I live in proper middle of the road suburbia. Apparently last week some gen z's rented an airbnb for a night and had a big party. Locals seemed to say it was pretty friendly and they were cool with it. Although inevitably the police were called and shut it down. And no doubt the place was left in a state. A lesson for the owner.
I think the bottom line is that young people don't have the available money these days.
Not sure about summer holiday destinations (I don't go there) but ski trips are predominantly older people, town centres that were busy, are now quiet on a weekend.
So much demand for a limited supply of housing these days, housing costs have rocketed, young people are saving every
penny they can for a deposit, or they are being bled by high rents. When I bought my first house in 1988, I took out a personal loan for the deposit & got a mortgage for the rest of the £14k that I paid for the doer upper.
The young, table dancers are hardly there anymore.
@Dave of the Marmottes, @tangowaggon, totally buy the argument about the costs of drinks, both in the UK and France.
But in Brazil, it was ludicrously cheap, seemed as if you could get quite pickled on a fiver, via three caipirinha's maybe I was just tired
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The Dutch, including the younger generations, know how to party
After all it is free
After all it is free
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@Dave of the Marmottes, @tangowaggon, totally buy the argument about the costs of drinks, both in the UK and France.
But in Brazil, it was ludicrously cheap, seemed as if you could get quite pickled on a fiver, via three Ciprianis, or maybe I was just tired
Surely if you are on a kiting trip, its an advantage to be a lightweight...
...My coat please, barman
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No offense, but the concept of coming to ski for just apres brings bad behaviour, and the wrong sorts of groups. Apres is the finishing of the skiday, and should not be viewed as the sole reason to come skiing. Also not to be the apres police, but I find it crazy those who get the gondola/cable car/chair to apres just to have apres, and spending all that money and not skiing.!
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@joshyp, I have a fair number of Geezonaire friends who do not ski anymore but still come out to be in the mountains and do take lifts up to the restaurants, and the French excel at that, as they come en famille with Mami and Papi being the childminders and taxi service to and from ski-school.
In the height of the French holidays, the terraces of restaurants close to gondolas, etc, will be full of people who don't actually ski.
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As we used to say when I was doing seasons in Tignes:-
If you want to party a season, go to Val d'Isere. If you want to ski a season, Tignes.
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Folie Douce Val Thorens isn't quite so bad since it's only a short run from there back to the village but, nonetheless, I always make it a point to avoid that slope at FD closing time.
Nevertheless the need to negotiate the easy bottom half of the black run Goitschel even before the drinking starts does lead to some quite spectacular falls from what look like very inexperienced skiers determined to experience the famed Folie Douce
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I find it crazy those who get the gondola/cable car/chair to apres just to have apres, and spending all that money and not skiing.
I think it's excellent. Subsidises the lift system for the rest of us.
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they are retiring to their rooms so they can socialise the only way they really know, on their phones
you ARE getting old, @Weathercam
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Maybe I'm not a grumpy but just an old git.
I quite like dancing at The Folie in Val Thoren.
http://youtube.com/v/7Nxox_4JvRE
I also like dancing in the Marmot, and chilling in the Jam Bar.
The Mooser leaves me a bit cold though.. I think its OK to visit and "be seen" but its too forced, with Euro Pop and "Who dar 8uck is Alice".
I think the Mooser is great though for Lunch.
I wonder if "The Londoner" is still using the same playlist that kept us going in 92.
Apres is best when it's spontaneous and you are in the zone.
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I’m still trying to work out what @Weathercam, was doing with 3 rugby players……
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abricotine wrote:
Blackblade wrote:
Folie Douce Val Thorens isn't quite so bad since it's only a short run from there back to the village but, nonetheless, I always make it a point to avoid that slope at FD closing time.
Nevertheless the need to negotiate the easy bottom half of the black run Goitschel even before the drinking starts does lead to some quite spectacular falls from what look like very inexperienced skiers determined to experience the famed Folie Douce
Absolutely no need for people to ski down there though it may be most direct route from Merihell or Les Manure. Just take the easier run to the bridge in VT and take the Soleil lift up.
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I’m still trying to work out what @Weathercam, was doing with 3 rugby players……
Clearly people here have never been at the bottom of the slopes at St Anton at 7pm watching folk wobbling down from the Moose or KK or joined in the mayhem with folk attempting to ski down from Paznauner Thaya at Ischgl attempting to make the last lift which is not a simple slide down the slopes! No namby pamby Follie Douce in Austria
KK is no more....wonder what's coming in it's place??
Paznauner Thaya is legendary, we tend to grab a barrel near the entrance so we can get THAT lift back to Holboden in time! (be interesting with the new lifts this season)
And the run down from Eugens or new Panorama in Solden would have the Follie Deuce regulars calling Daddy to be airlifted off the mountain!!
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@Dave of the Marmottes, that’s very useful to have pointed out as my student daughter is going there shortly and no doubt might be shepherding unwary newbies her usual route otherwise!
I suspect the yard sales will still continue regardless
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Never been to 3V and this isn’t making me want to go!!
Your loss @japes1275 Bit odd to let an exaggerated report of wild après ski put you off an amazing, endless ski area with 600km of piste!
Reader's tip: Starting early and finishing by about 2.30/3.00pm would probably ensure you weren't tempted to join in with the frivolity
It's not for me either - but it's actually easy enough to ski past!
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Dave of the Marmottes wrote:
Absolutely no need for people to ski down there though it may be most direct route from Merihell or Les Manure. Just take the easier run to the bridge in VT and take the Soleil lift up.
Where is Soleil? I thought it was Plein Sud or Pionniers that took you up to the Folie Douce.
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Dave of the Marmottes wrote:
Absolutely no need for people to ski down there though it may be most direct route from Merihell or Les Manure. Just take the easier run to the bridge in VT and take the Soleil lift up.
Where is Soleil? I thought it was Plein Sud or Pionniers that took you up to the Folie Douce.
You’re right actually — it just never occurred to me as I have always approached it from above!
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I couldn't remember the name - thought it was plein soleil. Plein Sud it is - anyway that lift on the left with the dual loading that for some reason the lifties always like to rope off so everyone has to wait longer.
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@Dave of the Marmottes, that’s very useful to have pointed out as my student daughter is going there shortly and no doubt might be shepherding unwary newbies her usual route otherwise!
I suspect the yard sales will still continue regardless
Worth bearing in mind that the bottom bit of the run past the Oxalys and Hashmir is not a picnic for beginners once it gets bumped up. May be more a spring thing though.
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rjs wrote:
Dave of the Marmottes wrote:
Absolutely no need for people to ski down there though it may be most direct route from Merihell or Les Manure. Just take the easier run to the bridge in VT and take the Soleil lift up.
Where is Soleil? I thought it was Plein Sud or Pionniers that took you up to the Folie Douce.
Pioneers seems to be regularly subject to bag checks for illicit alcohol at around Folie o'clock. Most inconvenient if you're going up to sit on a rock with a picnic and watch the carnage at kicking out time.
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SchnappsHans-Alm in Zell on NYE, with champagne bottles being opened with a sword, and then a 'leisurely' blue into the black down to the CityXpress talstation. In the dark.
Amazed I've not seen/been more human wreckage over the years I've been doing that little tradition.
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On the Folie Douce website it says that the place closes at 5pm - how does this even qualify as apres-ski ? The lifts have barely shut at 5pm. At least places like the Moose and KK in St Anton have the decency to stay open till 8pm (that's actually last orders, they stay open a bit longer in reality) so you can ski a full day before you start partying.
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adithorp wrote:
rjs wrote:
Dave of the Marmottes wrote:
Absolutely no need for people to ski down there though it may be most direct route from Merihell or Les Manure. Just take the easier run to the bridge in VT and take the Soleil lift up.
Where is Soleil? I thought it was Plein Sud or Pionniers that took you up to the Folie Douce.
Pioneers seems to be regularly subject to bag checks for illicit alcohol at around Folie o'clock. Most inconvenient if you're going up to sit on a rock with a picnic and watch the carnage at kicking out time.
Did see bouncers at Plein Sud at least once but then I don't use that lift much. Never got checked at Pioneers. I'd like to put it down to clearly looking like a serious skier but reality was probably they were profiling on the "he's too old and knackered to be freeloading on the Folie". Anyway the obvious hack is hip flask secured in your transceiver harness.
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I have been stopped at Pionniers, had been on the stade with a big backpack.
Been checked on Pionniers and I'm old and knackered.
I think it's pretty random.
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@Layne, where were the "bouncers" checking your bags?
must admit i never noticed any bag checking going on last couple of times at VT, apart from the security staff at chalet bar 360, but this was entering the separate apres ski venue that is barriered off.
what right would any "bouncer" have to check bags getting on or off lifts (if this was the case), even if they offload near their venue, they do not own the lifts as far as i am aware!!
personally i would tell them to feck off if i was carrying a bag, as i have no interest in going to folies anyway
@terrygasson, at the funnel before going through the pass scanner.
We all carry rucksacks (for probe, shovel, etc.)
This would be late afternoon as we were returning to Les Men.
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@Layne, but what legal right have they to check your bags, if you say "non" can they stop you from entering the lift?
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I’ve had my bags checked as well. Given I’m the wrong side of 60 was quite surprised. I think they’re checking for glass bottles possibly to avoid them being chucked when on the lift.
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@Layne, but what legal right have they to check your bags, if you say "non" can they stop you from entering the lift?
Well it's all very well asserting your rights. But if the guys from SETAM are aligned you're not getting on the lift and if they end up stopping it then you'll end up with the pressure of a big angry crowd behind you.
The only way I can see it working is if you organise sufficient numbers to refuse a search that it really starts an operational problem for them in shutting down the lifts. And of course you'd better not have any booze on you when the gendarmes turn up.
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Bit odd to let an exaggerated report of wild après ski put you off an amazing, endless ski area with 600km of piste!
