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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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@tarrantd, yes, I was a tad sceptical at first as to the source, but have since had a good hunt around and a number of Italian sites confirm the story, but can't find anything with regards to ski-touring & off-piste etc.
Fortunately, most of our ski-touring in Italy is only to the summit ridge, which is often the frontier, but then we sometimes go off after climbing up the French side and drop down into Italy.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Wait for the other countries to follow now. Will no doubt happen over the next few years now one has taken the plunge (if true of course).
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| Legend. wrote: |
| Wait for the other countries to follow now. Will no doubt happen over the next few years now one has taken the plunge (if true of course). |
Like I inferred, we, well the OH has done all she can to validate it from other sources, and it does stack up.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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I can't see anywhere in the 96/2025 decree mentioned in the Snowbrains article, that is anything like making helmets mandatory. Lots of prep stuff for the Olympics, support for local sports clubs, some stuff about military funding etc but nothing like whats been suggested.
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@Richard_Sideways, search in Italian, google.it for "helmets compulsory Italy" or other phrases and there are quite a few sites. That PDF linked to from the other site seems to be very confusing when you run it through AI summary, evidently, according to the OH.
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I've understood that they've been compulsory for children for some years now. My Italian is far from perfect, but I too can find no mention of helmets at all in the linked PDF. (Including the various amendements which are mentioned within it).
Most other hits are about the pre-existing regs for under-18s, only that one single site says otherwise.
So I'll call BS on this one for now.
Edit: Yes, those other three Italian sites all seem to say the same thing, but I think it very strange that the amendment they all mention does not appear on the actual document itself,
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Like most things it’ll come down to the policing of the law.
France recently outlawed smoking on outside terraces in bars, I can tell you no one is paying attention to that.
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| Jonny996 wrote: |
France recently outlawed smoking on outside terraces in bars, I can tell you no one is paying attention to that. |
Only in certain specified places, not as a general rule.
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@Chaletbeauroc, yes and doesn't concern e-ciggies etc. which for me are more annoying than actual ciggies as they produce as much smoke as a Russian warship and smell worse than a fille de joie.
I suspect it will not be enforced either though as Jonny says, I'll have to check out the park to see what is happening although there are never that many smokers there.
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| I'll have to check out the park to see what is happening although there are never that many smokers there |
What about smokers with no helmets? 
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You know it makes sense.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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| GreenDay wrote: |
| mountainaddict wrote: |
| What about smokers with no helmets? |
They are obviously the coolest dudes in town |
Why thank you, nice of you to notice.
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Poster: A snowHead
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What would any resort or country have to gain, by making helmets compulsory for adults? Considering that a very high percentage of people wear them anyway?
I run hot & find wearing a helmet intolerable when skiing, so I would simply not ski where helmets are compulsory.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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I can't see any downsides to making helmet wearing compulsory, so it seems like a great idea to me. But how many helmets in circulation (of people that have been wearing them for several years) are going to have proof that they have CE-certification? Not that I think people will be patrolling and carrying out random checks, but wonder if it may be something that affects small print in insurance policies...
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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I agree that it seems OTT to make helmets compulsory - much more to the point to make third party insurance compulsory (which it is in Italy but ? elsewhere).
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@WoottonBecs, CEN1077 has been around so long now that any helmet made will be compliant, and as its a manufacturing cert it expires with the model type not the production run.
The insurance thing you mention will be potentially a point as if you're not following the legal requirements for using an area you could find yourself uninsured.
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@Origen, Why OTT? I can't see any reason why wearing a helmet isn't a good idea. I don't buy the argument that people always make about cycle helmets that other people behave more recklessly when they see that the cyclist is wearing a helmet, which I'm sure some people will try and translate to skiing.
It doesn't matter how experienced you are, you can still be taken out by someone else.
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@tangowaggon, if you wanted to, you could look at ski touring helmets (yes, they exist) ...
The link in the first link doesn't refer to anything, the later link looks more like a press release that an amendment has been added to an act going thru parliament ...
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| WoottonBecs wrote: |
@Origen, Why OTT? I can't see any reason why wearing a helmet isn't a good idea. I don't buy the argument that people always make about cycle helmets that other people behave more recklessly when they see that the cyclist is wearing a helmet, which I'm sure some people will try and translate to skiing.
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It's people like you that reallllly pi55 me off! Too encapsulated in your own thoughts and opinions to understand that there are many others that have different experiences.
Firstly, IF you fall or collide and IF your head hits something hard, yes, wearing a helmet will reduce / prevent an injury . There are people on here that seem to be smacking their heads off hard things on a daily basis, but in 40 years / 100+ weeks of skiing, I've had zero head injuries
I sometimes wish I could tolerate wearing a helmet, there are times when I choose a more cautious line because I feel vulnerable without head protection (but of course risk compensation doesn't exist  )
If you like wearing a helmet, by all means wear one, but expect to be told to f... off if you tell me to wear one.
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| tangowaggon wrote: |
| Firstly, IF you fall or collide and IF your head hits something hard, yes, wearing a helmet will reduce / prevent an injury . |
*may* reduce/prevent an injury.
I wear my helmet on the slopes, though not always for ski touring, and I'm with @tangowaggon on this. I've had a head injury that required surgery. I was wearing a helmet, that did nothing to prevent the injury, which was on my face. It was probably caused by my goggles, but no-one says ”don't wear goggles, they cause head injuries” (I still wear goggles).
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Well luckily it's not me telling you to wear one! So you can tell the people making the rules to f... off if you feel the need to do so.
Of course the vast majority of skiers have had no head injuries. If they had, the slopes wouldn't be full all winter. But that doesn't mean taking steps to keep everyone safer is a bad thing.
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@tangowaggon, looks like Italy's out for you then.
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I’m sure I’ve seen this discussion before somewhere.
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*sniffs air*
Mmmm - I sense the Quickening of an old-school Helmet thread! And so early in the season.
PARTISANS! TO THE BARRICADES!
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You know it makes sense.
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In 50 years people will look back at this and think people who were resistant to wearing helmets were nutters.
If you're lucky, maybe cool nutters....however it's unlikely..... 
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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| under a new name wrote: |
| @tangowaggon, looks like Italy's out for you then. |
Huge shame to rule out one of the best skiing countries in Europe because of a refusal to follow new legislation. Not at all aimed at Tangowagon specifically, there will be large swathes of people who will refuse to adhere to the new law and could therefore be banned (if they risk skiing in Italy? It will be interesting to see how this is implemented. Will lift cards be taken away or fines issued etc? Whether it will be in the first season or will take time, who knows.
Will the Gnarli need to find a new destination or will there be reduced numbers?! 
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Poster: A snowHead
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@Legend., Piste patrol in most places that I have skied in Italy is provided by a branch of the Police.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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The 'unofficial' implementation of leash enforcement for step-on bindings seems to fall to lift staff, plus its the point where the ticket you buy is being used so if there are rules around using that ticket then its the obvious checking point.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| WoottonBecs wrote: |
@Origen, Why OTT? I can't see any reason why wearing a helmet isn't a good idea. I don't buy the argument that people always make about cycle helmets that other people behave more recklessly when they see that the cyclist is wearing a helmet, which I'm sure some people will try and translate to skiing.
It doesn't matter how experienced you are, you can still be taken out by someone else. |
Cycle helmets has a better argument.
Statistically walking is more dangerous for head injuries than cycling (yes, this is a fact, regardless of how much you might dislike it, and yes, all cycling, not just road cycling! (even if mountain biking is A lot more dangerous for head injuries) and huge chunk of the risk in road cycling is cars (helmets make about as much difference as a lucky rabbits foot if 2 tons of metal hits you at 30+mph...)
Skiing is closer to mountain biking - loads of minor head injuries well within what helmets are designed for. Of course this also ignores that helmets are sold as preventing death, when really helmets prevent minor injuries - the helmet stops you needing carting down to the local clinic for stitches to stop the bleeding, NOT being helicoptered to the nearest A&E department...
I can see valid argument for mandating them for said minor injuries as they are frequent enough in skiing to justify it - I suspect carting people off mountains to the local clinic to get stitches is still resource intensive so mandating helmets frees up resources to deal with the more serious injuries.
Though I suspect this would still need weighing up against benefits of exercise. People WILL stop skiing (exercise) if you insist on helmets (see cycle helmet mandation)
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| @tangowaggon, looks like Italy's out for you then. |
Huge shame to rule out one of the best skiing countries in Europe because of a refusal to follow new legislation. Not at all aimed at Tangowagon specifically, there will be large swathes of people who will refuse to adhere to the new law and could therefore be banned (if they risk skiing in Italy? It will be interesting to see how this is implemented. Will lift cards be taken away or fines issued etc? Whether it will be in the first season or will take time, who knows.
Will the Gnarli need to find a new destination or will there be reduced numbers?! |
Almost everyone in Italy seems to wear helmets so I doubt they'll notice any difference.
For anyone who hasn't read the blurb or seen an English version penalties are listed as fines, removal of ski pass and banning from the ski areas for several days, not sure how the latter would work.
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| Legend. wrote: |
| under a new name wrote: |
| @tangowaggon, looks like Italy's out for you then. |
Huge shame to rule out one of the best skiing countries in Europe because of a refusal to follow new legislation. Not at all aimed at Tangowagon specifically, there will be large swathes of people who will refuse to adhere to the new law and could therefore be banned (if they risk skiing in Italy? It will be interesting to see how this is implemented. Will lift cards be taken away or fines issued etc? Whether it will be in the first season or will take time, who knows.
Will the Gnarli need to find a new destination or will there be reduced numbers?! |
I actually think the skiing in Italy is a bit tame, ok for intermediates & old people, the Sella Ronda is one of the few places that I've nearly fallen asleep on my skis. The much more varied terrain of France, which also has carvy blues & reds, but also has gnarly moguls & offpiste, is my preferred terrain. But I,d rather be in Italy with friends, than anywhere else on my own. 
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@qwerty360, A good post, and one which pretty much sums it up for me.
I was out the other day for a very tame pootle, mostly on bike paths, with some old colleagues all of whom are cyclists to a greater or lesser extent.
Out of 10 of us, I was the only person without a helmet on that beautiful warm summers day.
The other guys have just been conditioned into wearing one over the years, even when it's driving miss daisy cycling !
However, that's entirely their choice. Compulsion, for adults, is totally wrong whether it's cycling, skiing, whatever.
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Compulsion, for adults, is totally wrong whether it's cycling, skiing, whatever.
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So extending that logic, adults can choose which rules they have to follow? So as you rarely need them I can leave snow-chains at home.
While I sort of see your point - them's the rules, you follow them or go elsewhere.
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@Boris, though it always amuses me (not in the comical way) how NO ONE wears a helmet Cross Country Skiing, especially on the downhills. At least twice a season I go base over apex, and often have the coup de grace of my head whiplashing behind me onto the piste.
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@Weathercam, I agree - I've seen the speed they go and I'm amazed they're not wearing something vaguely protective!
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@Boris, My point is that helmet compulsion is wrong.
What I DIDN'T say was if rules are in place (like chains ) that you can ignore.
e.g. organised sportifs require a helmet, if I am doing one, obviously I wear one.
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