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| hammerite wrote: |
I can't really give an underrated to anywhere I've been to.
I'd give an overrated to Skiwelt and Soll in particular. Gets recommended so much on FB ski groups yet I found the skiing quite dull. Village too far from the ski area too. |
I can't say anything about Soll in particular, as I've never stayed there, and the area above Soll is the part of the Ski Welt I have skied the least.
But as a typical Brit intermediate skier, I love the area as a whole. If you are looking for more challenging terrain, I can understand you being underwhelmed, but that is not what gets it the recommendations.
Personally, I think the Ski Welt as a whole is rated about right IF you are the type of skier I am, and I suspect a majority of British skiers are.
One are I think is probably underrated is the Fieberbrunn area of the Ski Circus. It seems to not get very much attention at all, but has a good variety of runs IMO, though some are wrongly graded.
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| NoMapNoCompass wrote: |
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| balso wrote: |
Underrated:
Pra Loup / La Foux also deserves a honorable mention for the fantastic slopes in between the two resorts (around Crous/Pouret) and the easy tree skiing in Pra Loup, but both of these are highly dependent on natural snow conditions which can be a bit fickle this far south (not this year!). |
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Was there before Christmas. Very impressed. |
Barcellonette is a lovely little town - have had some great cycling around there in the summer. |
Yeah it looked a good base
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@alex_heney, I will note that our tip to the SkiCircus, the Fieberbrunn area was great and I wished we'd spent a bit more time over there. Fresh snow, Christmas Day vibes, Timok's coaster, and a good selection of runs really made that bit standout. The getting over there was actually quite fun too - my wife and daughter took the gondolas down and then up, my son and I 'raced' them to the valley stop, made it a very enjoyable day.
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Basing this one my ski level - ropey intermediate - and my liking for easy access, nice towns/villages, good food and daft apres... and on what I'd read/how I expected to feel about a resort vs how I actually experienced it....
Over-rated: Courmayeur, limited, lots of annoying narrow runs, over crowded, crammed slow access and full of hooners, intimidating if beautiful scenery, expensive for what it is and the bars and restaurants in town were all a bit money for me. Sure it's great for some, but for me the whole experience was meh to irritating.
Under-rated: Kitzbuhel. Had expected a too posh town, low, rubbish snow and difficult skiing. The town is lovely and the Londoner with a maccies opposite doesn't scream fur coat and no knickers (though there are some excellent restaurants where the quality justifies the price). Extensive, varied skiing and some great long runs and views, and apart from the main area above town not busy at all once you head towards Jochberg or Kirchberg (during January) which is a massive plus for me. Fun to be had at ice hockey games and the like.
I'd also say that smaller areas tend to be under-rated because people want to clock up miles, but I love them for fun and familiarity. So honourable mention to Pila, a gorgeous little resort with great food, great views, lovely intermediate runs and a proper town with historic stuff at the bottom of the handy gondola.
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Isnt that exactly what this thread is for?
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The issue is most resorts have some kind of rating based on the average person. So let's say Chamonix is a 8/10. Anyone really into challenging off piste and ski mountaineering is likely going to find it better than the average person. Anyone that likes huge interconnected areas and hates having to use buses to access lifts is going to find it worse than the average person. I don't that someone happening to like/dislike it more based on personal preferences means the resort is over/under rated.
I go back to kicking horse which I think is actually an interesting example as it's such a marmite resort. There are many like me that love it. There are many that dislike it. There are probably a much smaller number who rate it as "ok". Those at either end can say overrated or underrated, but I bet I could ask 5 questions and with some reasonable accuracy predict how the would be skier would rate it out of 10.
To find a truly overrated/underrated resort it would have to be one that is almost unanimously loved/hated to begin with (probably impossible). Or a resort that is particularly famed for a certain aspect (off-piste, apres, pistes etc.) that you found to be way below par. I'm not saying there are none out there, but I think most resorts are rated "about right", especially if you can mentally separate snow conditions. |
Agreed, and also a massive Kicking Horse Fan.
Prior to heading to Japan, KH was my one resort for life.
I'll throw one into the mix based on your criteria - unanimously hated / nose turned up to
Underrated
Borovets, Bulgaria
Got an article coming up in the next issue of Fall Line Skiing magazine.
Loved it.
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| ElzP wrote: |
Basing this one my ski level - ropey intermediate - and my liking for easy access, nice towns/villages, good food and daft apres... and on what I'd read/how I expected to feel about a resort vs how I actually experienced it....
Over-rated: Courmayeur, limited, lots of annoying narrow runs, over crowded, crammed slow access and full of hooners, intimidating if beautiful scenery, expensive for what it is and the bars and restaurants in town were all a bit money for me. Sure it's great for some, but for me the whole experience was meh to irritating.
Under-rated: Kitzbuhel. Had expected a too posh town, low, rubbish snow and difficult skiing. The town is lovely and the Londoner with a maccies opposite doesn't scream fur coat and no knickers (though there are some excellent restaurants where the quality justifies the price). Extensive, varied skiing and some great long runs and views, and apart from the main area above town not busy at all once you head towards Jochberg or Kirchberg (during January) which is a massive plus for me. Fun to be had at ice hockey games and the like.
I'd also say that smaller areas tend to be under-rated because people want to clock up miles, but I love them for fun and familiarity. So honourable mention to Pila, a gorgeous little resort with great food, great views, lovely intermediate runs and a proper town with historic stuff at the bottom of the handy gondola. |
+1 to Pila and Aosta
Big fan
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Here's a controversial statement
Nearly every Swiss resort is overrated.
Not because of the skiing and snow on offer but due to the cost.
Many alternatives of similar / better quality at fractions of the prices.
I would love to ski Switzerland more. I just can't afford it.
That being said, for Switzerland there's not much chatter about it and I think Crans Montana is underrated.
So much easily accessible off piste.
I was there last weekend and had an absolute ball.
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| Flaine—just because some people think it’s ugly… who cares? |
It's only ugly if you can see it or are looking at it. You don't have to ski very far to experience some truly magnificent vistas.
..Nick
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| Mike Pow wrote: |
Here's a controversial statement
Nearly every Swiss resort is overrated.
Not because of the skiing and snow on offer but due to the cost.
Many alternatives of similar / better quality at fractions of the prices.
I would love to ski Switzerland more. I just can't afford it.
That being said, for Switzerland there's not much chatter about it and I think Crans Montana is underrated.
So much easily accessible off piste.
I was there last weekend and had an absolute ball. |
compared to France , Switzerald could be more expensive as regards as Accommodation . Eating out i do not think that Avoriaz or Val Thorens are cheaper. Ski Schools are cheaper in France, at least halt time courses.
Compard to Austria (the big ones) i think , except Bier Austria is not really cheaper.
Going a little bit further, and althoug i love this country, i think all the big resorts in Austria are overrated due to the corsts
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| balso wrote: |
Underrated:
Pra Loup / La Foux also deserves a honorable mention for the fantastic slopes in between the two resorts (around Crous/Pouret) and the easy tree skiing in Pra Loup, but both of these are highly dependent on natural snow conditions which can be a bit fickle this far south (not this year!). |
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Was there before Christmas. Very impressed. |
Barcellonette is a lovely little town - have had some great cycling around there in the summer. |
Yeah it looked a good base |
And once you're in Barcelonnette, Le Sauze and Sainte Anne la Condamine are also worth a shot.
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| Flaine—just because some people think it’s ugly… who cares? |
I don't know if it's overrated, because the place is always rammed, but La Plagne catches shade for the same thing. What gets me is that the mountain scenery there is absolutely fantastic. 90% of the time you're not looking at the architecture of Centre or Bellecote so in my mind the runs and the views more than make up for it.
I've only been once but I didn't get the love for Tignes either.
Underrated for me is Katsurazawa, which I only went to because I wanted to experience a few tiny Japanese ski hills and there was no new snow. It has one tired old lift, two runs and not much at the bottom...but we hit it when there was no one else there (well there were two, but they left). Piste was in remarkable condition, the staff were mega friendly and we had a great time running laps.
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| balso wrote: |
| Mike Pow wrote: |
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| Mike Pow wrote: |
| balso wrote: |
Underrated:
Pra Loup / La Foux also deserves a honorable mention for the fantastic slopes in between the two resorts (around Crous/Pouret) and the easy tree skiing in Pra Loup, but both of these are highly dependent on natural snow conditions which can be a bit fickle this far south (not this year!). |
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Was there before Christmas. Very impressed. |
Barcellonette is a lovely little town - have had some great cycling around there in the summer. |
Yeah it looked a good base |
And once you're in Barcelonnette, Le Sauze and Sainte Anne la Condamine are also worth a shot. |
Thanks for the heads up
Also heard Reallon is the real deal 
https://www.bergfex.com/reallon/
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Reallon is a bit further from Barcelonnette, never been. It's also a bit low, max height 2100.
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You know it makes sense.
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| SnoodyMcFlude wrote: |
| turms2 wrote: |
| Flaine—just because some people think it’s ugly… who cares? |
Underrated for me is Katsurazawa, which I only went to because I wanted to experience a few tiny Japanese ski hills and there was no new snow. It has one tired old lift, two runs and not much at the bottom...but we hit it when there was no one else there (well there were two, but they left). Piste was in remarkable condition, the staff were mega friendly and we had a great time running laps. |
Had an absolute ball there
Waist deep laps all day
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| Langerzug wrote: |
I've been coming to the Arlberg since 1992.
Already back then people were saying that St.Anton is overrated.
St.Anton is St.Anton: its skiing is completely different from the rest of Austria and most of the Alps; and people clearly simply don't do their research. And/or are just hearing 'Mooserwirt', to discover they can't handle the skiing.
St.Anton is for off piste and for moguls. And you need to have some technique to appreciate it. (or like to fight against the 'elements' a bit). And many people can't admit that. So they say St.Anton is overrated.
St.Anton is not for cruising. And most people like to cruise. |
I've been doing the Arlberg since 1985!
As far as off-piste is concerned: Almost all lift accessible off-piste is skied out within minutes of the lifts opening, especially now the Albona is so accessible. It's really no fun!
There are definitely cruisy runs, e.g Schindlergrat - Ulmer Hütte - Alpe Rauz, but, like Steissbachtal, they are so full of people of all levels that it really isn't fun, and can be downright dangerous!
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Over-rated - Whistler, Verbier and St Anton.
Under-rated - Crans-Montana, Aspen, Zauchensee.
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| doddsie wrote: |
Over-rated - Whistler, Verbier and St Anton.
Under-rated - Crans-Montana, Aspen. |
I agree with Whistler, St. Anton and Crans-Montana (with the caveat that suffers from the sun a bit sometimes!).
Interested in your rating of Aspen though. I have never been, probably influenced by (wrong) assumptions. What makes it under-rated and what do you find good about it? Would like my assumptions challenged as might put it on the list....
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@doddsie, why do you think Verbier's over-rated?
For easily accessed off-piste, by lifts +/- a bit of boot packing, it's got to be one of the world's best areas, and it gets great snow.
Beginners and intermidiots don't need much, so that's both ends of the spectrum covered.
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@zikomo, The variety of skiing, some really good and accessible off-piste, both bowls and tree lined. Accessible by lift, hiking and Cat. Lots of varied piste skiing and each of the 4 mountains has a very different feel. I've only been once and the snow wasn't great, but it was fairly quiet on the mountain, whilst being fairly busy in town. The town itself is nice and lots of variety in places to eat/drink, with a range of prices. Amusing watching all the middle age women at Sunday afternoon apres, trying to get lifts back to NY on older guys private jets.
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@under a new name, If you don't have fresh snow, then it's not great on-piste and very busy. Also when it does snow, it gets tracked out very quickly. Don't get me wrong, I have spent a lot of time there and had some amazing times and conditions, especially in the 90's, but nowadays I just find it overly expensive and overly hyped. Yes it's a good resort, but I feel it's over-rated because it's rated so highly. My son was over last year from Canada and we spent a week doing a bit of a tour, he was very underwhelmed by Verbier, but really liked Crans and Zermatt.
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Under-rated: Risoul/Vars, Serre Chevalier and La Thuile
Over-rated: La Rosiere (all runs a bit samey and La Thuile far better)
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Over rated: Serre Chevalier (expensive ski pass, old lifts, crowded slopes, traffic jams+pollution in valley)
Under rated: Grimentz-Zinal
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Over Rated:
Portes Du Soleil, St Gervais (miles of "meh" blue runs)
Under Rated:
Engleberg, Andermatt, Zinal, Grimentz (all in CH).
Hemsedal, Voss, Myrydaheln (Norway)
Serre Chevalier (France)
Zillertal (Austria - full of dutchies and germans)
Highly rated for good reason:
Zermatt, Val DIsere, Verbier, St Anton, Chamonix.
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@Haggis_Trap, agree on the Norwegian resorts - skiing in Norway generally under-rated and not as bad cost wise as people think.
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I will give an hourable under-rated mention to:
Pal-Arinsal - gets overlooked in favour of the main Grandvalira area, a wonderful compact ski resort that is absolutely bob-on for anyone who wants to learn to ski or board and just cruise around.
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| 3 to the doctor die to collisions. |
I hope the word 'die' was just a spelling mistake!!  |
Yes, that was a typo, intende to write "due to" and not "die"
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| Langerzug wrote: |
I've been coming to the Arlberg since 1992.
Already back then people were saying that St.Anton is overrated.
St.Anton is St.Anton: its skiing is completely different from the rest of Austria and most of the Alps; and people clearly simply don't do their research. And/or are just hearing 'Mooserwirt', to discover they can't handle the skiing.
St.Anton is for off piste and for moguls. And you need to have some technique to appreciate it. (or like to fight against the 'elements' a bit). And many people can't admit that. So they say St.Anton is overrated.
St.Anton is not for cruising. And most people like to cruise. |
This year is my 54th season in the snow and still not going any slower or less steep.
I skied the back AND front side of Mont Gele etc.
You are right that Arlberg totally sucks for those who like on-piste carving.
I prefer to pull g-forces on GS skis, and sometimes over 100 kmh (when save).
But also for offpiste, I find there are a LOT of resorts that are far better.
Or better said: I find the reputation and self-esteem of Arlberg totally unjustified.
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Surely this thread is about more than just skiing, let alone steep, deep, fast, life-threatening skiing. Actually, scrub that, it is indeed about more than skiing, it's also about willy-waving. 
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| Langerzug wrote: |
I've been coming to the Arlberg since 1992.
Already back then people were saying that St.Anton is overrated.
St.Anton is St.Anton: its skiing is completely different from the rest of Austria and most of the Alps; and people clearly simply don't do their research. And/or are just hearing 'Mooserwirt', to discover they can't handle the skiing.
St.Anton is for off piste and for moguls. And you need to have some technique to appreciate it. (or like to fight against the 'elements' a bit). And many people can't admit that. So they say St.Anton is overrated.
St.Anton is not for cruising. And most people like to cruise. |
This year is my 54th season in the snow and still not going any slower or less steep.
I skied the back AND front side of Mont Gele etc.
You are right that Arlberg totally sucks for those who like on-piste carving.
I prefer to pull g-forces on GS skis, and sometimes over 100 kmh (when save).
But also for offpiste, I find there are a LOT of resorts that are far better.
Or better said: I find the reputation and self-esteem of Arlberg totally unjustified. |
You're a knowledgeable skier  . Which resorts in The Alps do you rate for groomed pistes? I don't mind a long list!
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I can't really give an underrated to anywhere I've been to.
I'd give an overrated to Skiwelt and Soll in particular. Gets recommended so much on FB ski groups yet I found the skiing quite dull. Village too far from the ski area too. |
I can't say anything about Soll in particular, as I've never stayed there, and the area above Soll is the part of the Ski Welt I have skied the least.
But as a typical Brit intermediate skier, I love the area as a whole. If you are looking for more challenging terrain, I can understand you being underwhelmed, but that is not what gets it the recommendations.
Personally, I think the Ski Welt as a whole is rated about right IF you are the type of skier I am, and I suspect a majority of British skiers are.
One are I think is probably underrated is the Fieberbrunn area of the Ski Circus. It seems to not get very much attention at all, but has a good variety of runs IMO, though some are wrongly graded. |
I understand that it has its place and is good for early/intermediate skiers, it just surprises me the amount of recommendations from people who return every year and never go elsewhere!
I went there twice. Once to Ellmau for my second ski holiday. We had a great holiday (fell in love with Austria) but even then I thought most runs seemed quite short. We returned to Soll for what was probably my 10th ski holiday (more or less) and left completely underwhelmed. We'd got a very good deal for that holiday but I still left saying we wouldn't return even if we got an equally good (or better) deal.
Completely agree with Fieberbrunn. We've been to the ski circus quite a few times. We've only stayed in Fieberbrunn once, but we had a great time.
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| Specialman wrote: |
I will give an hourable under-rated mention to:
Pal-Arinsal - gets overlooked in favour of the main Grandvalira area, a wonderful compact ski resort that is absolutely bob-on for anyone who wants to learn to ski or board and just cruise around. |
Pal-Arinsal is indeed an excellent beginners/early skier area. However, I don't know why, but I'm always disappointed with how the snow is at Pal. I could've skied Grandvalira or Arcalis either side of a day at Pal, Arinsal on the same day, and had great, good or average feeling snow, yet at Pal it nearly always seems to feel worse! Even today when it was snowing heavily.
It's perfectly skiable. I just shrug my shoulders and think 'meh'.
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| hammerite wrote: |
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I can't really give an underrated to anywhere I've been to.
I'd give an overrated to Skiwelt and Soll in particular. Gets recommended so much on FB ski groups yet I found the skiing quite dull. Village too far from the ski area too. |
I can't say anything about Soll in particular, as I've never stayed there, and the area above Soll is the part of the Ski Welt I have skied the least.
But as a typical Brit intermediate skier, I love the area as a whole. If you are looking for more challenging terrain, I can understand you being underwhelmed, but that is not what gets it the recommendations.
Personally, I think the Ski Welt as a whole is rated about right IF you are the type of skier I am, and I suspect a majority of British skiers are.
One are I think is probably underrated is the Fieberbrunn area of the Ski Circus. It seems to not get very much attention at all, but has a good variety of runs IMO, though some are wrongly graded. |
I understand that it has its place and is good for early/intermediate skiers, it just surprises me the amount of recommendations from people who return every year and never go elsewhere!
I went there twice. Once to Ellmau for my second ski holiday. We had a great holiday (fell in love with Austria) but even then I thought most runs seemed quite short. We returned to Soll for what was probably my 10th ski holiday (more or less) and left completely underwhelmed. We'd got a very good deal for that holiday but I still left saying we wouldn't return even if we got an equally good (or better) deal.
Completely agree with Fieberbrunn. We've been to the ski circus quite a few times. We've only stayed in Fieberbrunn once, but we had a great time. |
Would SkiWelt be incredibly cheap for decent accomodation, ticking that key box for the tight?
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@Snow&skifan, Soll is cheap. Not as sure about the other villages. Ellmau wasn't particularly cheap.
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@Snow&skifan, there's a recent thread on here where someone stayed in Brixen for 345 quid for a week which is ludicrously cheap for Austria. A few years ago I stayed in a bnb in Westendorf which was also sub-500. I'd say there's more of the guest house style accommodation and bargains can be found, in comparison to some other Austrian resorts.
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| hammerite wrote: |
| @Snow&skifan, Soll is cheap. Not as sure about the other villages. Ellmau wasn't particularly cheap. |
When I've priced up Austrian 4* hotels with a spa, 9 months ahead, SkiWelt always seems to offer up far cheaper prices than villages with better snow likelihood. The obvious risk, a mild winter.
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| @Scooter in Seattle, If I remember well in the past years you have been raving, and returning to Lech....And now you're saying it has only one great run? |
Your memory is fine, though I'd say: returning and enjoying, but not raving. And after sampling other Austrian resorts I've concluded that, for me, the Arlberg is fun but not particularly superior to others. Variety matters to me, as does proximity to the Dolomites. "Your" run is worthy, but I can't really think of any others there that I can't wait to ski again. I like the quiet town better than the hill, though there is a bit of attitude there. People (employees) at Strolz were so rude I had to laugh.
I saw your comments about St Anton and I agree. The off-piste looks amazing. But I'm alone when I'm there so I'm on piste, and so are zillions of others, many of whom seem to be testing the limits of their ability. Good for them; not good for me.
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Overrated - Courmayeur: too busy, lifts a bit creaky
Underrated - not saying.
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@Scooter in Seattle, Aren't you forgetting Zürsertäli nr. 144? 
Did you know Strolz has been going through very difficult years, on the verge of collapse, many steady staff fired; not to mention the 'divorce' of the larger shop and the Strolz boots?
For rental we never go to Strolz. Sportalp is much nicer.
But I must admit our enthusiasm for Lech is diminishing a bit too. Acco prices are clearly on the rise, whilst restaurants are not exactly improving. But the beauty of the village, and the variety of the landscape still has our hearts
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Most underrated - Montafon. Maybe I‘m biased because I‘ve lived nearby for a decade or so, but it has everything from one of the largest continuous vertical piste skiing in the Alps (ca 2000 m @ Hochjoch): plenty of challenging Ski Routes & off piste: reliable snow: brilliant transport connections + over 280km of piste in total. I also have a pass for the Arlberg & if I had to choose only one, I would opt for Montafon! Only disadvantage for many (not for me as my German is fluent) would be - not much English spoken..+ not Apres Ski to speak of (again not an issue for me). But the skiing - first class.
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