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Optimum conditions are probably in gondola going steeply downhill. Place sensors parallel on either side of helmet and wiggle it aggressively.
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| kitenski wrote: |
| @skimottaret, there are people getting 150+ scores on relatively flat pitches....they do say they rewards good technique on steeper slopes higher than good technique on shallower slopes IIRC |
Interesting, I probably just suck  when you say flat can you check slope angle on other people ?
most of my better scores have come on 20 - 25 deg pitches, tried some shorts on a 29 yesterday and score went up although rough piste and in my mind not as good skiing. Starting to get a few better scores on the board but defo took a few days of head scratching to figure it out.
Although counter intuitive to me at first the Parallel score is of interest as a coach as it seems to be a bucket for runs that arent quite "shorts" nor properly "Carved" in the Carv algorithm. For the first two - three days of playing around my best scores were Parallel. I think over years my idea of turn size and shape for Shorts and Carved turns is different to what Carv likes. I will defo be asking people when they book on my Camp for their Carved, Short Turns and Parallel best and avg daily scores.
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ahh just had a look at the "Leader board" and see what you mean. Deb Armstrong Olympic gold medalist in GS got a 155 best carved turn score on a 15 deg slope 13m corridor and 15 radius, defo not like the courses she ran on the World Cup circuit!!!
But most likely a demo run on the pitch she coaches people on when teaching how to carve, I would be using a 15 deg pitch for carving with my clients not a 20 or 25 as too steep to learn on
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@skimottaret, our scores during videoed shorts this week are all coming out as parallel on CARV. A short short is a CARV and a cat track width short is parallel.
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@swskier, good to know and ties up with what im seeing as well
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| skimottaret wrote: |
ahh just had a look at the "Leader board" and see what you mean. Deb Armstrong Olympic gold medalist in GS got a 155 best carved turn score on a 15 deg slope 13m corridor and 15 radius, defo not like the courses she ran on the World Cup circuit!!!
But most likely a demo run on the pitch she coaches people on when teaching how to carve, I would be using a 15 deg pitch for carving with my clients not a 20 or 25 as too steep to learn on |
I think it is hard to get the weight release, edge angle and g force to give good scores on a 15 degree pitch. Now if you can ski like DA then you can make up for this by everything else being superb. Not me!
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Had private lesson yesterday and got my shorts up from 124 to 134. Instructor said he’d have passed them for Anwärter. My longs (145 on the day) he reckoned were between Landes 1 and 2. But he might just have been saying that because I was paying him 
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@kerb, interesting that after a private lesson you go up 10 points, maybe us coaches still have a role to play !
Not sure what Lands 1 and 2 are, thought Lands was ISIA level and equivalent to BASI L3 ? and Anwarter is L1 and L2.
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@skimottaret, landes 1 & 2 only exists in Salzburgerland.
Landes 2 is the equivalent to a BASI/IASI L3. Anwärter is sort of a L1.5. So in Salzburg (probably largely driven by SIA) they brought in a Landes 1 to make a sort of equivalence to our L2.
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cool so 145 longs somewhat at a BASI L2.5 and shorts 134 L1.5 ish?
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@kerb, nice!!
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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@skimottaret, seems a reasonable gauge.
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| skimottaret wrote: |
| maybe us coaches still have a role to play ! |
Most coaches I've talked to have been pretty dismissive of carv. Perhaps it's a perceived threat, even though I really can't see that being the case in reality. I can't imagine anybody who truly appreciates the complexity of technique progression and is serious about it, would expect carv to deliver significant results on its own. I personally love carv for what it is, but the metrics are too one-dimensional and the "coaching" too generic for it to be a serious progression strategy. If anything, when users plateau on carv, they are perhaps more likely to seek out IRL coaching to level-up their ski-IQ.
The individual metrics are wondrous and deeply addictive and an excellent tool to supplement IRL coaching. I recently had some coaching focusing on braquage.. When I was practicing in my own time, I knew I was getting there if I could get carv to shout out "zero percent" for my real-time "early edging" metric...
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You know it makes sense.
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In so many ways CARV measures the quality of the snow, the evenness of the slope, and the number of people on the slope - rather than the ability of the skier!
For a while my top carving score was on a slushy red piste using heavy 95mm all-mountain skis
My top scores carving are the same at 132/133 on runs of all different colours from green (12 degrees) to black (28 degrees).
I had great difficulty in getting CARV to acknowledge that my short turns were indeed short turns rather than parallel. However a full afternoon spent doing shorts and doing exactly as it told me to do meant that my shorts score rose from 120 to 127. I went up 17 levels in ‘getting more grip’ which was the skill it wanted me to train.
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I'm fairly skeptical on some of the data it throws back. It would be interesting to know what it's actually measuring and what it's inferring from map data and phone GPS data.
I strongly suspect that it doesn't know how fast you are moving when it gives coaching tips, that or the algorithm is based on generic instructor phrases which are semi randomly served. As I've said elsewhere its unable to incorporate the context of conditions you are skiing in at any given moment.
That said, having used it from a recent long trip, it did get me thinking about my piste skiing again and actively trying to improve some of the scores so it's not without utility.
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Possibly not the thread for this... but I'm considering getting CARV. My usual ski friends (pretty much all of them!) are leaving this summer for various other places. This means I'll be skiing by myself a bit more or with my OH who despite being a very good skier has begun to become more selective and cautious. I'm just wondering if I have CARV it'll keep things interesting and give me something to think about.
Interested in your thoughts.
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@hammerite, Yes that is exactly why I use CARV. Does it make me a better skier? no not really. But it does get me out skiing on my own, when my wife and daughter can't be bothered, working on different aspects of skiing and trying to beat my scores by skiing hard, rather than just cruising around and getting bored and going home.
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| hammerite wrote: |
Possibly not the thread for this... but I'm considering getting CARV. My usual ski friends (pretty much all of them!) are leaving this summer for various other places. This means I'll be skiing by myself a bit more or with my OH who despite being a very good skier has begun to become more selective and cautious. I'm just wondering if I have CARV it'll keep things interesting and give me something to think about.
Interested in your thoughts. |
definitely
I love it when I'm skiing on my own.
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Same. I ski on my own quite a bit, and CARV makes it way more interesting/rewarding.
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Definitely good for when I’m on my own. I definitely ski better because of its presence, and also because it encourages what I imagine to be good practices. It also suggests drills to do.
If I’m not on my own it’s difficult to give it the attention it deserves, and it becomes a ‘what’s the best I did today’ somewhat silly competition.
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I bought mine for exactly the same reason and it really has helped keep piste skiing far more engaging once more. I've actually shifted away from off piste to on piste way more as it's so much more reliable to be able to practice technique whilst OP is far more of a gamble on the conditions! Love my Carv data!
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@jed ellerby, you got some decent scores on the Leaderboard, must be working well for you !
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@hammerite, I think so and once you get to grips with all the data getting some coaching to improve your skills will help boost scores for sure
I spent a few hours with a client last week who has had Carv for 7 years and after a few tweaks managed to get him his PB Carv IQ score... I think just looking at your own scores/metrics for improvement without having an experienced coach overseeing is limiting but useful
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Content updated .. ignore !
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@jed ellerby, Perhaps move this post to a new thread on Carv Camps or similar?
When I put links up for our Carv camp it got taken down by mods as spammy
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If we could steer the discussion back to typical scores that would be great 
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Hah ... deff the wrong thread ! I thought this was the score thread .. sorry .. I'm way off the mark  I'd delete but it won't let me as you've replied ! Fair point that it may be spammy ...
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You know it makes sense.
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Thanks all. I’ll probably go for it then.
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A quick question for all... I have been collecting all the information from here and some of our clients as well and one thing struck me is that almost all users report much higher Season Best Carved turn scores rather than Shorts... Im kinda wondering if that is because Carv "shorts" are very narrow corridor of 4 - 5 M max and at a high tempo. Ski a slightly wider corridor and you get a "Parallel" turn score.
Do people actively try to get scores in each category by skiing a certain way/corridor or just see how it goes. ?
Im the opposite in that after a few morning sessions my shorts and parallel are much higher than Carved. I might just suck at carving but I used to be pretty good at that and I would have assumed better than what Im seeing.
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Poster: A snowHead
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| skimottaret wrote: |
Do people actively try to get scores in each category by skiing a certain way/corridor or just see how it goes. ?
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If I'm not just pootling around I'll actively ski a certain way depending on snow conditions, how busy the slope is and steepness.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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| skimottaret wrote: |
A quick question for all... I have been collecting all the information from here and some of our clients as well and one thing struck me is that almost all users report much higher Season Best Carved turn scores rather than Shorts... Im kinda wondering if that is because Carv "shorts" are very narrow corridor of 4 - 5 M max and at a high tempo. Ski a slightly wider corridor and you get a "Parallel" turn score.
Do people actively try to get scores in each category by skiing a certain way/corridor or just see how it goes. ?
Im the opposite in that after a few morning sessions my shorts and parallel are much higher than Carved. I might just suck at carving but I used to be pretty good at that and I would have assumed better than what Im seeing. |
I don't understand their difference between parallel and shorts. I'm the same as you on the carving - I expected that to be my best strand but not so.
I tried throwing assorted styles of shorts at it but never really made head nor tail of it.
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For me, I can’t really think that any Snowheads instructor (who have done pretty much all of my instruction whether PIPAU, PSB, or EOSB) has ever set out to teach me shorts, but they have carving. So my carving scores better than shorts. Also, it’s called ‘CARV’ which is kind of a self-fulfilling prophecy, non? But thanks significantly to CARV I have brought my shorts score up to close to my carving score (so at least CARV thinks I’ve got better) and certainly my plan for my next trip is to improve shorts further- not least with real live lessons.
I prefer carving too, it’s more graceful - and lower effort - than short turns. Even if CARV scoring encourages fully completed turns rather than a more progressive motion!
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My carving is better, but I can’t seem to get any higher. I’ll try for the next couple of days, as I’m now out in resort for the Easter holidays. After that I’m going to concentrate on shorts to see if I can bring the score up. Currently 145 Carv vs 136 Shorts.
Jnr thought that his shorts and moguls would be better, but he couldn’t get shorts above 160, on the day he tried and he couldn’t get moguls to work at all. He tried moguls for one day and it thought the slope was 12degrees and only picked up a third of the turns.
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Moguls it basically wants you to ski the zipper line in my experience!!
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He was skiing the zipper line, he thinks it might have been the inverts that were throwing the CARV out of sync.
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Had a morning trying to figure out the system and upped my pb shorts and carves but best carved run was pretty slow and scrappy. Tried SL skis and definitely made a difference, gonna bust out some GS boards to compare
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@skimottaret, my best carved scores come on SL turns
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@swskier, SL turns on SL boards ? How does your shorts and parallel scores compare to your carved which seems? Mine are like 7 higher which is odd
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@skimottaret, yes on SL planks. FIS 165s.
Carved 160
Shorts 153
Parallel 153
Moguls 152
Powder 139 (no idea what they're looking for in this section)
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