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It’s the idiocy of the AHC/pet passport which makes the most difference to me.
Otherwise it’s impossible to split from general inflation. |
We've just got a dog and were thinking about taking her at easter but the overall cost of the AHC, jabs, tunnel cost, accomodation cost, vet in resort - that just seemed crazy money that we can't afford. So she'll be staying at home. Seems mad that the AHC is only valid for a short period of time and not for repeat journeys. Now that's a Brexit (non) bonus
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@Specialman, The irritation with it is that Europeans continue to visit the UK on the old system. I suspect in this case it was our special UK negotiation team to blame.
However, in terms of Jabs you just need the Rabies which is a 3 year term, and my AHC cost me £70 this time around. Worming on the return will be about 60euro based on last year so it's about £130 plus whatever additional hotel\train costs.
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@Boris, "Really don't think Brexit has impacted people doing a gap-year in a chalet"
I think it has ...
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Much as brexit was basically like choosing to shoot ourselves in the foot...
Climate change definitely not helping cost of skiing:
- Season becoming shorter at either end
- The lower resorts (which used to be family friendly & cheaper) are less viable.
- Higher resorts are becoming ever more gentrified.
- Dependency on expensive snow-making is increasing.
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I cannot remember the details but the previous CEO of Hotelplan (not the guy who has just left) would be able to give better info than I.
Switzerland, pre-Brexit, changed the interpretation of the employment laws, thereby killing off most chalet/chalet hotel programmes to Saas, Zermatt and Verbier. Allegedly, that was provoked by some hoteliers in Zermatt taking exception to Inghams having a chalet hotel there.
Austria imposed radical changes to employment rules which acted retrospectively - if a TO had not conformed with the new pay/benefits/charges scales during the year before they were imposed, the TOs were likely to be fined. That increased to staffing costs a lot, thus cutting down the number of chalet jobs PRE-BREXIT.
France also made changes to maximum working hours which was why quite a few chalet offers were five evening meals a week, not six. When the Mayor of Bourg St Maurice was pleading with passengers boarding the skitrain home (croissants and coffee?) to come back the following winter, despite Brexit, the brochures with "5 evening meal offers" were ready to print.
Yes, Brexit caused changes, but local staffing costs had much greater effect. And then came Covid!
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@TCSC47,
Thanks for the laugh.
You had the wrong presumption IMO. What has increased the price of skiing for Brits, as I see it as an ex- seasonnaire (both worker & bum), is COVID wiping out so many 'budget' tour operators, and the likes of Airbnb making season long rentals so harder to find for those wanting to go to resort & work on a part-time/casual basis.
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From a self-catering point of view, the food costs have increased for us. We used to cook and freeze 5 meals to bring with us - chilli, curry, stew etc - but can no longer bring meat/veg into the EU from UK. We now do a combination of buying from a supermarket on the way and buying bits in resort. There is also the hassle of having to cook each night (except pizza night and restaurant night) rather than bung something in the microwave.
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I'm not too sympathetic to the "not being able to bring pre-cooked meals" argument. A big cottage pie or two, fully cooked and frozen before departure, has proved fine - there are lots of reports saying that vehicles are not being checked for prohibited food. And my conscience is completely clear about well-cooked stuff. Resort shops are not particularly expensive, and cooking needn't be a very onerous chore when everyone is off the slopes by 5 pm. Yes, raw materials and food generally is more expensive than it was, but that's true at home, as well as in France. The cost of eating is still small compared to the cost of ski passes. Accommodation has become a lot more expensive since Brexit. But that's not necessarily down to Brexit - holiday cottages etc have become more expensive here, too and the cost of campsites is ridiculous. Skiing has always been an expensive holiday.
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I'm not a Brexit supporter, but I'm sick and tired of everyone just "blaming Brexit" for anything and everything in their lives that they are unhappy with - mostly on Social media - instead of actually looking for the real issues, many of which could be alleviated or compensated for.
That attitude has clearly been picked up by the chatbot in it's summary (where else would it get the idea to blame Brexit?)
As I stated at the start, it appears the main factor in the price rises is due to (mainly French, but also some EU) employment laws.
These rules would have come into effect, regardless of Brexit or the Nationality of the staff.
If the situation was reversed, do you all think that the UK would have allowed foreign staff to work here under the same contracts as seasonnaires used to?
Of course they wouldn't. They would insist on minimum wage rates, as would most of those posting on this forum.
This has had an effect on all ski holidays, not just the catered chalets.
Ski lift prices have risen due to a combination of factors, employment laws being one, but the main cause is the higher energy prices as a result of the War in Ukraine.
Sweet FA to do with Brexit, so why lay the blame there?
Has anybody though to blame the annual inflation rates in the winter sports countries for price rises over a 10 year period?
Yes, prices have risen, but so have all the other factors. - including wages (UK included)
Brexit had associated costs, but not equally for every member state. Nor has not caused excessive inflation in the EU.
Has anybody not had a pay rise in the last 10 years?
Then why would you expect to pay the same for a ski holiday as you did 10 years ago?
Why bother looking at actual facts when you can just blame Brexit? 
The catered Chalet business model was already under strain.
If it was viable under the new French employment laws, then they could simply have employed staff from anywhere in the EU, but they didn't
Fines for taking kids out of school has been named as a significant factor in reducing customers.
But the Companies also supplied free childcare by their staff.
Now, suppose the French brought out similar laws to the UK (in place many years before Brexit) regarding registration and vetting of childcare?
Wouldn't that also have a catastrophic effect on the business model, but have SFA to do with Brexit?
Yes, Brexit has impacted on Brits working in the EU, but it hasn't vastly increased the costs to the general Public has it?
As has also been pointed out, visas are a bit bureaucratic, but not really that expensive in the scheme of things and can be sorted with a bit of effort.
As a comparison, how much time, effort and how many different visas must the average student on a gap year abroad negotiate?
What difference is 1 more?
And of course, it's very convenient for whingers to put all the worldwide costs associated with Covid at the door of Brexit, isn't it?
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Why bother looking at actual facts when you can just blame Brexit? |
I think all of these directly attributable to brexit?
i) Weaker pound: Since Brexit, sterling has often been weaker against the euro and Swiss franc, making accommodation, lift passes, food, and lessons more expensive in Alpine resorts.
ii) Travel insurance increases: Insurers may charge more due to reduced reciprocal healthcare arrangements and longer stays needing extra cover.
iii)Loss of EU roaming benefits: Many UK travellers now pay extra for mobile data abroad, adding small but noticeable costs.
iv) Extra admin costs: Passport validity rules and longer border checks can mean paying for expedited passports, parking, or transfers if delays occur.
v) Seasonnaire & staffing issues: Resorts facing staff shortages post-Brexit may raise prices for lessons, childcare, and hospitality.
Pre Brexit there were 12K UK seasonal workers. Post brext that figure has fallen to 4K (69% decrease).
Also : Brexit removed UK ciitzens right to work and live in the EU....
So if anyone (or more importantly) youngsters wanted to do a season then it a lot harder that it used to be.
Indeed there are other factors. Covid, Inflation, Energy costs.
But none of those mean that Brexit was a good idea...
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That’s just a anti Brexit rant with very little evidence of it adding any actual costs
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| Jonny996 wrote: |
| That’s just a anti Brexit rant with very little evidence of it adding any actual costs |
All the bullet points listed are factual consequences of Brexit.
You can argue the toss about scale of their negative impact. What you can't do is pretend they are not consequence of Brexit.
Let's turn the question around.
Can you give any examples of Brexit making ski holidays cheaper or easier?
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| Haggis_Trap wrote: |
| brianatab wrote: |
Why bother looking at actual facts when you can just blame Brexit? |
I think all of these directly attributable to brexit?
i) Weaker pound: Since Brexit, sterling has often been weaker against the euro and Swiss franc, making accommodation, lift passes, food, and lessons more expensive in Alpine resorts.
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Only if you limit "before Brexit" to 2015/16. The exchange rate since Brexit ahs been pretty close to what it was before 2015.
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ii) Travel insurance increases: Insurers may charge more due to reduced reciprocal healthcare arrangements and longer stays needing extra cover.
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Reciprocal healthcare arrangements have hardly changed, and I haven't seen travel insurance costs rise very much beyond the normal inflation.
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iii)Loss of EU roaming benefits: Many UK travellers now pay extra for mobile data abroad, adding small but noticeable costs.
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Many do, agreed. But not all. O2 still include data roaming in the EU in all their plans, and so do most of the "budget" networks.
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iv) Extra admin costs: Passport validity rules and longer border checks can mean paying for expedited passports, parking, or transfers if delays occur.
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That only costs more if you aren't prepared.
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v) Seasonnaire & staffing issues: Resorts facing staff shortages post-Brexit may raise prices for lessons, childcare, and hospitality.
Pre Brexit there were 12K UK seasonal workers. Post brext that figure has fallen to 4K (69% decrease).
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I think that is probably the biggest factor that can actually be fully attributed to Brexit.
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But none of those mean that Brexit was a good idea... |
Well no, it was proabby the stupidest thing we as a country have ever done.
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You know it makes sense.
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| Origen wrote: |
| I'm not too sympathetic to the "not being able to bring pre-cooked meals" argument. A big cottage pie or two, fully cooked and frozen before departure, has proved fine - there are lots of reports saying that vehicles are not being checked for prohibited food. And my conscience is completely clear about well-cooked stuff. |
Your conscience isn’t relevant though - they’re the rules and there’s a risk of a fine/prosecution if they do decide to start checking. I’d rather not risk it, but it’s not a huge issue, just a minor irritation, and a comment on the original question.
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On the food issue, wasn't there a story recently about a French minister bringing in Cheese to the UK despite there being an outbreak of Foot and Mouth in the EU ?
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| Specifically about the Esprit point, I don’t think you’re right. I think they closed up that business due to the Uk fining parents for taking kids out of school. The trips were all full in school holidays. So cost was not an issue. But if you can’t take UK kids then what is the point of selling child specific holidays..? |
it will have had some effect although not as much I think, when we were going out of school holidays even in Jan / March when we went Esprit were still very busy almost sold out. Its still possible to get your kids out if you have the right excuses (which winds me up rotten) |
What years was that? I noticed that the offering available, from when we first used Esprit in 2010 to last used them, was declining year on year. I think some was done to Switzerland enforcement of labour rules I think I heard, but presumed others was the impact of parents being fined / threat of fines / having been fined 1 year then being threatened with prosecution of they did it again! I am sure overall that has had a big impact but wasn't a switch it took a number of years. Also one year we had our holiday cancelled they pulled out of a resort a week early and we were able to rebook any (still running) equivalent - meaning we got a technical upgrade from accommodation POV. Suspect they were working hard to ensure accomodation were running at economical numbers.
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The only way to settle this is … has skiing in the Alps become significantly more expensive for eg Dutch, Danish and German visitors compared to winter 2015/16?
Any apolitical ITK’s on that aspect, here?
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A quick search says that if you remove exchange rates and ignore chalet holidays (employment law did them in, not Brexit) that all other ski tourists are in the same boat with fairly identical increases in holiday costs. They outpace inflation by about 30-40%.
On chalet operators and tour operators. I'd like to add that the ability to DIY a holiday became far easier over the last 20 years. That surely has driven a flight to quality in terms of their product offering. Which will inevitably increase costs.
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| Snow&skifan wrote: |
The only way to settle this is … has skiing in the Alps become significantly more expensive for eg Dutch, Danish and German visitors compared to winter 2015/16?
Any apolitical ITK’s on that aspect, here? |
Most Dutchies / Germans drive down to Austria and self cater.
So they have been less affected than Brits who historically tended to book a full package. Plus the exchange rate / loss of free movement and other bureaucracy (such as pet passports or roaming) doesnt apply to them.
The general cost of skiing has certainly gone up for multiple reasons.
Inflation, cost of living, climate change etc. However that shouldn't be used to mitigate the obvious downsides of Brexit (which are particular to UK skiers - particularly for youngsters who lost the right to free movement).
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So they have been less affected than Brits who historically tended to book a full package. |
Do they? Take a look at any airport & see the number of budget airlines heading to airports that service ski resorts.
Compare that to charter flights.
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@Haggis_Trap, Me thinks you’re just trying to make things up.
We all know that your trying to hint that scotland didn’t vote for Brexit and independence is the only way forward.
You really do hate the Uk.
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it would be interesting to have a figure on TO packages vs DIY, many of the latter being serviced either by car journeys or the low-cost airlines.
Maybe it's my group of people, but of those I mix with who ski and board, most these days do about the same amount of trips as previous but a DIY approach has helped them make the budget stretch further. The number of people on Snowheads who enquire about how to drive to the Alps or how to arrange a transfer point towards a DIY approach.
I'm not sure whether the £50 increase on LeShuttle (from Easter last year to easter this year) is Brexit-based
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| Jonny996 wrote: |
| @Haggis_Trap, Me thinks you’re just trying to make things up. We all know that your trying to hint that scotland didn’t vote for Brexit and independence is the only way forward. You really do hate the Uk. |
Well done for writing a reply that didn't address any of the issues raised
Freedom of movement was probably the main reason I personally voted against Brexit. Young people have been denied opportunity to expand horizons by living / working in Europe.
Doing a season, ski every day, learn another language etc
Literally a life affirming experience for previous generations.
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See below from Grok:
The most reliable and recent data comes from surveys by the Ski Club of Great Britain (in partnership with the Mountain Trade Network, Snow + Rock, and others). These are consumer-based and exclude Ski Club members to better represent the broader UK market.
Key Statistics and Trends
Pre-COVID (e.g., average from years before ~2020): Around 63% booked with a tour operator, and 37% booked independently/DIY.
Post-COVID recovery (e.g., 2023/24 season, reported in 2024 surveys): A clear shift — 43% booked with a tour operator, while 57% booked independently.
This represents a reversal: Independent/DIY has become more prevalent, rising from ~37% pre-COVID to ~57% recently.
More recent updates (from 2025 season data, reported mid-2025):
Tour operators regained some ground, with 51% of bookings via operators and ~43–49% independent (slight fluctuations year-to-year, but independent remains stronger than pre-COVID).
Catered chalets (often tour operator-linked) dipped post-COVID (e.g., from 38% pre-COVID to 13% in 2023/24) but recovered somewhat to ~16% in 2024/25.
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| Haggis_Trap wrote: |
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| @Haggis_Trap, Me thinks you’re just trying to make things up. We all know that your trying to hint that scotland didn’t vote for Brexit and independence is the only way forward. You really do hate the Uk. |
Well done for writing a reply that didn't address any of the issues raised
Freedom of movement was probably the main reason I personally voted against Brexit. Young people have been denied opportunity to expand horizons by living / working in Europe.
Doing a season, ski every day, learn another language etc
Literally a life affirming experience for previous generations. |
A season versus 90 days. Is it really that different, especially when you can come back to Uk for the half term holidays avoiding the chaos
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| Jonny996 wrote: |
A season versus 90 days. Is it really that different? |
Try asking a 19 year old kid (who likely needs a job to fund their season).
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| Haggis_Trap wrote: |
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A season versus 90 days. Is it really that different? |
Try asking a 19 year old kid (who likely needs a job to fund the season). |
Having gotten to know your posting style and your stance on things over the years I’ve come to understand that you’re posts & positions are 100% about what is good for you.
I’m going to say this directly to you. Put your hand in your own pocket for once and stop expecting the wider world to pay for your ambitions for your children.
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| Jonny996 wrote: |
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| Jonny996 wrote: |
A season versus 90 days. Is it really that different? |
Try asking a 19 year old kid (who likely needs a job to fund the season). |
Having gotten to know your posting style and your stance on things over the years I’ve come to understand that you’re posts & positions are 100% about what is good for you.
I’m going to say this directly to you. Put your hand in your own pocket for once and stop expecting the wider world to pay for your ambitions for your children. |
What an astonishing self centered, rude and dismissive attitude.
Certainly as a 19 year old kid I didn't have the funds to do a first season. Wouldn't have dreamed of asking bank of mum and dad. However worked hard and was grateful of opportunity to wash pots in Val Disere. Hard graft but got to ski every day.
Since then used freedom of movement to work in EU (couple of seasons ski teaching then laterally also as microelectronics engineer). Hell mend the inward looking brexiters who voted to take that opportunity away from my kids and future generations.
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Am I right in thinking that the biggest impact Brexit has had on our ability to pay for ski trips might not be increased costs (though it may be a factor), but the now near universally accepted fact that Brexit has made the average family financially much worse off?
I read that the average citizen is £2,000 worse off (in London it's £3,400). That £2,000 is going to hit discretionary spending hardest. So where other nationalities might be able to absorb natural rises in cost, UK citizens have struggled in the face of decreased overall spending power.
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| Cometspi wrote: |
Am I right in thinking that the biggest impact Brexit has had on our ability to pay for ski trips might not be increased costs (though it may be a factor), but the now near universally accepted fact that Brexit has made the average family financially much worse off?
I read that the average citizen is £2,000 worse off (in London it's £3,400). That £2,000 is going to hit discretionary spending hardest. So where other nationalities might be able to absorb natural rises in cost, UK citizens have struggled in the face of decreased overall spending power. |
Certainly the living standard (GDP, average wage, cost of living) of average person in UK is starting to lag behind that of Netherlands, Belgium, Germany, Denmark or even Ireland.
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| afterski wrote: |
See below from Grok:
The most reliable and recent data comes from surveys by the Ski Club of Great Britain (in partnership with the Mountain Trade Network, Snow + Rock, and others). These are consumer-based and exclude Ski Club members to better represent the broader UK market.
Key Statistics and Trends
Pre-COVID (e.g., average from years before ~2020): Around 63% booked with a tour operator, and 37% booked independently/DIY.
Post-COVID recovery (e.g., 2023/24 season, reported in 2024 surveys): A clear shift — 43% booked with a tour operator, while 57% booked independently.
This represents a reversal: Independent/DIY has become more prevalent, rising from ~37% pre-COVID to ~57% recently.
More recent updates (from 2025 season data, reported mid-2025):
Tour operators regained some ground, with 51% of bookings via operators and ~43–49% independent (slight fluctuations year-to-year, but independent remains stronger than pre-COVID).
Catered chalets (often tour operator-linked) dipped post-COVID (e.g., from 38% pre-COVID to 13% in 2023/24) but recovered somewhat to ~16% in 2024/25. |
If I book acomodation if Sunweb - a tour operator & DIY my own flight, transfers, etc.
How is that booking counted? DIY or Tour operator?
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| Haggis_Trap wrote: |
| Cometspi wrote: |
Am I right in thinking that the biggest impact Brexit has had on our ability to pay for ski trips might not be increased costs (though it may be a factor), but the now near universally accepted fact that Brexit has made the average family financially much worse off?
I read that the average citizen is £2,000 worse off (in London it's £3,400). That £2,000 is going to hit discretionary spending hardest. So where other nationalities might be able to absorb natural rises in cost, UK citizens have struggled in the face of decreased overall spending power. |
Certainly the living standard (GDP, average wage, cost of living) of average person in UK is starting to lag behind that of Netherlands, Belgium, Germany, Denmark or even Ireland. |
More anti Uk propaganda! Why do you not keep it to the Scottish thread and spare the rest of us
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| Specialman wrote: |
it would be interesting to have a figure on TO packages vs DIY, many of the latter being serviced either by car journeys or the low-cost airlines.
Maybe it's my group of people, but of those I mix with who ski and board, most these days do about the same amount of trips as previous but a DIY approach has helped them make the budget stretch further. The number of people on Snowheads who enquire about how to drive to the Alps or how to arrange a transfer point towards a DIY approach.
I'm not sure whether the £50 increase on LeShuttle (from Easter last year to easter this year) is Brexit-based |
I suspect that Snowheads as a whole are not really representative of the majority of Brits who ski. People on here tend to be keener skiers/snowboarders, much more likely than the average to take multiple trips in one year, and also much more likely to go DIY (partly because that is the only way for some to afford multiple trips  ).
At one time there was an annual ski report (may have been produced by Crystal?) which reported ion things like how many people took pacvkages compared to DIY. I can't find any recent copies though, the only thing I can find currently is the Savill's one, which is mainly focused on property.
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I'm not a Brexit supporter, but I'm sick and tired of everyone just "blaming Brexit" for anything and everything in their lives that they are unhappy with - mostly on Social media - instead of actually looking for the real issues, many of which could be alleviated or compensated for.
That attitude has clearly been picked up by the chatbot in it's summary (where else would it get the idea to blame Brexit?)
As I stated at the start, it appears the main factor in the price rises is due to (mainly French, but also some EU) employment laws.
These rules would have come into effect, regardless of Brexit or the Nationality of the staff.
If the situation was reversed, do you all think that the UK would have allowed foreign staff to work here under the same contracts as seasonnaires used to?
Of course they wouldn't. They would insist on minimum wage rates, as would most of those posting on this forum.
This has had an effect on all ski holidays, not just the catered chalets.
Ski lift prices have risen due to a combination of factors, employment laws being one, but the main cause is the higher energy prices as a result of the War in Ukraine.
Sweet FA to do with Brexit, so why lay the blame there?
Has anybody though to blame the annual inflation rates in the winter sports countries for price rises over a 10 year period?
Yes, prices have risen, but so have all the other factors. - including wages (UK included)
Brexit had associated costs, but not equally for every member state. Nor has not caused excessive inflation in the EU.
Has anybody not had a pay rise in the last 10 years?
Then why would you expect to pay the same for a ski holiday as you did 10 years ago?
Why bother looking at actual facts when you can just blame Brexit?
The catered Chalet business model was already under strain.
If it was viable under the new French employment laws, then they could simply have employed staff from anywhere in the EU, but they didn't
Fines for taking kids out of school has been named as a significant factor in reducing customers.
But the Companies also supplied free childcare by their staff.
Now, suppose the French brought out similar laws to the UK (in place many years before Brexit) regarding registration and vetting of childcare?
Wouldn't that also have a catastrophic effect on the business model, but have SFA to do with Brexit?
Yes, Brexit has impacted on Brits working in the EU, but it hasn't vastly increased the costs to the general Public has it?
As has also been pointed out, visas are a bit bureaucratic, but not really that expensive in the scheme of things and can be sorted with a bit of effort.
As a comparison, how much time, effort and how many different visas must the average student on a gap year abroad negotiate?
What difference is 1 more?
And of course, it's very convenient for whingers to put all the worldwide costs associated with Covid at the door of Brexit, isn't it? |
Erm...maybe as it was answering the specific question that was asked...? (This was clearly posted in the opening post). The whole point of this is how much has brexit added to holiday costs not why holiday costs have gone up...
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| Jonny996 wrote: |
More anti Uk propaganda! Why do you not keep it to the Scottish thread and spare the rest of us |
It is a simple fact
Average wage....
UK = £39K
Germany = 55K euros
Netherlands = 44K euros
Belgium = 49k euros
Ireland = 45k euros
Denmark = 68k euros
Sweden = 49k euros
UK standard of living / economic growth has been falling behind northern European nations for sometime. Brexit compounding that effect. UK used to be one of the richest nations in Europe. That is clearly no longer the case.
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| Haggis_Trap wrote: |
| Jonny996 wrote: |
More anti Uk propaganda! Why do you not keep it to the Scottish thread and spare the rest of us |
It is a simple fact
Average wage....
UK = £39K
Germany = 55K euros
Netherlands = 44K euros
Belgium = 49k euros
Ireland = 45k euros
Denmark = 68k euros
Sweden = 49k euros
UK standard of living / economic growth has been falling behind northern European nations for sometime. Brexit compounding that effect. UK used to be one of the richest nations in Europe. That is clearly no longer the case. |
Net wages post taxation and the cost of living, would be the only sensible comparison, if using that as a measure.
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But that wouldn’t make his point or look as sensational.
You have to understand, Haggis is up there with Stanton on UK. Bashing.
His “facts” have been found to be questionable at best.
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@alex_heney, annual ski report - blast from the past! yes, I think it was Crystal, but didn't the SCGB do something similar also? Maybe I'm mis-remembering....
I do think there's a movement for certain demographic/type of person to do DIY holidays as a whole, but there is probably a big demographic who rely on everything being done for them. Maybe on the ski front it's shifted one way or the other compared to something like a beach holiday, I don't know.
Like you say, those of us who've done a few holidays learn that a DIY approach can facilitate a second, third, firth trip in a season. Not sure I'd be doing them if I was travelling with a TO
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| Snow&skifan wrote: |
| Net wages post taxation and the cost of living, would be the only sensible comparison, if using that as a measure. |
True no doubt, but perhaps not a published statistic.
Even so, Haggis's list suggests the pre-tax income in the UK is much the same as Netherlands and Ireland, and might not be too different from Sweden and Belgium if adjusted for tax. While we feel poorer, that might not actually be the case depending on how reliable the numbers are.
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I think you have to look harder for value for money nowadays. We've managed to keep costs down and have just booked for next year. We saw a Gite France sign when strolling round the resort, found it on the website, contacted the owner and had a look before booking. It's no more expensive than we've paid in the last few years.
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