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I have a pair of the p3s (178). glad to hear you like em. I think you get used to the upturned tail after a couple of days. Of course I suppose when you're an instructor you have to employ appropriate technique and not skid about the place 
They are reasonably stiff about as stiff as the k2 public enemy, but they do like to turn a good bit more (16m radius in a 178). Do you know where the bindings were mounted. I know there is a mark on the sidewall but I'm pretty sure its not mid-sole. Interesting to hear they made them softer in the tails and tips for next year, I thought it was merely a cosmetic change.
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easiski, Where did you hear they softened them up for 2007 - none of my research on these has suggested a change and all the specs also seem the same?
I take it you rode the 2006 model with the black topsheet and green base?
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easiski, sorry, no time to go and search, are the P3 fat? And will Jutta still have the 168 at the PSB?
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eng_ch, The 2005 P3s were 76 waist in the 165 (they came in 155, 165, 175 and 185). The 2006 and 2007 (which come in 168, 178 and 185) are 80 mm in the 168cm.
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easiski, you can always take a hacksaw to the twin-tip and seal it all with epoxy. I've seen guides do that so they can attach skins more easily. Doubt it makes much difference to performance, especially on hard snow
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My 05/06 scott p3s are 82mm in the waist (178 16m radius. )
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the dimensions are exactly the same for next years though it is very much a possibility that they have changed the flex in the tips and tails as Easiski has suggested. I really can't rate these skis any more highly.
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skibomb, Jutta has them in stock, and she told me that they have shortened the stiffening sheet front and back. I don't think a lot, but a little. She also tells me that two of the top freestylers in France ski on P3s, but this may change if they're softer. Aparently, being stiffer, they give you excellent "ping" out of the pipe? Personally I'm happy never to leave the ground.  You're right - typo in the title line - 2006 ski, quite nice plain graphics.
Arno, I wouldn't go that far..
eng_ch, She's sure to have them to hire for the PSB. I we can get hold of some B3s in the shorter length would they interest you too? While I ws in the shop Stephan Eyraud came in on holiday (he used to live here, and long time freeriders will know his name) - he skis on B3s and says they're great. Mind you: he's a great skier himself so ...
I don't know that I'd buy them - I still prefer the Scott Aztec Pro, but they'd be on the list.
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I know Laurent Favre skis on P3s and he is not only a big name in France but Worldwide, granted not as much of a big name when compared with Tanner Hall, Pep fujas, Jon Olsson, but a great skeir nonetheless, I think he has a segment in War or Hit list on Dvd. I can't remember who else skis for scott, their website is awful in that it lists everyone who uses any scott product ie goggles. Which means there are just too many names.
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Edmundh009, yes - laurent Favre was one, can't remember the other - sorry. Don''t forget that there are skiing films made in other languages! The guys who are well known that you mentioned don't feature in French films - just depends on where you are doesn't it???
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You know it makes sense.
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I do know that there are other ski film companies but Matchstick Productions and Poor Boys do dominate the market. Regimne Change make alot of films based in Europe but they don't have the big budget of the likes of matchstick so the footage isn't always as good.
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easiski, Interesting to hear about the possible changes. I understand that this range of Scott skis hasn't really been available in the USA so far, so I suppose there might be a logic to freestyle-friendly alterations when attempting to get them to break into the North-american market this winter...
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Poster: A snowHead
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ARGHHHHH, twin tip abuse, I can't take it!!!!!
Now..... at the risk of being shot down in flames here (which I know I will be), twin tips were designed for PARK use not really all mountain, thats why there are other less turned up skis and normal skis, for piste lovers.
Scott P3's are a load of old crusty pants, a mate has them and he far prefers my dynies. I prefer my dynies and his K2's lol (yes, I know were strange, thats why we do freestyle)
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adam_button, if you want to avoid being shot down in flames, the best way is to keep opinions as opinions, and not make them out as facts.
I can assure you that many twin tips were not designed for the park - such as the K2 Seth Vicious.
Tell me, what made the P3s "Crusty old pants", cause it's not a technical description I've read before! A bit of description, rather than emotion, and you might not get flamed!
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I have to say having tried rossignol scratch fs, Volkl dogen, K2 public enemys, Atomic Urban Triplets and head mojos, I still prefer the scott p3s (178), Were the ones you tried a 168. I know a girl that has the 168 and she too does love em. I have yet to hear a bad word said about them, crusty old pants I think not.
Plus are you really forgetting about all the backcountry freestyle skis out there such as The seth (mentioned above), Ak Enemy, Rossignol Scratch BC, Line Mothership , Line prophet series (80,90,100 and 130), Line Ellizabeth, Dynastar Big Trouble, Atomic Thug, k2 Pontoon, Armada ant, Armada Jp vd Julien, Scott p4, Volkl Karma, Salomon teneighty gun and to a certain extent the teneighty foil.
There arent really that many park specific skis as such that don't function well on other terrain, apart from something like an armada t. Hall (05/06) which has been detuned underfoot, which incidently has been changed this year to be more versatile ie; not detuned underfoot.
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TBH I don't see the need for twin tips unless you're going in the park. I fail to see why so many manufacturers have jumped on this bandwagon, but it's a fashion thing.
I find them inconvenient: they don't fit in ski racks, they don't lean against walls securely, you trip over the tails (well I do), and if you're clearly not a parker then you look silly carrying them. I like to be able to "put my money where my mouth is" and hate to be thought an old poser.
I prefer the very slightly upturned tails of the Movement Demon Flame or my Zags. Just enough to make skiing backwards easy, but not enough to be inconvenient!
Having said all that the skis in question are, of course, park skis; so the point is moot.
adam_button, Please elucidate. I've never met anyone who can actually ski who hasn't liked them ....
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FYI Just heard through a Scott rep that the P3 flex hasn't changed from 06 to 07. It's just new graphics.
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I'd agree it looks a paint job, thats all....
Last years were black and this years are almsot white with a bit of colour on the tails. Rated with good edge hold but light enough to throw around. 82mm waist.
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Who makes Scott's skis? Fischer?
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DB, I have no idea. Do they have to be made by someone else?
skibomb, That's excellent news!
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| easiski wrote: |
| DB, I have no idea. Do they have to be made by someone else? |
It's just that I remember being in a ski shop and the sales guy was pushing Scott skis. I said Scott isn't a name I'd normally associate with good quality skis (mountain bikes yes). He said they were just badge engineered by one of the big ski names - I just can't remember who  and would be interested to know if anyone does know and can confirm what he told me either way.
PS Are the P3's dual radius? if so in your opinion is it a gimick or is it an effective feauture?
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DB, No - I'm sure they're not dual radius. I tried one of the first pairs of Scott skis about 10 years ago? Really short curvy carvers - I didn't like them because they turned too easily - well I was still on long skis at the time! I've never heard they were made by anyone else, but that that doesn't necessarily mean anything. 
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easiski,
Strange just checked and Scott have the P3's as "dual radius" on their site. A number of shop web pages have "dual radius" in their description too. Maybe we are talking about different model / year of ski, is it this one
http://www.scottusa.com/product.php?UID=8929
I'm interested to know if the dual radius is a gimmick or not.
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DB, what is dual radius supposed to be?
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You know it makes sense.
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DB, well I don't know if it makes much difference. I think (but may be wrong, not being a techie) that it's a question of where you mounta the bindings which changes the natural radius of the ski. The ones I tried were the black and green previous model, and I didn't pay any attention to which ski went on which foot or anything like that. With the Aztec etc there are just a couple of lines where centre ski used to be. The tech info on the website is woefully inadequate, so I suspect it's just a bit of a gimmick, because it's now been well established that you can change the characteristics of the ski to a degree by where you mount the bindings, whether it's official or not!
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eng_ch / easiski,
I'm trying to work out what this dual radius is too. Remember reading something about dual radius sometime ago and thinking how does that work?
found this on epic http://forums.epicski.com/showthread.php?t=35748
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| It has what Scott calls Dual Radius. The front part of the ski has a shallower turning radius than the back, 15 vs. 14 I think. They don’t explain this well on their website. Which means some heel pressure will bring the ski around quickly. |
which only makes me even more confused
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Poster: A snowHead
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DB, I never read Epic for that very reason! Of course heel pressure will bring the ski around quickly - it's called skidding! Seriously, I would ignore the whole question. They ar very nice skis though, and this year's are quite pretty.
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| easiski wrote: |
| Of course heel pressure will bring the ski around quickly - it's called skidding! |
Classic 
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Interesting discussions and concepts of course. But what's wrong with skidding anyway?!
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skibomb, Nothing if you mean to do it, do it in a controlled manner etc. Most peeps, however, skid because they don't ski properly, force the ski round the corner by skidding the tails and wasting oodles of energy in the process (oh yes, and being out of control to boot).
Rally Drivers can skid their cars very efficiently and in a much more controlled manner than you or I. I would think I can skid pretty efficiently on skis too; but skis, like a car, are only properly in control when going forward under acceleration.
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| skibomb wrote: |
| Interesting discussions and concepts of course. But what's wrong with skidding anyway?! |
It's like picking your nose, most people do it but there's a time and a place for everything. 
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FAQ
I had the same problem with the Scratchs. Now if they made them with a less upturned tail, I wouldn't mind a pair.
