It probably me its jutting getting older (and wiser hopefully) but I feel I kinda done with this kind of skiing:
- getting up 2am in the morning then drive 2h to the airport, one time I forgot my wallet with all credit cards in the car I parked at the airport and realised that just before the boarding - we drive
- tyring to fit 20kg ski bag and still paying £50 each way - we drive
- having arguments on bagdrops about boots can go separatelly every single time - we drive
- paying £250 each way on £15 supposed to be lowcost flights - we drive
- staying on stairs of half hour boarding because hey its lowcost airline also I payed £450 return
- having to explain what is avalanche bag to security for 30 mins every single time and why it cannot go "boom" in the middle of the flight (less in UK airports recently, but almost everytime on the way back) - don't have an airbag/we drive
- filming and photographing rental carts for a scratches and then dealing with crazy requests from rental companies (not so often recently) - we drive although when I rented for holidays in recent years I've had no issues
- getting stuck on mountain passes on the storm on what supposed to be winter tyres on rental cars, broken chains, broken socks - we drive - you need to research rental companies better
- dealing with passport and personal details collection (especially in Italy) - eh?
- saving on transfer doing public transport, having 20kg skibag, avi backpack, skiboots bag and helmet bag over the heck, trying to get into full bus or boarding the train - we drive, also try saving money elsewhere
- 100 eur cleaning fees on rented apartments, also we spent 2h cleaning - we have been renting and cleaning ourselves for years, never an issue, why do you find it so difficult to clean properly?
- having complains from host we broke everything etc (also its been broken before us) - it's really simple, you check everything when you arrive and tell them what is broken
- ripoff on skipass costs and apreski (also we do apreski rarely) - go to Poland or Andorra
- parking on the lift costs (it was free everywhere couple of years back) - parking on the lift? Are you drunk? I presume you mean parking near the lifts. Currently still free where we stay - you need to do more research if it's a problem
- waking up 1h before comparing to EU time, we wake up 7am (6am uk time) to be ready for 1st chair - eh?
- skiing in whiteout because we paid for the ski pass - stay in the apartment and don't torture yourself, there will be lots of pow when it stops or stay somewhere below the treeline or both
- hurdes on powder days - your definitely drunk - I presume you mean hordes.
- powder days madness where everybody wanted to kill each other - or kill themselves - given what happened on L4 days recently. But seriously, what are you on about
- offpiste tracked in minutes - life innit - unless you know the secret stash
- I rarely see smiles and happiness on people faces on the resort - not sounding so jolly yourself mate. Are they wearing buffs
- 500 eur/day guide prices - do you want to go to the secret stash or not.
- destroying new equpment offpiste on sharks becasue of lack of snow and paying £500 each year for new skis - as the man said, your radar is well off, get yourself checked over
- paying 30EUR for 1cm of coreshot repair, its been 10cm core shot - see above
- not paying 30eur for 1cm core shot and buying burning ptex stick, then ventilating apartment for 2h and trying to get rid of ptex dust - cool dude
- real chance to die in avalanche accident, also everything tracked to the bumps on avi 4 danger level - and yet here you alive - surprised you haven't topped yourself tbh
- dealing with the fact that someone you knew died in avalanche recently, and thats not the only case you know - I'm definitely not coming out with you. But they did die doing something they loved
- dropping 5m cliff in whiteout accidently - get some decent eyewear, ski in the trees or stay in the hut
- injuries are real, I lost ACL and payed 10K and 7 months for surgery - hard lines but it's hardly Lindsey Vonn
- watching forecast everyday 5 times per day - you should write more snowheads list to distract you
- watching forecast go 12cm from 1m just 1 day before we go and everything is booked - are least you won't be fighting the hordes or hitting any sharks
- constant lack of snow - I thought you were hitting sharks every year and dying in avalanches
- getting sick after 3 days of 8:30am-4:30pm not stop shredding full speed - sick of shredding or physically sick...not that I care
- getting flu from masses of people on aiports/planes - we drive
- queuing 2h on Sat departure ion tiny airports with 20 flights in short time window - we drive
- queuing 2h on security checks and worriend of missing my flight - we drive
- 15 eur for a cup of coffee and a cake on the airport - we drive
I might find another couple, but every time I return home, and having 1k-2k less in my bank account, I ask my self is it really worth it. And most of the time the answer is NO. - Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results
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@Jonny996, 10 years now! Best thing we ever did.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Brilliant post @ed48. Obviously 75% of it is absolute rubbish, the other half is through bad choices, the remaining third is exaggerated, the last quarter is bad luck, and the remaining 90% is just grumbling for grumbling sake. But I agree with 40% of it in that you are quite right, you should give up and leave it to others to enjoy.
Reading the responses from the OP, I am starting to agree with him (I think it is a reasonable assumption that it is a him). Time to give it up. Sorry @ed48, it really is time for you to move on. Started skiing at 40 and only doing the extreme off-piste? Which you seem to do badly, with 5m accidental cliff-drops being the most egregious demonstration that you should not be doing it. Only last minute trips chasing storms, which you also seem to do badly. For that type of skiing you either need your own base in the alps or to be highly skilled (and organised) at managing all the moving parts. Which you do not seem to be at all.
I like off-piste and as well as family trips (booked well in advance), I chase powder somewhat. I do not (yet!) have my own property in the alps but I do have all my kit staged with friends in the area i most like to ski - allowing a quick last-minute and hassle free dash when my schedule allow and conditions are good.
I have many, many friends who live and work in the alps full time including many instructors and guides. I have skied hundreds of days off-piste including some quite challenging terrain well off the beaten path. I know of 1 person who has died in an avalanche, which was a tragedy but one which we all learnt from by analysing the conditions (particularly the weather in the period before the incident) and route. I have never even come close to an accidental cliff-jump let alone a 5m one. Honestly, from the terrible experiences you describe I think you have had extra-ordinary good luck (as opposed to the "bad luck" you think you have had) and you should give up before that luck runs out.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
It seems like a list of fairly hot takes, I suspect a huge amount of it is down to the company you keep when you ski and the choices you all make and the expectations you have.
That said, it's a holiday and it's supposed to be enjoyable, so either change the way you do things or stop going. There is no point carrying on doing something that you don't think is enjoyable.
- Stayed beside the airport, making a relaxed departure
- Went with a T.O and let them take the hassle and strain out of travelling
- Had 1m Snow the week before we arrived
- Got OAP discount on L/Pass
- Had mostly sun for our week
- A great time with my Brother and his friends from America and Sweden....who loved Tignes
- Very pleasant hotel, with great staff and food
- I did however, for the first time in over 50 years, get sick (Norovirus)
It was worth every penny that it cost....there are no pockets in a shroud.
This is the correct answer.
Then you can post your own questions or snow reports...
Then you can post your own questions or snow reports...
Layne wrote:
ed48 wrote:
It probably me its jutting getting older (and wiser hopefully) but I feel I kinda done with this kind of skiing:
- getting up 2am in the morning then drive 2h to the airport, one time I forgot my wallet with all credit cards in the car I parked at the airport and realised that just before the boarding - we drive
- tyring to fit 20kg ski bag and still paying £50 each way - we drive
- having arguments on bagdrops about boots can go separatelly every single time - we drive
- paying £250 each way on £15 supposed to be lowcost flights - we drive
- staying on stairs of half hour boarding because hey its lowcost airline also I payed £450 return
- having to explain what is avalanche bag to security for 30 mins every single time and why it cannot go "boom" in the middle of the flight (less in UK airports recently, but almost everytime on the way back) - don't have an airbag/we drive
- filming and photographing rental carts for a scratches and then dealing with crazy requests from rental companies (not so often recently) - we drive although when I rented for holidays in recent years I've had no issues
- getting stuck on mountain passes on the storm on what supposed to be winter tyres on rental cars, broken chains, broken socks - we drive - you need to research rental companies better
- dealing with passport and personal details collection (especially in Italy) - eh?
- saving on transfer doing public transport, having 20kg skibag, avi backpack, skiboots bag and helmet bag over the heck, trying to get into full bus or boarding the train - we drive, also try saving money elsewhere
- 100 eur cleaning fees on rented apartments, also we spent 2h cleaning - we have been renting and cleaning ourselves for years, never an issue, why do you find it so difficult to clean properly?
- having complains from host we broke everything etc (also its been broken before us) - it's really simple, you check everything when you arrive and tell them what is broken
- ripoff on skipass costs and apreski (also we do apreski rarely) - go to Poland or Andorra
Actually this is better.
- parking on the lift costs (it was free everywhere couple of years back) - parking on the lift? Are you drunk? I presume you mean parking near the lifts. Currently still free where we stay - you need to do more research if it's a problem
- waking up 1h before comparing to EU time, we wake up 7am (6am uk time) to be ready for 1st chair - eh?
- skiing in whiteout because we paid for the ski pass - stay in the apartment and don't torture yourself, there will be lots of pow when it stops or stay somewhere below the treeline or both
- hurdes on powder days - your definitely drunk - I presume you mean hordes.
- powder days madness where everybody wanted to kill each other - or kill themselves - given what happened on L4 days recently. But seriously, what are you on about
- offpiste tracked in minutes - life innit - unless you know the secret stash
- I rarely see smiles and happiness on people faces on the resort - not sounding so jolly yourself mate. Are they wearing buffs
- 500 eur/day guide prices - do you want to go to the secret stash or not.
- destroying new equpment offpiste on sharks becasue of lack of snow and paying £500 each year for new skis - as the man said, your radar is well off, get yourself checked over
- paying 30EUR for 1cm of coreshot repair, its been 10cm core shot - see above
- not paying 30eur for 1cm core shot and buying burning ptex stick, then ventilating apartment for 2h and trying to get rid of ptex dust - cool dude
- real chance to die in avalanche accident, also everything tracked to the bumps on avi 4 danger level - and yet here you alive - surprised you haven't topped yourself tbh
- dealing with the fact that someone you knew died in avalanche recently, and thats not the only case you know - I'm definitely not coming out with you. But they did die doing something they loved
- dropping 5m cliff in whiteout accidently - get some decent eyewear, ski in the trees or stay in the hut
- injuries are real, I lost ACL and payed 10K and 7 months for surgery - hard lines but it's hardly Lindsey Vonn
- watching forecast everyday 5 times per day - you should write more snowheads list to distract you
- watching forecast go 12cm from 1m just 1 day before we go and everything is booked - are least you won't be fighting the hordes or hitting any sharks
- constant lack of snow - I thought you were hitting sharks every year and dying in avalanches
- getting sick after 3 days of 8:30am-4:30pm not stop shredding full speed - sick of shredding or physically sick...not that I care
- getting flu from masses of people on aiports/planes - we drive
- queuing 2h on Sat departure ion tiny airports with 20 flights in short time window - we drive
- queuing 2h on security checks and worriend of missing my flight - we drive
- 15 eur for a cup of coffee and a cake on the airport - we drive
I might find another couple, but every time I return home, and having 1k-2k less in my bank account, I ask my self is it really worth it. And most of the time the answer is NO. - Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results
After all it is free
After all it is free
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Sorry @ed48 but I'm with @zikomo ... this tale of woe suggests that skiing may not be for you.
If the negatives, and I'm not denying some of them, outweigh the positives for you then perhaps another activity with a better +/- ratio might be preferable.
Personally, I've never regretted going skiing. Yes, it's expensive (although you can find cheaper ways to do it) and you can get hurt and break equipment and have to deal with inclement weather and other people.
However, you also get to recreate in beautiful places, to challenge your skills, to experience the thrill of carving at high speed or the silk-like bliss of deep powder which makes you feel as if you're flying. You can enjoy great meals with friends and family and spend time with them whilst doing something that enhances your health and makes you forget the stresses of everyday life.
For me, and I suspect for most here, the positives massively outweigh the hassle/negatives/cost so I just ignore them. And, judging by the smiles and happiness on a snowHeads bash I suspect that this is the same for most here.
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@Layne good retort
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There’s lots of time when you’re skiing when things are deeply suboptimal. On the mountain, and all the faff of getting there. Makes you wonder why anyone does it.
Then you have a moment of perfection that nothing else in the world can improve upon. A morning skiing 50cm of untracked cold white smoke. Sharing a bottle of Prosecco with good friends underneath a Dolomiti sunset. Skiing home at 2am after an evening’s entertainment at a favourite mountain restaurant, and in the stillness of the night seeing a deer lightly prance across the piste. Somebody you’re teaching wearing the biggest smile possible because they’ve just had a major breakthrough. The adrenaline and fear of skiing your fist GS gates. The bliss of removing your ski boots after a day skied well. Those moments are what keeps me coming back, week after week, year after year. Airport chaos fades in the memory, but the utter joy of skiing sustains me all year round.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
All of what @ed48 says is true... and yet... every now and again you'll get that moment, and that sustains you for another year.
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half of the issues is coming from the fact that we are skiing off-piste and going last minute for the forecast, we book what's available last minute, not the nicest flight times and accommodation, typically we arrive when storm is starting, could be challenging conditions on the roads, bad visibility for couple of days, etc
@ed48, well, there's your problems all rolled up into one answer. You're doing it all wrong. Maybe skiing isn't for you after all?
Your problems certainly aren't everyone's and they very certainly weren't ours when we lived in London rather than Chamonix. Managed 56 ski days in our last winter in the UK (and only 10 days of leave...). And had none of your issues.
Maybe re-assess your skiing desires? If you really want off piste, although it's not guaranteed, a proper heli-skiing trip is what you need. I've done a few.
Otherwise, for me, skiing is a social sport. Lots of chairlift chat, nice lunches on sunny terraces or inside with a fire watching the snow falling, skiing in between the other fun stuff.
You know it makes sense.
You know it makes sense.
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- ripoff on skipass costs and apreski (also we do apreski rarely) - go to Poland or Andorra
Em! My son and I were skiing in Andorra a few years ago and at the same time my wife was in Les Arcs. The lift passes in Andorra were more expensive than those in Les Arcs. I believe that this is still the case.
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- injuries are real, I lost ACL and payed 10K and 7 months for surgery
Intersting one this. In the UK we have the National Health Service who do this sort of repair for free.
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Thanks for all comments, really appreciate. I can see where majority comments are coming from, however for me its never been a ski holidays, for me its more like a sport event with certain goals to reach. May be its time to switch to more relaxed holiday style skiing, I absolutely agree.
Looking at my lines myself I can see majority is travel related, I think skiing is at it best if you live close to the mountains, I would really enjoy that, unfortunately for work and financial reasons it wont happen anytime soon.
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Intersting one this. In the UK we have the National Health Service who do this sort of repair for free.
I had good heath insurance from work, so I went private to save time and get Nick London to fix my knee.
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@johnE, apres is cheap in Andorra - so I believe - I have mates who like to party a bit who go there every year.
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I don't think skiing is better if you're close, I think it's better if you don't turn it into a competition/occupation with goals and targets.
Great to hear driving works for you. I wonder how much cost you endup on one return trip. Channel crossing, fuel, tolls, winter tyres, stopover costs, EU road assistance cover and wear on the car.
I used to drive 10 years ago before I switched from snowboarding to skiing. It worked well, until my car broke in the middle of nowhere in France and I endup paying quite a bit to fix my car and hotel. Now Im living 6h drive to the Channel alone, then another 8-10h driving does not make sense, especially in my current small car and because all my ski buddies live everywhere across EU, so I have to drive alone and cannot split my bills. Ans also, what if you want to ski in Austria or Italy, or want to 3-5 ski trips per season, thats 10k miles on car wear alone which add full service and lot of tyre wear. All this make flight more sense, we fly to designated airport then share the costs on car hire accommodation etc
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
ed48 wrote:
Thanks for all comments, really appreciate. I can see where majority comments are coming from, however for me its never been a ski holidays, for me its more like a sport event with certain goals to reach. May be its time to switch to more relaxed holiday style skiing, I absolutely agree.
I think the reality, and in fact the brilliance, of skiing is that it's lots of different things. You just need to pick the right activity for the different circumstances.
I, too, very much enjoy the sport aspect of it; I take coaching, I ski gates and I sometimes go up alone to practice technique. However, I don't try and do this when I'm with (most of) my family who view it as more of a holiday and like a leisurely lunch after a fairly relaxed morning of skiing.
I also love off piste skiing and I'm getting more into touring but, again, in the right circumstances; it's pointless when the off piste is concrete hard and stupid when the avalanche danger is high.
I think the analogy is to walking/hiking/distance running/sprinting/climbing ... these are all activities conducted on foot but, as for skiing, they're very different in reality. When you start to appreciate all the different types of skiing available then, I'd contend, you'll find that whatever the conditions/weather/group you'll have a great time.
@ed48, I think you're better off out of it, everything seems to be a problem for you
Then you can post your own questions or snow reports...
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@ed48, this costings are from April 22
Trip costs:
Tunnel Crossing: £295 (ticket type Standard - £120 paid in Tesco's vouchers)
Apartment: £322.75 (388.86 Euros)
Lift Pass 8 days: £1039.95 (1240.50 Euros)
Fuel: £277.01 (332.54) but bear in mind it was fuller at the finish than at the start!
Tolls: £148.70 (179.20 Euros)
Food: £318.70 (382.60 Euros) but bear in mind that includes stocking up on wine on the return!
Insurance: £75 (50% of annual policy)
* Seems conversion rate was about 1.19/1.20
TOTAL: £2477.11
Per Person (3 people): £825.70
Per Person Per skiing day (8 days): £103.21
Apartment prices haven't gone up much, neither fuel (and we got a new car which is more fuel efficient).
Tunnel prices have risen a fair amount.
Tolls/lift pass > inflation
Tyres, no extra as missus is from southern Germany and likes to have winters on anyway
We drive overnight so no stopover costs unless we extend the holiday to visit somewhere
That all said, cost isn't the only, or even main driver. As you've noted flying in general is a pain, with gear even more so. Transfers ditto. And we are 4, with gear and S/C so driving is definitely optimal.
But life is what you make it. If flying was my only real choice I would try to make it work for me.
You seem to be on a downer with so much stuff. Some of which I have sympathies for but I think you overegging it for effect
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ed48 wrote:
... I had good heath insurance from work...
Ok, that's a sunk cost then. You probably should move that into the other column, as if you'd sat on your ass getting fat you'd have probably made no use of the insurance in that time period. That's a win.
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ed48 wrote:
for me its never been a ski holidays, for me its more like a sport event with certain goals to reach.
That's an interesting comment.
I like to ski well and I certainly like to challenge myself, think about my technique. And it's certainly a skiing holiday not a pamper session. But unsure what you mean by "certain goals"?
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Layne wrote:
ed48 wrote:
for me its never been a ski holidays, for me its more like a sport event with certain goals to reach.
That's an interesting comment.
I like to ski well and I certainly like to challenge myself, think about my technique. And it's certainly a skiing holiday not a pamper session. But unsure what you mean by "certain goals"?
Getting ski-iq over 150 on wide skis in hard pistes conditions There is a lot more we do when we do offpiste, where to go, when to go, doing snow examination, avi rescue training where you need to meet certain time criterias, studying the map and new areas, different approaches, wanting to ski certain features/couloir etc etc. And ultimate goal is to find best powder in given snow conditions.
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Layne wrote:
@ed48, this costings are from April 22
Per Person (3 people): £825.70
Per Person Per skiing day (8 days): £103.21[/i]
Thanks, thats good outcome, last trip to Italy this year, I spent about 1k, where half of it is travel costs. But it was only two of us, if we were 3-4, then we could get similar about 800 i guess.
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SnoodyMcFlude wrote:
@ed48, I think you're better off out of it, everything seems to be a problem for you
I never said that, I can go thought all my list over again in single trip and its not a big problem. I guess its a snowball effect accumulation, especially the financial costs are getting less acceptable to my income. I just need to take break it seems.
So if you're just off somewhere snowy come back and post a snow report of your own and we'll all love you very much
So if you're just off somewhere snowy come back and post a snow report of your own and we'll all love you very much
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You're doing it all wrong. Maybe skiing isn't for you after all?
Absolutely. I do mistakes, I do wrong decisions, and I probably dumbest snowhead on this forum. So Im leaving all to you guys, enjoy
And after all, if its not in Yorkshire, its not worth bloody visiting!
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You know it makes sense.
You know it makes sense.
I think if your priority is chasing powder then picking Europe as your destination really isn’t maximising your odds of hitting the jackpot.
Aim for NA. The lift passes are steeper, but stay inbounds and you’ll be saving that 500 euro you spend on a guide each day.
Or Japan.
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ed48 wrote:
SnoodyMcFlude wrote:
@ed48, I think you're better off out of it, everything seems to be a problem for you
I never said that
Other than posting a list naming pretty much every part of a ski trip as a problem but if the things you do to bring you joy aren't bringing you joy then don't do them. I guess you're trying to work out what compromises you're willing to make for it but that's a solo game to play.
If it were me then I'd focus less on doing 5 or 6 trips and just have one or two higher quality long haul trips....but then you're putting too much pressure on those being good because you seem to have high expectations. Personally I loved Japan because the fallback for crap snow was that we were still in a remarkable place with fantastic people, glorious views and an amazing culture, YMMV
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SnoodyMcFlude wrote:
ed48 wrote:
SnoodyMcFlude wrote:
@ed48, I think you're better off out of it, everything seems to be a problem for you
I never said that
Other than posting a list naming pretty much every part of a ski trip as a problem but if the things you do to bring you joy aren't bringing you joy then don't do them. I guess you're trying to work out what compromises you're willing to make for it but that's a solo game to play.
If it were me then I'd focus less on doing 5 or 6 trips and just have one or two higher quality long haul trips....but then you're putting too much pressure on those being good because you seem to have high expectations. Personally I loved Japan because the fallback for crap snow was that we were still in a remarkable place with fantastic people, glorious views and an amazing culture, YMMV
I would say thats the list of small annoyances that turn into large snowball overtime.
Yes, thats good idea, we are thinking about going to Japan next season. Also, my ski buddies went last year in January for two weeks, and hit one week of rain, then one of them got ill for couple of days due to long travel. Yet they are happy to repeat that. Again, Im not listing this a problem, its just a fact that might happen, so need to adjust expectations. Still it costs 1k just for travel and need to book well ahead, while some weather lottery involved. Im still thinking, as just the travel costs 1 ski trip last minute.
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ed48 wrote:
I had good heath insurance from work, so I went private to save time and get Nick London to fix my knee.
So where did the claimed £10k cost come from?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
I had good heath insurance from work, so I went private to save time and get Nick London to fix my knee.
So where did the claimed £10k cost come from?
Still cost to cover, I never did NHS so I dont know what other options are for those who dont have 2 health insurances to cover cost in full. I just listed what it might cost, if go private with the surgeon you trust.
Nah, Im not complaining, just wanted to share how the things are, may be its too personal and may be I should not do this, as post like this is bad for the ski business (as if I care)
Then you can post your own questions or snow reports...
Then you can post your own questions or snow reports...
This is about better objective setting, surely.
If skiing is about objectives for you, then you need to accept achieving those objectives are very dependent on things outside of your control.
So you can choose to be flexible in reacting to those circumstances outside of your control, but then need to be tolerant of the compromises necessary to chase those objectives.
But a quicker route to sanity may well be choosing to be flexible about your objectives. Plan a trip, build in flexibility and react by changing objectives based on what you see. In fact this is an inherent element of being safe in the mountains, you don't chase an objective if the conditions say you shouldn't, whether than be avi danger, the weather closing in, or the state of the participants.
A good example may be this video from Dave Searle as part of his Grand Ski Tour series
http://youtube.com/v/LtSAdreplFY
The snow is bad on south faces, dangerous on north faces, lets have a bloody good day out doing some mountaineering instead.
A good lesson in life really!
After all it is free
After all it is free
ed48 wrote:
Dr John wrote:
ed48 wrote:
I had good heath insurance from work, so I went private to save time and get Nick London to fix my knee.
So where did the claimed £10k cost come from?
Still cost to cover, I never did NHS so I dont know what other options are for those who dont have 2 health insurances to cover cost in full. I just listed what it might cost, if go private with the surgeon you trust.
Really don't understand this. My son did his ACL skiing last Christmas and I had him on my work medical insurance. Total cost £300. £100 excess on the travel insurance for the in-resort costs, £100 medical insurance in each of the 2024/25 and 2025/26 tax years. It takes a year (unless you are a professional, in which case they might do the op the same day and get you back much quicker, but the physio required is a different order of magnitude). If you went NHS, there might be quite a wait for surgery but you'd save that £200.
So you are saying that if you bust your ACL and you didn't trust the surgeon that the insurance company proposed and you couldn't persuade them to accept your preferred surgeon, then you might have to pay £10k. Bad choices again?
Or is this a subtle attempt at doing a Snowheads version of the "Four Yorkshiremen" sketch? If so, no one else has caught on yet.
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Poster: A snowHead
There is a lot more we do when we do offpiste, where to go, when to go, doing snow examination, avi rescue training where you need to meet certain time criterias, studying the map and new areas, different approaches, wanting to ski certain features/couloir etc etc. And ultimate goal is to find best powder in given snow conditions.
