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The whole travel section devoted to Skiing. Not read it yet so can't vouch for the quality. 
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brian
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Sorry only just caught up with the topic in Apres
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brian, Thanks. Does that give everything in the paper now ?
Bansko article was interesting. I thought property speculation there was dodgy now due to oversupply.
The clothing article was good. The High Street seemed to do better than Prada.
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Latchigo,
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The clothing article was good. The High Street seemed to do better than Prada.
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No surprise there then. However it would be cheaper to buy Prada or even Pucci than Spyder from SnR!! 
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Val Thorens for non-skiers was also fascinating.
I knew there were more restaurants than a good many stations de ski, but I personally could not imagine keeping myself amused for a week without skiing.
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halfhand, I have never examined Prada gear, though I am aware of the label. Is it all women's wear ?
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Men go back to the eighties
Wicked! Men's skiwear is going back to the 1980s. That's right Rat-fans, the one-piece ski suit is the latest must-have
I new that if I kept my suit it would be in fashon again some time even if its not dayglow yellow with blue stripes
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| Latchigo wrote: |
| halfhand, I have never examined Prada gear, though I am aware of the label. Is it all women's wear ? |
No, they do mens gear too and accessories such as gloves and googles. It's ok for somebody from say Manchester (pick any city) who has never seen a mountain in their lives, but who likes the idea of Posh Spice skiiing and wants to be just like her. Technically it's not good at all.
The gear article in that supplement is attrocious anyways. One of the ski trousers is not waterproof !!! The journalist says that this trousers would be good for a beginner !!! I know that on the first couple of days that I was on skis, I spend more time in the snow than I did standing on the skis. If I had a non-waterproof trousers, I would have had frost-bite an hour after starting, gone to the sauna 90 mins after starting and never skied again in my life.
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The Megeve ski school instructors have been kitted out in Prada for the last few seasons.
Boarders here have been in one-piece jump suits for the last 2 seasons.....skiers catching up? 
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| smolo wrote: |
The gear article in that supplement is attrocious anyways. One of the ski trousers is not waterproof !!! The journalist says that this trousers would be good for a beginner !!! I know that on the first couple of days that I was on skis, I spend more time in the snow than I did standing on the skis. If I had a non-waterproof trousers, I would have had frost-bite an hour after starting, gone to the sauna 90 mins after starting and never skied again in my life. |
Good point Smolo. Then we have Arnie "The Terminator" Wilson who seems stuck in some pre-Interweb time-warp when hacks were gatekeepers of information. Secret snow: great resorts that you never knew existed Arnie? We've skied there, got the t-shirt and come back to post the tale. Get a grip man, wake up! Smell the Java.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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I didn't know you can ski on Java
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davidof, actually it's most holiday skiers that are stuck in the time warp and the vast majority would never have heard of most of those resorts, let alone ever been there. It was an OK piece and, let's not forget, he was almost certainly writing to a brief.
Hoppo, I guess you can mud slide. Anyway I much prefer a freshly roasted Columbian!
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You know it makes sense.
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Most people are warped generally. Time doesn't come into it.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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The idea of one piece dayglo suits got me scared when I read it yesterday and I still am - they'll be adding shoulder pads next.... argh
Seriously though, an okay supplement although to be taken with a pinch of salt at times I think.
Apparently The Independent are doing a Ski supplement next Sunday - anyone know of any other upcoming supplements in the press?
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Poster: A snowHead
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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rob@rar, but there is mrs rob@rar, modelling the one-piece 
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Must admit I found the whole thing pretty disappointing. Should I have any expectation of finding the Observer capable of entertaining me on my "chosen subject"? I know I am a ski bore but is that an unreasonable expectation?
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| nlinesw4 wrote: |
| rob@rar, but there is mrs rob@rar, modelling the one-piece |
True - perhaps we're both Eighties skiers at heart?!
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Bode Swiller, to the rescue! With grateful thanks from Arnie. Yes, of course I was writing to a brief, and I made a genuine effort to focus on resorts I felt people either hadn't heard of or didn't know very much about. No doubt whichever resorts I might have chosen there would have been some know-all criticising my choice. It's easy to snipe. I remember when I included La Grave in my first ski book - Top 50 resorts - an American ski mag sneered at this choice,becasue they had never heard of La Grave, and asked why I hadn't included Innsbruck as a ski "resort". Nowdays you can hardly pick up a ski mag in the US without reading about La Grave. Sodavidof, what was it about my choice that prompted your sarcasm? Clearly not everyone has your vast knowledge of little-known resorts.
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Bode Swiller, to the rescue!
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I really like the sound of that. Cartoon strip next.
So anyway, welcome back jacksonhole ! I'll try not to "hack" you off like last time... I did though have a wee pop at your advertorial again so best you don't look at the "ski mags" thread, eh?
Sadly though, your Observer piece is all a waste of tree and ink. Those that want to explore will seek out such wonderful places anyway. The rest (99.99%) will herd themselves into the same old same old rip off French resorts, complain about everything but do the same again next year.
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Bode Swiller, hello, good evening, etc. Thanks for your support. Hack me off whenever you like. I like to think I can take criticism as long as it's not vindictive! Off to bed now for a rare early night!
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Well out of the resorts that Arnie had written about I hadn't even heard of 5 of them! And I'd heard of the others mainly from posts here. So I'd say they were pretty good little-known resorts - to your average skier like me 
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Bode Swiller, you'll be telling us that banknotes are a "waste of tree and ink" next.
What are you saying - that he should have written 1000 words on Val d'Isere, Mayrhofen and Glenshee?
You're behaving like a sock puppet again, and your argument is full of holes.
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David Goldsmith, banknotes are increasingly becoming obsolete so "yes". A lot of travel writing is about places the vast majority of the audience will never go to. Ski supplements in newspapers are always disappointing (especially when it comes to gear) and really they are just ad selling opportunities for the publisher. Tomorrow's chip wrapper...
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I thought that, on the whole, the 'unknown' resorts were pretty unknown although I'd heard of the French ones and Baqueira. What let it down was the inclusion of Les Sybelles which has been linked for a couple of years and is in quite a few TO brochures (incl. Crystal and Thomson) so not particularly unknown.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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What let it down was the inclusion of Les Sybelles
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ben wright, Ask Joe Non Obsessed Public if they have heard of Les Sybelles and not many will have done
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Frosty the Snowman, but if they looked at 'any' TO brochure/website they'd find Les Sybelles whereas they wouldn't find the other places mentioned in the article.
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You know it makes sense.
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I'm with cathy, I am a fully obsessed skier and there were several places I've never heard of.
Obviously Bode Swiller, is The Guru...just a shame he didn't get asked to write the article since he would have clearly been better able to reveal the real secret spots.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Bode Swiller, is The Guru
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I like that, could get used to it. No, I think Arnie did a fine job... just that it's wasted on just about everyone picking up the Observer that's all. By the way, if I were a "fully obsessed skier" I'd find somewhere more appropriate to live than Surrey
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Poster: A snowHead
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He lived in Aviemore city limits once. That's when he was truly obsessed.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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David Goldsmith, well, if you're obsessed it helps to live within a few miles of a snowy mountain... and "obsessed" would mean ignoring dry slops (not a spelling mistake) and large refridgerators.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Bode Swiller, has actually been quite gentle with me. What intrigues me is why davidof, whom, as far as I know, I have never met or had any contact with, and who runs an excellent website, should want to pick a fight with a well-meaning stranger. He seems to have vanished after his surprise attack. I chose Les Sybelles for a purpose - as a prime example of a series of unknown resorts that suddenly became "known" 2 or 3 years ago because of one new lift. I went there in its first year as Les Sybelles. It was, if you like, a subtle illustration of what happens to "unknown resorts" when they are suddenly linked. If you like it was a kind of parable that I felt rather went with the article. I could have written about some REALLY obscure resorts in Slovenia, for example, but what would be the point? There was a little method in my madness.
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| jacksonhole wrote: |
| Bode Swiller, has actually been quite gentle with me. What intrigues me is why davidof, whom, as far as I know, I have never met or had any contact with, and who runs an excellent website, should want to pick a fight with a well-meaning stranger. He seems to have vanished after his surprise attack. I chose Les Sybelles for a purpose - as a prime example of a series of unknown resorts that suddenly became "known" 2 or 3 years ago because of one new lift. I went there in its first year as Les Sybelles. It was, if you like, a subtle illustration of what happens to "unknown resorts" when they are suddenly linked. |
Hmmm like les Arcs and la Plagne. If your idea of skiing is riding around on chair lifts then les Sybelles is a pick but the domain is over hyped even if the individual resorts have a certain ahem "charm". It is all part of the Maurienne madness to compete with the Tarentaise. Yes okay, good for Brits looking for lots of potential KM, hardly a secret spot though.
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| He seems to have vanished after his surprise attack. |
No, I'm just busy. Les Sybelles wasn't the only area in the piece that stood out BTW but I accept that the Observer readers (of which I am sometimes one) are maybe not very demanding.
ps you don't want to see some of the real fights that go on around here, nasty.
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jacksonhole, About 50% of these resorts I have heard of. Resorts like Abetone for example have only 50 kims or so of skiable terrain, hardly not enough for a weeks skiing for a family. There are however many larger peripheral resorts like Bad Gastein which have large ski areas and seem to have very few British visitors, that is not to say that the Germans and local Austrians do not ski there. My point is that although it is fun to try these smaller resorts I do not believe that there are sufficient runs, pisted or otherwise, to keep an average family occupied for a week. We could argiue, argue, what constitiutes an average family.
However, I did like reading your article.
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| hibernia wrote: |
| jacksonhole, About 50% of these resorts I have heard of. |
You'd be hard pressed to hear French in Vaujany such are the number of Brits who go there. I really thought that was taking things a bit too far.
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| You're behaving like a sock puppet again |
What does this mean in English, explain please?
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| davidof wrote: |
| ps you don't want to see some of the real fights that go on around here, nasty. |
Haven't had any proper ones for a long time. Are we due one?
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Just for the sake of accuracy and for the final time... I'm not a sock puppet. However, (never start with however) I quite like the "Guru" tag given to me by rungsp but I'm a tad concerned that jacksonhole thinks it OK to let the world know that "I was gentle with him". I'm not a member of the Ski Club, all I did was buy a copy of the mag and nobody told me that was part of the deal, OK?
Anyway, this thread was about The Observer which is now half a week out of date and recycled already. Roll on the next supplement we can all have a go at.
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Gosh, we are all being a bit cycnical aren't we. All these little barbs - do they give you pleasure? "I'm busy" says Davidof, sniffily. Well I'm busy too. But I try not to make gratuitous attacks on people - especially people I don't know. Moving on - just because you mention a little known ski resort it doesn't mean you are recommending people to spend a week there. The whole point about Abetone was this it you happened to be in Tuscany during the winter months you might want to spend a day there. That was all. I wouldn't recommend flying all the way to New Zealand or Australia just for the skiing - but if you happen to be there for other reasons during the winter it would be a great shame not to ski there. The skiing in New Zealand is great, but obviously no better than the Alps or the Rockies so no point in flying all that way unless there are other things you want to do there. Abetone is not suitable for a week's skiing, but huge fun to visit en passant. Why do people assume that you must spend a week in a ski area?
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