 Poster: A snowHead
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| Dave of the Marmottes wrote: |
The whole thing is ridiculous. Helmets have been common for 25 years or more. IMV rightly so.
...I know anecdote is not data but seems pretty no brainer on the risk/inconvenience curve. |
It does seem a bit like bolting the stable door after all the horses have returned home of their own choice.
(Ps. nice pun)
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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| Legend. wrote: |
| Bergmeister wrote: |
| Legend. wrote: |
In 50 years people will look back at this and think people who were resistant to wearing helmets were nutters.
If you're lucky, maybe cool nutters....however it's unlikely.....  |
What about seat belts in vehicles? Many could say they've never had an accident in 40 years of driving...  |
Absolutely. The safety laws are not made for the individual people but the population on masse. |
Fractured skull was amongst the injuries that killed James Dean...
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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@adithorp, have your neck broken by having a Porsche 550 Spyder land on you was another.
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| qwerty360 wrote: |
| Statistically walking is more dangerous for head injuries than cycling (yes, this is a fact, regardless of how much you might dislike it, and yes, all cycling, not just road cycling! (even if mountain biking is A lot more dangerous for head injuries) and huge chunk of the risk in road cycling is cars (helmets make about as much difference as a lucky rabbits foot if 2 tons of metal hits you at 30+mph...) |
Stats schmats. You can use statistics to prove anything, forfty percent of people know that.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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| Bergmeister wrote: |
| What about seat belts in vehicles? Many could say they've never had an accident in 40 years of driving... |
Having had my first car accident last week (in 20 years of driving and 16 years of competing), I was very glad to have had belts (amongst other safety gear)
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@SnoodyMcFlude, what happened? 
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I always wear a helmet now. Not so when I started 30+ years ago but wants really an option back then.
I wonder what happens if you are stopping in Rosiere and happen to take a day trip over to La Thuile? Checks at the first Italian lift?!
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| bigtuboflard wrote: |
I always wear a helmet now. Not so when I started 30+ years ago but wants really an option back then.
I wonder what happens if you are stopping in Rosiere and happen to take a day trip over to La Thuile? Checks at the first Italian lift?! |
hopefully a sign before the worlds longest draglift 
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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To be fair it looked well greasy and you were sideways from from the first bend. Impressive lack of swearing though unless you were already unconscious.
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| Dave of the Marmottes wrote: |
| To be fair it looked well greasy and you were sideways from from the first bend. Impressive lack of swearing though unless you were already unconscious. |
Oh there was swearing, but I'd got it out my system before the actually impact...and the video cut before the understated "oops".
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You know it makes sense.
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@Alastair Pink, well that's going to change the holiday plans of a few people....although I suspect it won't be rigidly enforced as long as the skier looks cool.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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I know I am in the minority but that's a shame and to me unnecessary.
I don't think I've read anywhere, why now?
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Poster: A snowHead
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@Layne, my money would be on the promotion being tied to the expected influx of tourists over the Olympics.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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| It will be applied to all people on snow – skiers, snowboarders and also those on sledges & toboggans. |
Will be watching for XC skiers with interest then!
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Well, if its a way to finally make XC skiing interesting...
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| Richard_Sideways wrote: |
| @Layne, my money would be on the promotion being tied to the expected influx of tourists over the Olympics. |
+1
My thought too.
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| Boris wrote: |
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| It will be applied to all people on snow – skiers, snowboarders and also those on sledges & toboggans. |
Will be watching for XC skiers with interest then! |
And the snow shoe lot
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It certainly means that I'll never ski in Italy again, hopefully other countries don't follow suit.
No great loss, previously on the gnarbug there was a decent run of small moguls to the side of one of the pistes, semi offpiste, this year, even that had been pisted flat 
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| Alastair Pink wrote: |
| https://planetski.eu/2025/08/15/compulsory-wearing-of-ski-helmets-in-italy-confirmed/ |
Interesting to note that the sources quoted are still saying they "will be" made compulsory, still unable to quote any actual legislation...
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| tangowaggon wrote: |
| It certainly means that I'll never ski in Italy again, hopefully other countries don't follow suit. |
I sympathise.
What's weird is that they didn't really need to legislate it, given it has become highly fashionable, with the majority of skiers opting to wear a helmet. That should indicate that those who don't wear one, are really making a highly personal choice (at their liberty).
If it's a money earner the Italians are after, what I'd suggest instead is that helmets are made compulsory for all skiers who haven't reached a particular competence level (passed an officially approved exam). That means all competitive skiers are happy, because they are at liberty to remain helmet free, and instructors too, not least because they're about to get a fair bit of business from skiers who would prefer to not have to wear a helmet.
Anyway, from what I've read so far, the helmet law is yet to be ratified. There still remains hope.
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@Crosbie, There really doesn't exist any "officially approved exam". Sure, most ski schools offer grading systems, but they're not consistent even within one country, let alone internationally, and nobody apart from children will ever bother recording them or keeping any form of certification, so it would automatically exclude >90% of skiers from the whole country.
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@Chaletbeauroc, I guess Italy could thus start the ball rolling in creating an Italy->European->World recognised 'certificate of skiing proficiency'. 
Better still, just ditch the stupid helmet legislation.
It would be better to have Snowboard leash legislation, as at least that helps protect the innocent from lethal flying guillotines.
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I would just note that helmets are compulsory on motorbikes in many legislations 
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@Crosbie, please God no - not the License again! And certainly not as implemented by the Italians!
Perhaps this could be another USP for Alta/Deer Valley for their offering of an 'Authentic, traditional skiing experience' - ban helmets.
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@under a new name, and not compulsory on push bikes...which is equally irrelevant.
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You know it makes sense.
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| under a new name wrote: |
| I would just note that helmets are compulsory on motorbikes in many legislations |
I get this all the time as a skier that doesn't wear a helmet but a motorcyclist that does. The dynamics of skiing and motorcycling are very different
Skiing is hard work, I get hot & sweaty, and most of that sweat & excess heat comes out through my head, I can't stand even wearing a hat for 90% of the time I'm skiing.
I've fallen countless times & landed on my head or bumped my head many times, but never on anything harder than the polystyrene lining of a ski helmet, the vast majority of the surroundings are no harder than the lining of a ski helmet.
Riding a motorbike on public roads requires very little physical effort, 10'c when skiing is sweating your nads off, 10'c on a motorbike is frozen to the bone.
Fall off a motorbike and hit your head on something, it WILL be very hard, the vast majority of the surroundings are very much harder that the lining of a helmet.
When it's 25c+, it's far too hot to put a helmet & bike gear on, the bike stays in the garage.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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| Richard_Sideways wrote: |
| Perhaps this could be another USP for Alta/Deer Valley for their offering of an 'Authentic, traditional skiing experience' - ban helmets. |
It'll be a plus point for all resorts that permit helmet-less skiing, and indeed, as you say, a USP for those traditionalist resorts that sensibly ban 'Helmets of Invincibility' - given they encourage muppets to ski even further beyond their ability.
Fashions come & go. If not legislated, helmets will peter out like fartbag all-in-ones, as all the cool dudes start going helmet-less.
And then helmets will come back into fashion... etc.
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Poster: A snowHead
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@tangowaggon, FIFY
" some of The dynamics of skiing and motorcycling are somewhat different" ...
If your skiing is all that hard work, you are doing it wrong.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Hmm, risk compensation related to helmet use has been widely dismissed as a causal factor and doesn't change behaviour.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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@qwerty360, spot on about the minor injuries thing.
I've always worn a helmet (didn't start until 2018, I'm bald and I need a warm head).
I've had a few falls where I suspect I might have had a worry without a helmet but the one that really sticks out was a young kid cutting across the front of me from nowhere at really low speed. Snowboarding, I barrel rolled down the slope, dusted myself off and enjoyed the rest of the day. Completely no drama incident. I got in that night and saw a massive dint in the top of my helmet. Didn't even realise I'd hit my head.
Without a helmet, I suspect they'd have been carting me down to A&E.
As for mandating, whatever for me. I don't like enforcement stuff like that but I can see the logic as you point out.
If people don't like it then they'll ski / board elsewhere.
The percentage of people not wearing a helmet these days is tiny anyway.
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| paulhinch wrote: |
| I got in that night and saw a massive dint in the top of my helmet. Didn't even realise I'd hit my head. |
Did you buy a new one?
Actually thinking about it - what percentage loss of protection is there from smashing your helmet on the floor. I know they say you should replace it but....
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| Layne wrote: |
| paulhinch wrote: |
| I got in that night and saw a massive dint in the top of my helmet. Didn't even realise I'd hit my head. |
Did you buy a new one?
Actually thinking about it - what percentage loss of protection is there from smashing your helmet on the floor. I know they say you should replace it but.... |
Absolutely. Bought one the next day (and paid resort prices for it). Stung a bit but not as much as my head would have done without it.
I was amazed how much mess it had made of the helmet from such an innocuous incident that I literally jumped back up from, dusted myself off and carried on with my day.
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| paulhinch wrote: |
I've had a few falls where I suspect I might have had a worry without a helmet but the one that really sticks out was a young kid cutting across the front of me from nowhere at really low speed. Snowboarding, I barrel rolled down the slope, dusted myself off and enjoyed the rest of the day. Completely no drama incident. I got in that night and saw a massive dint in the top of my helmet. Didn't even realise I'd hit my head.
Without a helmet, I suspect they'd have been carting me down to A&E.
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As a skier, I didn’t hot my head even once learning. I didn’t hit my head in the subsequent 10+ year of skiing. Back then, helmet wasn’t a thing either.
It wasn’t until I decided to learn to snowboard that I had multiple rollovers! That quickly got me to invest in a helmet. Equally quickly I discovered how warm a helmet makes me.
I had since gone back to skiing. I continue wearing a helmet because I’ve gotten “soft” with regard to cold head! I don’t remember hitting my head since going back to skiing, but it’s been so many seasons I lost track.
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| abc wrote: |
| I don’t remember hitting my head. |
That is sometimes the case when you hit you head 
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| Richard_Sideways wrote: |
| Hmm, risk compensation related to helmet use has been widely dismissed as a causal factor and doesn't change behaviour. |
I think the "risk compensation doesnt happen" thing is absolute rubbish, how many people are saying they wouldn't ski without a helmet? That in itself is risk compensation.
I would frequently ride my motocross bike around the farm without a helmet, but I would ride far more carefully.
I've occasionally ridden into town on a motorbike with shorts, trainers & T shirt, but I have ridden more slowly & carefully.
I occasionally see lines through the snow, surrounded by rocks, but without head protection, I choose a safer route, I wish I could tolerate wearing a helmet, so I could feel more confident to take the better but more risky route.
Risk compensation doesn't happen?? Absolute, 100% rubbish!
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| Results of the case control study suggest that helmet-wearing participants were less likely to be involved in any type of traumatic accident (crude ORTBI=0.68; crude OROTHI=0.4; crude OR nonhead-injury=0.59). This result was expected for head injuries because it had already been reported by various studies.3–7 However, the reduced risk of nonhead injury was surprising because the helmet does not protect other parts of the body. This result suggests that helmet users take less risk than those who do not use helmets. This contradicts the “risk compensation theory,” which implies that the perception of being protected by the helmet might lead participants to take more risks |
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1016/j.wem.2017.11.007#core-bibr11-j-wem-2017-11-007-1
Which makes some sense - do people who mitigate risk take more risks, or do people who accept risk and don't mitigate it more likely to take additional risk, and previously discussed here about 7 years ago...
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@tangowaggon, hmmm, I think it's reversed. I don't typically ski faster with my helmet on, because for the situation, I'm usually skiing as fast as is reasonable.
I do think I ski a little more carefully without it though ...
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