH. Or have they, and I just haven't seen it?) |
That really would make some sense. It would perk up Bourg a bit during winter and would save masses of petrol from cars driving up that road to ADH.
I seem to recall someone saying it had been mooted but not sure whether it got anywhere though
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[quote="Lizzard"]Agree with the people in Clavans - there are more important things out there.
As far as a direct link between the resorts is concerned, it would have to go from Auris (low, south-facing, loses its snow early) to Mont de Lans (also low, loses its snow early). So coming from ADH in late Feb/March you could easily find yourself getting the scare chair to Signal de l'Homme, drag up the front face, a chair down to Auris, cable across to 2Alpes, chair from Mont de Lans up to resort, further lift up the hill before you start skiing. You'd have a lot more fun forking out £40 for the helicopter ride across. Not to mention the fact that it would be an appalling eyesore.
All in favour of improving links between the two resorts, but it would make more sense to run the navette more regularly rather than spend vast fortunes on huge new lifts.
This is spot on. Its not a practical link thoughI suspect someone probably said the same about the Vanois Express. Might do wonders for my spot of property investment in oz en oisans. 
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If there was a gondola from Le Freney to Mont de Lans and from Le Freney to Auris, as both Mont de Lans and Auris have extensive snowmaking now, then that would be viable even when there isn't any snow down to Le Freney. Taking a gondola would be quicker by far than going by road. It does take a long time even to drive there.
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| brian wrote: |
Surely the long mooted Wengen-La Rosiere link can't be out of the question for much longer  |
Surely it's been in place for many years... aka a mix of road and rail? (although a chartered executive helicopter may be slightly quicker / more direct)
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easiski, but it would be spectacularly unsightly, in an areea which is otherwise rather nice to look at. While skiing is indubitably a big economic benefit to the region, it's not the be-all and end-all. Otherwise the whole national park will end up covered in bleedin' pylons.
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You know it makes sense.
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/\/\/\ one of the reasons i love the oisans is that it is nothing like as built up as the Tarentaise for example
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Arno, I spent last winter in the Tarentaise and compared to here it was RUBBISH in every way! Very glad to be home again, I have to say.
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Poster: A snowHead
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Really interesting article! Had dinner in Clavans over the summer and as we were sitting there we were discussing these proposals and it did just seem beyond possiblity! I've not seen the Vanoise Express myself but sitting there I just could not imagine how it could be possible to have a cable streching all the way to Mont de Lans...it is a really long way! Whilst on the one hand the prospect would be mind blowing and also exciting I think ultimately I would have to agree with Lizzard that the counsellors voted the right way. Clavans is a really special small mountain town in a beautiful setting particularly in the summer and to have 3000 beds suddenly thrust upon it would change it beyond recognition. The idea of a gondola from Le Freney up to Auris seems much more plausible.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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katski, the lift from Bride les bains to Meribel is about 6.5km, Mont de Lans to Clavans is 6km !
(although this isnt in one span like the Vanoise Express but on lots of pylons)
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