 Poster: A snowHead
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| JDL65 wrote: |
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| If you want to see ball control go to a premier league game and watch the players warming up before the match , what they can do with a football is absolutely amazing. |
Their close ball skills are superb, it is true, but the quality of corner taking and shooting from the edge of the box is shockingly poor. |
I think the corner taking is affected by the fact that forwards are trying to find space, with defenders trying to deny them space. The corner taker has to second guess where their players will be, but get it wrong quite regularly. So the ball sails pretty much where it's intended, but the other players are no longer there.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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| DirkPitt wrote: |
| JDL65 wrote: |
| T Bar wrote: |
| If you want to see ball control go to a premier league game and watch the players warming up before the match , what they can do with a football is absolutely amazing. |
Their close ball skills are superb, it is true, but the quality of corner taking and shooting from the edge of the box is shockingly poor. |
I think the corner taking is affected by the fact that forwards are trying to find space, with defenders trying to deny them space. The corner taker has to second guess where their players will be, but get it wrong quite regularly. So the ball sails pretty much where it's intended, but the other players are no longer there. |
But that's down to setting up properly.
I'm not aware of specialist corner coaches, but it really is something that top teams should have. The defenders positions are 98% disctated by yhe position of attackers. Give each play a call, the corner taker then knows where to put the ball, and the other attackers know who will be going for that ball and who will be pulling defenders away from that space. That does not look like it happens at the moment, it's hit and hope. Very amateur.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| JDL65 wrote: |
| DirkPitt wrote: |
| JDL65 wrote: |
| T Bar wrote: |
| If you want to see ball control go to a premier league game and watch the players warming up before the match , what they can do with a football is absolutely amazing. |
Their close ball skills are superb, it is true, but the quality of corner taking and shooting from the edge of the box is shockingly poor. |
I think the corner taking is affected by the fact that forwards are trying to find space, with defenders trying to deny them space. The corner taker has to second guess where their players will be, but get it wrong quite regularly. So the ball sails pretty much where it's intended, but the other players are no longer there. |
But that's down to setting up properly.
I'm not aware of specialist corner coaches, but it really is something that top teams should have. The defenders positions are 98% disctated by yhe position of attackers. Give each play a call, the corner taker then knows where to put the ball, and the other attackers know who will be going for that ball and who will be pulling defenders away from that space. That does not look like it happens at the moment, it's hit and hope. Very amateur. |
You are really showing your ignorance. Have you heard of Joever?
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He never even liked skiing anyway!
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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| Noob921 wrote: |
| JDL65 wrote: |
| DirkPitt wrote: |
| JDL65 wrote: |
| T Bar wrote: |
| If you want to see ball control go to a premier league game and watch the players warming up before the match , what they can do with a football is absolutely amazing. |
Their close ball skills are superb, it is true, but the quality of corner taking and shooting from the edge of the box is shockingly poor. |
I think the corner taking is affected by the fact that forwards are trying to find space, with defenders trying to deny them space. The corner taker has to second guess where their players will be, but get it wrong quite regularly. So the ball sails pretty much where it's intended, but the other players are no longer there. |
But that's down to setting up properly.
I'm not aware of specialist corner coaches, but it really is something that top teams should have. The defenders positions are 98% disctated by yhe position of attackers. Give each play a call, the corner taker then knows where to put the ball, and the other attackers know who will be going for that ball and who will be pulling defenders away from that space. That does not look like it happens at the moment, it's hit and hope. Very amateur. |
You are really showing your ignorance. Have you heard of Joever? |
No more than 1/3rd of Premier League clubs have a set piece coach according to Google. Proves my point to a degree.
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| JDL65 wrote: |
| Noob921 wrote: |
| JDL65 wrote: |
| DirkPitt wrote: |
| JDL65 wrote: |
| T Bar wrote: |
| If you want to see ball control go to a premier league game and watch the players warming up before the match , what they can do with a football is absolutely amazing. |
Their close ball skills are superb, it is true, but the quality of corner taking and shooting from the edge of the box is shockingly poor. |
I think the corner taking is affected by the fact that forwards are trying to find space, with defenders trying to deny them space. The corner taker has to second guess where their players will be, but get it wrong quite regularly. So the ball sails pretty much where it's intended, but the other players are no longer there. |
But that's down to setting up properly.
I'm not aware of specialist corner coaches, but it really is something that top teams should have. The defenders positions are 98% disctated by yhe position of attackers. Give each play a call, the corner taker then knows where to put the ball, and the other attackers know who will be going for that ball and who will be pulling defenders away from that space. That does not look like it happens at the moment, it's hit and hope. Very amateur. |
You are really showing your ignorance. Have you heard of Joever? |
No more than 1/3rd of Premier League clubs have a set piece coach according to Google. Proves my point to a degree. |
The fact you had to google it says it all. You clearly know nothing about football tactics let alone high level setups.
“The defenders positions are 98% disctated by yhe position of attackers” is demonstrable nonsense when zonal marking exists.
Clubs in the championship have specialist set piece coaches never mind the premier league. And even if not all teams have a coach whose job title is “set piece coach, every elite team has data analysts, video analysts and coaches who all study and specialise in set pieces extensively.
Quite astonishing you make such bold statements that you have to try to back up with google. You have made yourself look rather silly to anyone who actually follows football. It’s always funny to see a casual criticise the pros.
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I thought this thread was about Andy Murray behaving like a complete plonker up a mountain. 
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You never know where the plonkers are going to be found, @KSH.
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Harking back to the OP, at least Andy Murray was honest about his mistake, and certainly learned from it. How many armchair experts have we heard say "Skiing? That's easy, strap a couple of planks to your feet, point yourself downhill, and let gravity do all the work. You don't even have to climb up the mountains to do it, there's chairs and stuff that carry you up there."
The funniest story I was told, first hand, was by a young lady, a keen skier, who asked her new boyfriend if he'd like to join her on a trip. She asked him if he'd skied before, and he bluffed it, telling her he'd been a few times, and laughingly saying he'd watched Ski Sunday since he was a kid. Anyway, off they went to resort, picked up hired skis, boots and poles, and the following day they had their first day on the slopes. "I did wonder when he came down to the boot room, in jeans, t-shirt, thick Arran jumper, and leather jacket, but he was a really funny guy, and I thought he was having a laugh being like Jeremy Clarkson. We went up in a gondola, and when we got off at the top and I stepped into my skis, I turned and looked at him and he just had a look of horror and panic on his face, holding his skis. It was at that point he told me he'd never skied before, and didn't think we'd actually be doing it. He thought we'd be having a romantic week in the snow, snuggled up next a roaring fire and enjoying apres drinks etc. Well, I told him, F*** you! I'm here to ski! And the last I saw of him was getting back on the gondola to go back down. I skied all day in a right mood, and was ready to have a go at him when I got back to the hotel, only to be told by a caring member of staff that he'd got back to the hotel, packed his stuff, and left. The rep was organising him transport back to the UK after he'd spun them a line about a family emergency. Never saw him again, never want to. Major bullet dodged I think!"
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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@Belch,
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Would have thought AM would have known better
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Indeed. He probably wouldn't have needed much introductory instruction, given his advantages which you describe, but to go up unable to use a lift or to execute the most basic of manoeuvres, to the extent of needing piste rescue?! Maybe he relied on companions telling him he'd be fine? That's not unusual a scenario.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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@KSH, Think age and fear of the unknown / reality biting (as per MajorQ's descriptor) may have had something to do with it . . .like many elite sportsmen I'm sure snowsports would have been well highlighted as a massive 'no-go' within his contract when he was an active pro, having been lucky enough to learn as a kid I can also appreciate learning 'late' as an adult being much more difficult . . .maybe his parents were too tight to take him up Glencoe etc as a nipper (!!!!!)
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One would have thought he would be used to being coached and pick things up readily. It sounds silly of him to not have at least a basic lesson or 2.
WRT football v rugby, to the casual observer 1 is greatly more exciting than the other because every time a team gets the ball it tries to attack…
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You know it makes sense.
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How many armchair experts have we heard say "Skiing? That's easy, strap a couple of planks to your feet, point yourself downhill, and let gravity do all the work. You don't even have to climb up the mountains to do it, there's chairs and stuff that carry you up there."
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Well personally I've never heard anyone say that.....Most of the people I know who've never skied at all think it all looks awfully difficult and uncomfortable and risky!
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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| Gordyjh wrote: |
| WRT football v rugby, to the casual observer 1 is greatly more exciting than the other because every time a team gets the ball it tries to attack… |
Ok I'll bite . . . . that's because the game itself is singularly one directional - running back towards the goal line would be somewhat futile . . . whilst I appreciate that free-flowing Rugby is a joy to watch, a lot of the time it can be scrappy and disruptive . . . the kicking it forward continually (ie England) makes it even more dull and akin to gaining yards a la the yawn fest that is American Football - each to their own!
Web Ellis picked up the ball because his foot-skills were quite clearly lacking and he simply couldn't cope - I rest my case m'lud 
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Poster: A snowHead
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Though I did have one friend, with whom (from the car park) we watched some very elegant young Italians dancing very swiftly down a steep run. "Can you do that?" he asked me. I explained that I could certainly ski that run, but probably at less than half their speed, and considerably less than half their elegance. He said "What's so difficult about it, just wiggle your hips a bit" (he was a very good dancer, and uncle of that Anton bloke on Strictly). I said no, it wasn't that easy, and that those blokes had been skiing since they were 4 years old. He subsequently did a "learn to ski in a day" course in Hemel and found I was right. 
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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@Origen, 
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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@Belch, I remember watching footer in the 70s & 80s when teams tried to score goals. It could be quite exciting. Something happened in the 90s to make it all defensive & desperately boring to watch. Combine the “tactics” with the rolling around in simulated agony & it means I no longer bother even with the World Cup.
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Murray needs some lessons.
Appalling technique.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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I reckon his dry sense of humour may be whooshing above head height
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@Gordyjh, Different game back then - the skill level my lad plays at (7th tier of the pyramid) is on par if not superior than those days IMO. . .they are all 100% fitter for a start as well as being more technically proficient across the pitch and in all positions . . . .the rolling around is gamesmanship - its a non contact sport. Imagine the mayhem if someone gets intentionally 'tripped' (rather than formally tackled) in Rugby - there would be a riot - but its ok to drop the shoulder and take out some ribs - daft IMO!
@Blackblade, Not going to argue about German football ability . . . there are levels! Enjoy your Rugby and pleased to see you enjoying what must be a minority sport for such a strong 'soccer' nation . . .
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| Belch wrote: |
| @Blackblade, Not going to argue about German football ability . . . there are levels! Enjoy your Rugby and pleased to see you enjoying what must be a minority sport for such a strong 'soccer' nation . . . |
I’m not German … I’m an immigrant of fairly recent record (five years now) … grew up in the UK but have lived and worked in a lot of places since then.
In some respects though, football aside, Germany suits me better as there is more focus on skiing and there is also a lot more volleyball … which is a real minority sport in the UK.
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I have been involved with teaching skiing both directly and indirectly with elite level ex professional athletes from many disciplines including ex Olympic and World Champions. They are amongst the worst to teach as they get frustrated when it doesn't just happen. They may be used to receiving instructions for subtle changes in movement in their own sport but that doesn't necessarily translate readily to learning to ski. Their basic stance is usually shocking and they usually force their turns by default with their upper body (because they are strong and it 'works') rather than learning how to do it properly.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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@Belch, of course your kid is better than Pele or George Best, what was I thinking?
And of course watching people pass the ball back to the goalie in 8 easy steps is much more exciting than watching them try to score a goal.
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