 Poster: A snowHead
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I had Carrie Neige last year. Got me off the mountain into the ambulance and I didn’t have to pay.
Paid with the doctor, the x-ray and then claim back on my UK insurance for that
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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@david n, that is a key advantage of Carré/Carte Neige. The mountain rescue claims directly from CN rather than you (your credit card reimbursed by insurer).
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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@MAthert,
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Thanks, I just found the English version. Wording seems a bit ambiguous.
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Excluded 9. Repatriation of residents in geographical Europe (outside France)
beyond the 31st day of staying at
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That seems quite clear to me, they will not cover repatriation after the 31st day of your trip.
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Always reccomend buying carre neige. When mrsthecramps had her fall, they paid off mountain, medical centre, ambulance, hospital and pharmacy fees and expenses, and unused 3 days of lift pass within 7-10 days of us getting home. No quibbles. Keep all receipts and documentation in the event of accident. Everything else was covered by snowcard who paid up less excess.......eventually.
Carre neige is cheap as chips and it works. Why wouldn't you get it?
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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@thecramps, because when I broke my leg I didn't have to pay a penny, snowcard covered everything directly including 6 days in a private clinic and private ambulance for transfers. My friend got an instant refund on my lift pass by just walking up to the ticket office.
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@thecramps, ha ha...no I never lunched with the Queen... ...all business (Princess Royal a couple of times)
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@thecramps, my snowcard claim was long before Royal lunches..dunno what else I had that you didn't
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@holidayloverxx, Ah, I may have hit on the issue. Our Snowcard claim was within the last few years. 
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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@thecramps, 2013
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Ours was 2021 I think. Or 22.
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Piste rescue (in France at any rate) generally want paying right away. Mine kept my skis until my brother in law went and paid them, and retrieved the skis. It wasn't much - just a short sledge ride. For far away, off piste, or far from base rescues, it can be a fair bit. That's one advantage of Carré Neige - no payment up front.
We used Snowcard for many years. I recall some recent SHs reports suggesting they are not what they were.
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You know it makes sense.
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Piste rescue (in France at any rate) generally want paying right away. Mine kept my skis until my brother in law went and paid them, and retrieved the skis. It wasn't much - just a short sledge ride. For far away, off piste, or far from base rescues, it can be a fair bit. That's one advantage of Carré Neige - no payment up front.
We used Snowcard for many years. I recall some recent SHs reports suggesting they are not what they were. |
Complete opposite experience in our case, my wife and I over many years have had 4 Piste rescues in the PDS (Chatel twice and Morzine/Les Gets twice) including a helicopter recovery for me. On no occasion was payment required before rescue. At end of rescue before hand over ID and email address was requested. Invoices followed some weeks later by email which I forwarded to my insurance company who paid them direct. Completely hassle free.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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If I’m interested in the season long Carre Neige, which level of cover do I need for piste & off piste rescue?
I’m not clear what the increased premiums are for
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Poster: A snowHead
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On no occasion was payment required before rescue.
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Oh no, sorry, I expressed myself badly. You get rescued first, and the money discussion comes later.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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@rickboden, I think you're confused. If I understand it right there are 3 options in France.
Carre Neige. Insurance. Savoie region only. Daily rate.
Carre Neige 4 Saisons. Insurance. Savoie region only. Fixed annual price.
Carte Neige. Annual Licence under the French Ski Federation. Includes insurance. Different levels of licence. Different levels of cover.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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@ecureuil, @rickboden,
I believe Snowrisk cover Haute-Savoie and other companies cover Massif Central and French Pyrenees.
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@rickboden, Carré Neige covers Savoie. You can buy it in resort at the lift pass office and it's charged at a capped, flat daily rate (3€50/person/day). It covers accidents while skiing or doing other winter sports in the ski area including the off-piste ski area that is accessible via ski-lift, sickness during your stay and if you are 'immobilised' as a result of an accident while skiing or doing other winter sports. « Carré Neige » will cover your repatriation. https://carreneige.com/en/
Or you can sign up for Ski a la Carte, which is a scheme for buying day-lift-passes similar to electronic toll collection on motorways - you are charged when you enter the lift system. Subscription to Ski a la Carte for adults (18-64 years old) costs €29 per year, subscription for seniors citizens (65 years and over) costs €15 per year. You can add Carré Neige Liberté insurance to Ski a la Carte for €19 for the whole Winter. https://www.skialacarte.fr/gb/
You would need to look at the Savoie resorts covered by Ski a la Carte and do the math to see if it is worth if for you.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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@rickboden, for a season we always get the Carte Neige. More comprehensive than the carre neige (all year round, full off-piste (not just lift access), multi sport, Europe wide, repatriation, transport etc). https://monespace.ffs.fr (this years price with the medium level cover is €76.40).
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Thank you everyone for your kind responses.
Firstly, let me say I am not looking at the Ski à la carte lift pass system. We’ve already calculated this and unfortunately it’s not worth it due to the free lift passes included in the bashes that I’m going on.
My situation is that I love to ski off piste and quite often with a guide, but not always. My travel insurance covers me for Skiing off piste with or without a guide, but it is not touring type insurance so my cover is limited to the extent of the ski resort. Due to this, I also have AAC insurance which will rescue me from pretty much anywhere in the mountains. That said I am not sure about the protocol of paying for the helicopter myself and claiming or it just being billed directly to the insurers.
My credit card would probably carry it, but if it were a nominal cost, I would take out Rescue insurance however also I am going to be skiing in the Savoie, Les Hautes Alpes and the Dolomites i’m guessing that multiple versions of CN or equivalent would be required so it’s looking like I will just rely on my normal travel insurance plus AAC cover.
If anyone has any great suggestions, please chuck them at me.
Tyvm 
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I went through the whole process. What's not clear is the full cost. It was nearly €100, half was for an individual licence that you have to buy, and then the other for the top level insurance. Cheaper to pay €3.50 a day generally.
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But I thought it had been established that you DON'T have to buy the individual licence?
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| Boofont wrote: |
| I went through the whole process. |
Which whole process?
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Sorry, the carte neige season insurance.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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@Origen, I didn't see an option to not take it. I followed the guide that @Crosbie gave. I may have missed something, I'll try again.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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| @Origen, I didn't see an option to not take it. I followed the guide that @Crosbie gave. I may have missed something, I'll try again. |
You haven't missed anything. You need to buy a licence, the cheaper insurance options may be enough though.
If you only want to ski in Savoie then the Carré Neige 4 Saisons policy could be an alternative.
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@rjs, OK. Thanks.
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You know it makes sense.
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Carte Neige is the annual licence to ski or engage in other comparable activities (solo or in a club whether recreationally or competitively), to which you add an appropriate degree of insurance, the minimum being 3rd party liability.
There are three additional levels of insurance: Primo, Medium or Optimum. The first and cheapeast, Primo, will be most equivalent to the daily carré neige.
Like a season ski pass vs weekly/daily pass, you have to perform a cost benefit analysis to see whether Carte or Carré* Neige best meets your needs (even in addition to the insurance you may already have).
* daily, weekly, 4 saisons, etc.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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@Crosbie, Thanks. I think we got the insurance bit but certainly for me what was not clear was that there are two elements, the basic licence which seems to do nothing, then the bolt insurance which is what most, if not all, of us are after. I think the basic insurance was €16, then plus the €49 or whatever it was. Need to ski 18 days or more to make it work.
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Poster: A snowHead
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| @Crosbie, Thanks. I think we got the insurance bit but certainly for me what was not clear was that there are two elements, the basic licence which seems to do nothing, then the bolt insurance which is what most, if not all, of us are after. I think the basic insurance was €16, then plus the €49 or whatever it was. Need to ski 18 days or more to make it work. |
Despite lip-service to liberté, in France you need a licence for pretty much anything. The French are therefore quite used to the idea of a licence, whether to knit in a knitting club, or mountaineer in a mountaineering club. And pretty much nothing interactive/team/competitive can occur in France without all parties being suitably licenced.
So, the idea of a 'licence to ski' may well be alien to Brits (offensive even), but the French seem comfortable with the idea that to participate in an activity, the licence comes first, and insurance is concomitant.
Carte Neige is not insurance. It is a licence (requiring insurance).
Sure, in France or UK you can get annual wintersports insurance without a licence (that includes mountain rescue expenses), but it isn't Carte Neige.
If you want the no-quibble, mountain-rescue 'charge card', then it has to be Carte/Carré Neige. That's just the way it is. 
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