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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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@shep, hmmm, as I read the rules, we should be ok, no idea how it's going to work though!
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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I'm not holding my breath 
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You need to Login to know who's really who.
You need to Login to know who's really who.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Yes but if the e-gates can't read them, we will have to queue anyway, and possibly every time, unlike EES holders who will probably be able to use the e-gates after queuing the first time.
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You'll need to Register first of course.
You'll need to Register first of course.
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I guess we're all going to find out after Oct (unless pushed back again of course!) but my understanding is EES doesn't have anything directly to do with the e-gates.
EES basically just automates the current queue/hand over passport/passport scanned/photo human-checked/passport physically stamped and returned cycle.
That would now be queue/automated finger print + photo scan/compare to stored values/queue again/walk through second, passive scanning point right in front of boarder guard that will flag you to them as either 'pass' or 'stop'/either get waved passed or stopped for an 'interview'.
As such there should still be separate EU/EEC and 'others' manned passport desks and a non e-passport EU/EEC person would still join the EU/EEC queue and show their ID to a human. Only Brits and other 'others' will have to play with the EES machines before seeing their human.
Brit's being able to use the e-gates to just self-scan through is a right lost by leaving the EU and something that's being negotiated separately to regain. If we got that it would be EES machines/3-gate/gate either opened or you get 'locked in' and invited for an interview.
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The last time I came through Geneva with skis was a long time ago but someone managed to take my ski bag instead of theirs ..they returned it on the way home minus a pair of poles ...make sure the bag is EASILY identifiable
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@Mjit, the process you describe is basically what happens with US Global Entry - pre-register once with lots of data, thereafter biometric scan + human check. It's 10-100x faster than the old manual process (which is basically the current EU process). I enter the US as an "alien" faster than I enter the UK, I've never waited more than 60seconds at immigration vs it could be 1-2hrs in the old days.
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You'll get to see more forums and be part of the best ski club on the net.
You'll get to see more forums and be part of the best ski club on the net.
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My flight in April I walked straight to passport control and there was no queue at all, other snowheads on a flight a few hours later had about a 45 minute wait...so there's no hard and fast rule for how long it takes.
Baggage is similar, the skis were already waiting but the other bag took a little longer (as someone else had a bag which got stuck on the conveyor and blocked everything). Again, it can be the other way round where it's the ski bag you wait for.
In general though it's a fairly reasonable trip through, but if there's a slightly less rushed option then I'd say it's worth taking it as you're probably not gaining a great deal getting to resort that little earlier.
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In March this year the bags we're our critical path to getting out of the airport. Got through passport control in about 20 mins thinking we we're doing well and then waited another 40 mins for the bags. Regular bags, no oversized at all.
It is all a bit of a lottery.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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| @shep, hmmm, as I read the rules, we should be ok, no idea how it's going to work though! |
Connexion Magazine (for brits in France) reported today on info they gleaned from the French Interior Ministry. Here's an excerpt:
"Have you been able to adapt the Parafe gates so that they can still be used by British, American etc nationals who live in France with residency permits and/or long-stay visas? [as is currently permitted]. Or will they be required to go via a border guard’s booth to show their residence permit or passport and thus prove that they are not subject to the EES?
Once the EES comes into service, non-Schengen nationals on long-stay residency permits in France will no longer be able to use the Parafe gates.
We are aware of the implications of this measure and the government is working towards allowing these individuals to use an automated route through passport control. At this stage, work is ongoing. [Editor’s note: this means, at least initially, those with long-stay residency permits will probably have to use the ‘other passports’ lane to pass a border guard’s booth.]
Residency permit (or long-stay visa) holders will not be required to use pre-registration devices. Will you try to ensure that access to these devices is located slightly away from the actual passport queues to minimise waiting times for people who are not affected by EES?
Each border crossing site managing body will be free to organise a specific way to route members of the public eligible for EES, who may be directed to pre-registration facilities, and the non-eligible members of the public, who will be sent directly towards border guards’ booths.
Will anything change with respect to use of EU or ‘other passport’ [non-EU/non-EEA/non-Swiss] queues?
The introduction of EES does not change the current organisation. There are currently no regulatory provisions allowing for the creation of dedicated queues for certain categories of third-country nationals."
I wonder how GVA will implement this? Perhaps time to brush up on our Mandarin to while away the time in the queue...
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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@shep, still a bit confused. If there are still passport officers at booths and we can still use them?
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@under a new name, So afaics, from 12 October, for French resident uk nationals (i.e. not subject to EES) entering Schengen via France, it looks like this:
- The right to use the e-gates is withdrawn indefinitely (do we currently have this at GVA? I've never tried, I just use the manned CH&EU line)
- Unless and until they develop a way for us to use the e-gates, we have to show passport and residence visa (CdS) to a border guard. There is no obligation for the " border-crossing site" to filter out those people needing to be first-time registered for EES, or those people who are EU resident, from the catch-all third-party nationals queue; these arrangements (or lack of them) are at the discretion of the local "managing-body".
I can't be bothered to try to find whether the Swiss have released any similar details, but GVA has since Brexit allowed us to use the CH&EU manned line, so hopefully this will continue. If not we could end up (unlike people registered for EES) queueing for hours with the global hoi-poloi just to show our residence visa 
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