Poster: A snowHead
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PhillipStanton, assuming there is not a defined toe moulding in the footbed it should not be as problem.... if there is then you need to carefully heat the fron to the footbed and flatten it out prior to fitting the element.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Top advice CEM. Oh and if you are putting them on a cork superfeet you need to be a bit careful as well or the footbed becomes unstable because it rocks around a bit on the wire. In this case grab yourself a dremmel and grind a small channel just wide enough to accommodate the cable.
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dme, Why does this not happen with poly-plas foorbeds?
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SMALLZOOKEEPER, Good point it does - bit more of a problem then though unless you have a dd block and then you can channel that
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dme, if you are really smart... when putting an element onto the full kork then make a nice wooden block the same size as the element, heat the forefoot of the footbed and press the template into the top surface to create a handy element shaped depression
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...carefully heat the front of the footbed... |
I presume careful application Mrs PhillipStanton's hairdryer will do the trick?
Also...I can bumble through with what you've said, but could I clarify this out of interest please?
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...poly-plas foorbeds... |
Is that the Comforable ones (or whatever they're called?).
What's one of those?
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PhillipStanton, you will need a bit more power, paint stripping heat gun [carefully]
polyplas is the white / cream material that conform'able make their footbeds from
DD block is a double density stabilizer on the bottom of the footbed to give it stability, you should have either this or a lighter weight one know as a heel stabilizer...without either i would consider the footbed to be half finished
as for cutting through the footbed use a scalpel or new stanley knife blade
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Thanks all - much appreciated.
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comprex, interesting concept, would really depend on how shaped / structured they were as to how many people it would work well for, there are plans in the future for thermic to make a unit that the battery is so slim that it will fit under the footbed (in the arch area)...couple of seasons off yet i would think
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CEM, I imagine one with transformer coupling through the boot, perhaps in a dedicated Dynafit-style hole/slot, like an ultrasonic toothbrush.
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You know it makes sense.
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CEM, OK, so we don't get Sony to make the batteries.
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comprex, I disagree, Sony batteries would be excellent for heating purposes, it would make it a single use item though
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Poster: A snowHead
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DD block is a double density stabilizer on the bottom of the footbed to give it stability, you should have either this or a lighter weight one know as a heel stabilizer...without either i would consider the footbed to be half finished
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Interesting.
Recent conversations with racers abroad and bootfitters abroad indicate that - the trend (over the North Atlantic anyway) is to move away from fully posted or hard blocked footbeds. So the absolutely rigid kork, for example , is out of favour.
Even more interesting is that many of the fitters I know, if they use a DD sheet to manually build a DD block - they always thin the material under the arch, so whilst it's still supporting, it will allow some pronation to take place.
Personally, I've just got a heel stabiliser in mine, with nothing under the polyplas arch. I've know several fitters send footbeds out without either a DD block nor a heel stabiliser, but in my view, that's just not right.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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veeeight,
interesting points, my thought would be that to have nothing to stabilise the heel would leave an unstable bed that rather than just allowing natural pronation of the foot would collapse over and not have any purpose at all. there is a lot of confusion about products like the Superfeet full kork and similar more rigid orthotics.... if made correctly then these products work by contolling calcaneal eversion, stabilising the foot from the heel and allowing a small degree of natural pronation. the problems with products of this nature or weight bearing made products comes when the products are badly made normally in an effort to give 'more support' the fitter supinates the foot and creates a product which is like standing with a golf ball under the arch. whatever product i build for skiing i look at several factors:
1 the skiers body weight
2 the skiers ability
3 how much skiing they are doing in the season
4 the amount of pronation / supination of the foot
5 the flexibility of the foot
taking all these factors into account i will decide which product to use [ i do favour the superfeet product as it is made non weight bearing] and then how much stability is left in the product, for example an instructor or advanced skier with a flexible foot i will leave a good amount of support on the medial side, if the same skier has a less mobile foot then i would remove specific areas of material to allow the foot to sit more comfortably. like wise a lighter weight intermediate skier i would use a softer product and remove material to offer a more subtle support.
if i am using a conformable product i make my own posting blocks, i use a combination of materials to achieve the results we want either soft / medium, soft/firm, medium/ firm, firm these options can be taylored to give soft or firm materials where i want them
the key is to control enough of the excess motion to help the foot function in the best possible way.
to provide a footbed without any type of stablility is to off your clients half a service
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CEM, excellent approach! And I agree, I like to see at least a heel stabilised footbed.
So if you were making a Conformable product, you would choose to windlass or not depending on those factors as well?
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do you stand in your ski boots with your toes straining up in the air |
CEM, actually, if you look at this candid pic. . .
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On tibialis anterior?
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I have those things, and like them, but I lost one of the battery packs off the back of my boots last year - the attachment is a bit flimsy. They were the cheap kind (where you take out the batteries and recharge them in a separate recharger) and were probably a false economy. I need new ones now - will look at the S & R link, thanks. I scarcely used them last year because it was not a cold winter - the previous winter, 2004/5, when it was minus 15 forever, convinced me to buy them. For anyone who gets cold feet, I think they are a great idea. Has anyone tried those heated gloves? I use the little tea bag things when it gets really cold but again, last year, it was scarcely necessary and I carried them round in my backpack unused for months. It was sometimes cold, but never cold enough to bother getting them out.
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