 Poster: A snowHead
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I'm 177cm, I weigh about 75kg. Having skiied 369 days over 20 odd years I ski reasonably well for a punter, but I'm not a racer and do have bad habits. My CARV score is 130, but that's based on a few days use without an account so no deep insights. I can carve in good conditions but honestly, speed frightens me these days and when it gets steep and/or hard I get skiddy.
I already have a pair of Wed'ze Patrol 95s - 175m, 95mm underfoot which are great for most usae -0 but I am considering another pair of skis for days when the conditions dictate we'll be on piste all day. I could use the Patrols, but hey new skis and all that.
I've found options, but there are way too many, and I'm getting confused by the vaiour options including what looks like mutiple version of the "same ski". I was thinking of skis in the 165 - 170 cm range, with a wasit around 72-74 mm - maybe smaller
This is what caught my eye originally
https://www.ekosport.co.uk/head-worldcup-rebels-e-xsr-pr-10-gw-promo-brake-85-p-9-176231
but it's now £375, whereas when I saw it first, it was about £300.
I'll be honest, I was only looking to spend £250 - £300, because that's the size of the fund I have available having sold a couple of older pairs of skis and scrounged some other money together.
For those familiar with skis such as I describe, do you think any of these might be suitable for me?
https://usedski.co.uk/skis?sort=p.price&order=ASC&ff5=14&ff6=19&fq=1
This pair caught my eye in particular
https://usedski.co.uk/skis?product_id=6061
Or have you seen any stonking bargains online anywhere?
Muchos thankos!
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Those eXSR's are soft, i tried some that a friend of mine hired as a "premium" ski in march. Given I am 186cm and 100kg and had just been on some 93 enforcers so most skis would feel soft but I honestly felt like I was skiing in my boots with no skis on. I had to swap back before doing anything challenging. The Salomons would be a better option if you want something for groomers might be hard work later in the day though. My all round holiday ski I settled on for now is a volkl deacon black 76 pro, does everything I want from these slalom style skis but they are more forgiving shape and flex in the tails which makes them easier towards the end of the day. Put the enforcers to shame in that respect,.I found them really hard work in the bumps, tails were really stiff, likewise had no desire to use the rossi st ti when I had the volkls with me. I suppose you would be looking at like rossi lt master or dynastar speed master for a similar ski to the volkl I have in a different brand but im not completely sure. I picked up the volkls in almost perfect condition for £150 on ebay a couple of years ago at the end of season, couldnt believe my luck.
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@nbt, that usedski.co.uk is a suspicious looking website. No mail address and a Bulgarian phone number 
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Ski hire shops are full of these types of ski – try a few out and see what suits you. If you go too stiff or too heavy, you might find them tiring for a full day, but equally, too soft won't be much fun either. All the early season ski tests will be mostly piste skis too.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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@Glosterwolf, that's useful thanks. It was all the various ROssi options (master, hero, athlete, FIS etc etc) that got me confused in the first place.
@altis, good point thanks - I checked it out on WhoIs and it's been running since 2016. The copyright notice links it to kupiski.com which is the same website in bulgarian, and which has been running since 2013. Given that, it looks like an outfit selling ex-rental skis to bulgaria who branched out into the UK market
@Scarlet, thanks but I am not sure I want to go into the hiring and trying route, I'll be honest I'm very very indecisive so I'd quite possibly end up buying whatever I treied - or nothing at all!
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With similar requirements I narrowed choice down to 3 and took a punt on one of them when I saw a really good deal. Not regretted it for a second.
Dynastar 763 konnect. Skis really well when pushing (not full fat gs level but...) but also nice when just bimbleing about (ie. They don't go into a sulk if i slow down and try to kill me as soon as my backs turned like the previous Nordicas doberman ti i had). Since then @k, tried the womens version, instantly loved them and now has a set.
I think last seasons and the previous were just a top sheet change. So you might find a good deal.
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@adithorp, I'm currently looking at those Dynastars but haven't had the opportunity to try them, would you mind saying what other options you investigated? I'm a bit torn between something a bit more slalom based (loved the Rossignal hero elite St Ti) but think the 763 might be a better every day ski and a step up from my Salomon smax 10s. I also tried the Dobermann Multigara DC which were just too much, I hated them !
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@richb67, I think the Dynastar 763 is what the Speed Zone 12 Ti evolved into.
I have the SZ12 which are excellent. I'm 179cm and 65kg....and as I really like a slalom sidecut, I went for the 158 which has a radius of 12m. As I think the lengths / radius are the same for the 763 and you are a little heavier, you could also consider the 166 @ 13m.
My Daughter also has a pair of the SZ12 and likes them.
It should be a great addition to your shortlist.
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@adithorp, tha's really interesting thanks, will keep an eye out for them
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@richb67, the Dynastar, the Rossington equivalent (out of the same factory, can't remember the model name) and Atomic Redster someting or other.
A certain instructor of this parish said...
"I love my Dynastars as a go to, do everything... Really easy in the bumps, some pop but not too much. Out of the box they were super grippy and wnough performance without being too fast or stiff"
...and of the Redsters
"I tried to go higher performance with a pair of Atomic Redsters. They are awesome at longs, gotta work em and stay on em for shorts, and impossible in the bumps!"
@Old Fartbag, yes AIUI they are the SZ12ti replacement but from my brief trial of those (good) I prefer these.
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| adithorp wrote: |
@Old Fartbag, yes AIUI they are the SZ12ti replacement but from my brief trial of those (good) I prefer these. |
That's good to hear...one hopes that new versions improve on the older ones.
I go from the sublime to the ridiculous, as I have some Scott "The Ski" in a 180 for AM use. Swapping between the two takes some adjustment.
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thanks @Old Fartbag, and @adithorp,
I am a bit stuck on what length to go for, the 166 seems short and the 174 a bit long but I'm sure that's always the case. I tried the Rossignol that I liked in a 167 but coincidentally had a lesson that day and my instructor thought the next size up would be better. I'm 74 kg, ca 182cm and intermediate - early advanced but I'm not a speed freak, decisions, decisions....
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| richb67 wrote: |
thanks @Old Fartbag, and @adithorp,
I am a bit stuck on what length to go for, the 166 seems short and the 174 a bit long but I'm sure that's always the case. I tried the Rossignol that I liked in a 167 but coincidentally had a lesson that day and my instructor thought the next size up would be better. I'm 74 kg, ca 182cm and intermediate - early advanced but I'm not a speed freak, decisions, decisions.... |
FWIW. You won't overpower the Dynastar at whatever length you choose. If you like a more slalom feel, I think you would enjoy the 166. Sorry for being obvious, but remember, that any change in length is split between the front and back.....so a slightly longer ski isn't an issue as long as you can bend it.
Theoretically, your ideal length is somewhere between 169 and 174.....however, if going for the Dynastar, select the radius you are looking for (as long as you don't go above 174). My hunch is that the 166 would work well. Ideally you would try different lengths and pick the one that works best.
I'm much lighter, but probably more advanced...and am comfortable on a 170. The 158 is great fun, but not that versatile....and would be seen as a little short for my metrics - but it doesn't matter (to me), as preference also comes into the decision.
I can get away with 180 on the Scotts, as a] They are playful and have no metal and b] Have a front Rocker. I would avoid a 180 in something stiffer like a Blizzard.
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You know it makes sense.
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I'm 180cm and have the 174. Perfect for me however that's just my opinion.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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| richb67 wrote: |
| @adithorp, I'm currently looking at those Dynastars but haven't had the opportunity to try them, would you mind saying what other options you investigated? I'm a bit torn between something a bit more slalom based (loved the Rossignal hero elite St Ti) but think the 763 might be a better every day ski and a step up from my Salomon smax 10s. I also tried the Dobermann Multigara DC which were just too much, I hated them ! |
I just bought a pair of Rossy Master ST test skis from Ski d’occasion for €297 delivered to the PSB. I have bought many pairs of skis from them over the years and they are great. I wanted to upgrade from the hero elite ST Tis I have as I’ve worn them out over the last 10 odd seasons.
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Poster: A snowHead
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@rickboden, thanks, I had a look on their site. I can currently get a new set of the Dynastar for Eur400 delivered to the UK which is what is tempting me, I figure if I don't like them I can sell them and not lose much. Last year it cost me Eur80 just to try two different skis.
@Old Fartbag, and @adithorp, thanks for the input, I'm leaning towards the 174.
Worst case I hate them and try some others skis whilst we're away.
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[quote="richb67"]@rickboden, thanks, I had a look on their site. I can currently get a new set of the Dynastar for Eur400 delivered to the UK which is what is tempting me, I figure if I don't like them I can sell them and not lose much. Last year it cost me Eur80 just to try two different skis.
Why pay for delivery to the UK? Have them sent to wherever you are going skiing (in Europe) and save the £45 delivery charge.
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@richb67, Let us know what you decide...and then how you get on with them.
The 174 has a very "general purpose" radius of 15, so should be versatile.
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@Old Fartbag, then again, everyone keeps whanging on about radius … Mrs U’s are I think 22m mine are 13m and hers are more skittery and easier to turn (or at least they were when new )
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Oh and mine are significantly harder to ski.
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@Old Fartbag, my point is only that radius is only a very singular dimension so I wouldnot let that drive a decision.
Madame’s skis have rather more rocker.
Torsional rogidity , IMHO is the biggest dimension to a ski’s feel and no-one ever, ever quotes those numbers (as no punters* would ever understand)
* used advisedly
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@Old Fartbag, my point is only that radius is only a very singular dimension so I wouldnot let that drive a decision.
Madame’s skis have rather more rocker.
Torsional rogidity , IMHO is the biggest dimension to a ski’s feel and no-one ever, ever quotes those numbers (as no punters* would ever understand)
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It may be a "Very singular dimension", but for a 1 week / year skier, a ski with a 22m radius will take more work and more skill to push into Short Turns than a 13m/14m ski, however, an 18m/22m ski could be more relaxing at higher speed and longer turns than a 13m ski. IMO. These are important considerations when getting a new ski. A longer radius is often preferable for Off Piste
My 158 @ r12 is a totally different skiing experience to my 180 @ r18. That is (as you know) part down to radius, part to length, part to width, part down to construction and part to Rocker. Skis with a tight radius are either Short Slalom skis or have a very pronounced Sidecut, like Head Supershape....either way, they will feel very different to a GS radius ski, or a Freeride ski of 22m.
Someone with lots of skill can make anything work. The rest of us mere mortal are well advised to go for all the help we can get. 
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| Old Fartbag wrote: |
@richb67, Let us know what you decide...and then how you get on with them.
The 174 has a very "general purpose" radius of 15, so should be versatile. |
yes, that's what i was thinking, pretty much a replacement for the Salomon smax 10 Just placed the order...
I might try some a shorter radius when we're on hols. Madonna di Campiglio has a place with a great selection of used skis.
thanks guys
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