 Poster: A snowHead
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It really is a pallava.
We missed taking our dog away at Easter because of confusion over vaccination status (she's retired service dog) so we went to get a rabies jab but realised we wouldn't have the sufficient number of FULL days until we travelled, but then we couldn't get a AHC until at least 10 days before we travel. It all seems a bit skew-whiffy and not really encouraging to take a pet abroad. I'm not saying things should be free but it feels there's some money being made out of a situation that should be standardised pricing at the very least
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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| Alastair Pink wrote: |
Do the existing EU pet passports or AHC include a photo of the pet? (Genuine question).  |
There is a space for one but it is optional and would make no difference one way or other the animal is identified by their chip
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Chip humans & get rid of passports 
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@Jonny996, you did have your covid vaccinations, didn't you?
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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A scenario came up a couple of days ago, which shows the complete and utter madness of this new regulation. A French couple, with valid French passports have 2 dogs, they have valid French-issued pet passports, with a French address listed, but because they are currently working and resident in the UK, they are supposed to have an AHC for these dogs when they travel to where they consider home in the next few weeks to visit family. They do not carry proof of residence, as they don't need it as EU passport holders. They are tax payers in both countries (as are we), but not 'habitually resident' in France.
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@Hells Bells, how does French border control know that they’re not habitual French residents like almost every other French resident that crosses the border? Or is every French resident now expected to be able to prove their residence?
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@snowdave, exactly my point.
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@Hells Bells, Were they turned away ? Or is this just an example of a scenario . What we need is what’s happening on the ground has it been tested yet ?
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@Hells Bells, Were they turned away ? Or is this just an example of a scenario . What we need is what’s happening on the ground has it been tested yet ?
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@Le Grand Renard, we should have a better idea by tomorrow. Matt1959 is travelling tomorrow
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@Le Grand Renard, it was an example of a scenario, which is about to happen to someone in the next few weeks. The Offical Vet who advised her (but who has no financial reward for this), said she would not be classed as 'habitually resident' in France so would need an AHC. She has not yet received a reply to her question to the European Commission. There are several others querying this who live in the UK under the post-Brexit withdrawal agreement, but who hold passports from other EU countries and who travel frequently back and forth to their home country.
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@Hells Bells, It will be interesting to see .
@Jonny996, We wait with bated breath
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If the hypothetical French couple were visiting France from the USA, where they are resident, with their pets then they cannot use an EU Pet Passport and would be required to present an animal health certificate to French Customs.
I don't see the difference if they live in the UK or the USA?
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You know it makes sense.
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We bought our kittens from a breeder in Switzerland and they each came with CH per passports. We were planning to take them to France in the summer for our two week break at our holiday home in Châtel. Watching to see how this plays out.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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| Hurdy wrote: |
If the hypothetical French couple were visiting France from the USA, where they are resident, with their pets then they cannot use an EU Pet Passport and would be required to present an animal health certificate to French Customs.
I don't see the difference if they live in the UK or the USA? |
But how do they tell them apart from French residents visiting the US for a weekend?
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Poster: A snowHead
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Here's the update you've all been waiting for. UK residents are having EU Pet Passports accepted at Eurotunnel. Today.
However, there is no guarantee how long this informal practice will continue!
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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@Matt1959, Thats what the Le Shuttle website appears to imply as posted above
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Just to add to the confusion the Le Shuttle site says
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| If you live in the UK and plan to travel to the EU with your pet, you will need an Animal Health Certificate (AHC) instead of the previously accepted EU Pet Passport (unless your Pet Passport has been issued by an EU veterinarian). Here’s what you need to know about the AHC: |
ie those with valid EU pet passports issued by approved vets in an EU country are still valid for those ordinarily resident in the EU for travel to France |
Completely and utterly bizarre. I do wonder if this is anything to do with the EU at all but rather the UK gov Vet civil servants (who have never wanted the pet passport scheme) making a fuss as they not happy lots of folk not following the regulations and not being able to do anything about it.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| Matt1959 wrote: |
Here's the update you've all been waiting for. UK residents are having EU Pet Passports accepted at Eurotunnel. Today.
However, there is no guarantee how long this informal practice will continue! |
Thanks, good to know.
Social media at its worst on show.
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Update on the update. My wife has seen on Facebook that one of the Dover ferry companies has been turning away people who only have a Pet Passport.
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Which one?- We’re out on Irish Ferries next. Last crossing the chipreader didn’t pick up on one of the dogs. After several goes they said “it can be a bit temperamental” and waved us through! Contrast Eurotunnel who noted up a stray “0”- “00000” instead of “0000”- on the string of numbers on the EU passport and turned us away!
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@Matt1959, no-one on the groups I follow are saying that, care to share the link please?
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@Hells Bells, I'm not on Facebook and my wife is not on Snowheads. It was 'French 2nd Home Owners' group.
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@ol_smokey, if you are resident in the EU the pet passport is going to be issued by an EU vet?
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OK, I was coming from being a UK resident with EU pet passports (holiday home) - we're the ones who are affected by this, no-one else is surely....?
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| ol_smokey wrote: |
| OK, I was coming from being a UK resident with EU pet passports (holiday home) - we're the ones who are affected by this, no-one else is surely....? |
Hopefully we won't get caught up in this (there's no reason we should do). We're driving back for the last 2 weeks of May, but will be in an Austrian plated van, but with UK passports and an Austrian passport for the dog. Hopefully no issues for us.
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@swskier, no reason at all, you live in Austria.
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@ol_smokey, there may be other part 2 countries where residents have obtained passports to make travel easier, but I'm not 100% sure.
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You know it makes sense.
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That’s all very concerning. The biggest issue is the uncertaintiy over implementation. That’s seemingly in the hands of the cross channel ferry operators.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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@swskier, I would not completely count on it. As you can see all sorts of rumours flying around, one of which is that all animal movements between the UK and EU will now require an AHC (I think this is wrong but).I have been discussing with Le Shuttle customer service what the situation with EU residents is and they continue to avoid giving a definitive reply. If and when I get one will post here. Also worth checking in for feedback from folk here who are actually travelling in the near future.
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Poster: A snowHead
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I'm on P&O Wednesday afternoon (6 May) and I'll certainly feed back.
To recap, I have an Italian residence/Brexit card, the dog has an Italian passport and all vaccinations are up to date by an Italian vet.
*EDIT* slight change in plans - it'll be Thursday 7 May.
Last edited by Poster: A snowHead on Tue 28-04-26 10:38; edited 1 time in total
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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| Doccam wrote: |
| That’s all very concerning. The biggest issue is the uncertaintiy over implementation. That’s seemingly in the hands of the cross channel ferry operators. |
Who as far as I can see have no authority to question residency status, only to check we are holding a valid travel document for our dogs. Nor have border control, who are there to check we have the right to enter the country we are travelling to, not to check where we live. Is this instead going to be left up to the vets in the countries in question to check? There's nowhere to record they check that when they issue the passport.
I have so many questions without any real answers.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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@Hells Bells, validation of pet documentation is a Customs role. They have fairly extensive powers to enforce import / export regulations (greater than the police in some situations).
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@ecureuil, I thought that too TBH, but I'm simply reporting back what people have been told by Border police/customs at Eurotunnel. Uk border force will not have a role leaving the UK though.
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@ecureuil, Never seen a French customs person at Folkestone (there must be some but perhaps in the freight area), UK customs after passports at Calais. Years ago got stopped post passports in Calais by a UK official who was checking on dog documentation, she was not general customs but specifically agriculture related. She checked the dog matched the passport and that was it.
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@ecureuil, it was the French border control I was talking about, they aren't in the slightest bit interested in a pet passport, they are there for immigration purposes. Customs deal with the export and import of animals. They are different organisations. Oddly enough, French Customs have not update their information on the new pet passport regulations.
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@Hells Bells, aren't the people in Pet Reception at Folkestone working for French Customs? Or under their control? And they will have the power to refuse travel (for your dog/cat/ferret).
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@ecureuil, apparently not. They check that the passport is valid for travel- and that rabies vaccines , chips etc match the details on the passport, but have no authority to check details of owners. That came direct from a Eurotunnel reply to a customer query. Whether this changes or not is another matter.
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@ecureuil, They are Le Shuttle employees. French customs cant operate until after French passport control as that is the legal point you pass from the UK into France (in effect there is a bit of France at Folkestone and a bit of the UK at Calais). Le Shuttle can refuse you boarding on the basis that you haven't complied with the regulations for animal travel (invalid rabies vaccination, no worming etc) but they dont appear to be able to actually ascertain that an individual holding an EU pet passport has the legal right to do so. Completely nuts but the system has been so from the beginning. If you have done this regularly over the years you will have very likely witnessed very stressed folk being told they cant travel home with their pet due to some minor mistake with their paperwork, the ferries have been less strict (though rumour has it that some ferry companies are now refusing to accept any pet passports).
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(though rumour has it that some ferry companies are now refusing to accept any pet passports).
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even for travel from EU to UK by EU residents?
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