@Roscoe, Every flight I've been on from Gatwick in the last few years.
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I've flown Luton and Heathrow over the last few years to various destinations. Never had it sealed going out or on the return leg.
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kat.ryb wrote:
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Technically you're allowed one, sealed duty free bag
From the UK you are generally allowed one 'airport shopping bag' not necessarily a 'sealed DF bag' because when the airlines started tightening their rules on free hand luggage, the airports basically told them to do one and allow a shopping bag. Otherwise all the concession revenue the airports get from the DF, clothes shops etc would be much reduced. Most airports generate the majority of their revenue from non aero sources now (concession income, F&B, parking, etc)
Your own words condemn you, "one bag of AIRPORT SHOPPING" not "one bag of whatever you want to take in the cabin with you". As you rightly say, this is to maintain the revenue from airport concessions which is in the airlines interest as that subsidises landing and handling fees. You know full well that it is selfish, dishonest, and a breech of the airline rules when you take a Duty Free bag with you to the airport with the express purpose of getting more stuff into the cabin than you want to pay for. And we all know you don't put your stuffed "airport shopping bag" and your personal bag under the seat on front of you. And are probably very grumpy when someone removes your precious cargo from the overhead bin in order to fit a (paid for) larger carry on bag in. The only reason you do it is because you get away with it more often than not, and are so self-entitled that that is good enough reason for you to do so.
As I said, if you can't afford to pay for the things you want to or need to take on holiday then either don't go or take less stuff.
And all this guff about it only being because the airlines want to fleece you is just that, guff. You chose to buy a ticket on that airline, with those rules and pricing structure. Many do indeed seek to make significant revenue from baggage charges, that is their business model and their fares are structured accordingly.
I'm gonna continue to take my helmet, strapped to my boot bag, until told by the airline in which I'm flying with not to do so.
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Roscoe wrote:
I'm gonna continue to take my helmet, strapped to my boot bag, until told by the airline in which I'm flying with not to do so.
Fair enough. I will continue to hope that they do indeed tell you not to. And continue to pay whatever the airline I have chosen requires to transport my stuff for me, mostly as it is my choice to fly with them and I don't think I am entitled to more than their rules allow.
I'm gonna continue to take my helmet, strapped to my boot bag, until told by the airline in which I'm flying with not to do so.
Fair enough. I will continue to hope that they do indeed tell you not to. And continue to pay whatever the airline I have chosen requires to transport my stuff for me, mostly as it is my choice to fly with them and I don't think I am entitled to more than their rules allow.
Exactly.
For all my ski trips I fly from Luton to Geneva with Easyjet. Each and every time I've had my helmet with me as hand luggage, and each and every time the cabin crew has welcomed me on board with a polite smile. I will then find my seat, place my hand luggage, with helmet, under the seat in front of me, as instructed to do so, for the duration of the flight. I, in no way shape or form, have impacted any other person on board that flight, which I will continue to do so each time I fly.
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I'm normally very careful with my helmet with it in its own bag slung over my shoulder. From now on I'm going to swing it in the hope that it whacks some of the moaning and miserable opinionated posters on this thread! After that I'll pop it in the overhead storage that I haven't paid for, sit down and chuckle while trying my best to take a CM of someone else's foot room!
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Boofont wrote:
They make the rules to suit, and I fear the ski helmet ruse is yet another way to fleece more money from us.
its this, and hardly surprising really, you get what you pay for.
fly non-budget and its not an issue. anything odd like a guitar or a motorbike helmet they might [might!] ask you to check it at the gate, which means you hand it to the purser and they put it in one of the 1st/business class wardrobes.
fly budget and if a fly lands on your shoulder then there'll be a charge for that extra passenger sir.
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@Lilaclou,
Well, looks like you've got a consensus
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How ‘moaning’ or ‘opinionated’?
It’s a fair point, and a reasonable ask. It’s easy to forget in the whole hassle of boarding and so I thought it fair just to point out that it does happen, but is easily avoided. Just keep your helmet secure as you walk through the ‘plane. I’m sure you wouldn’t want to hit someone, so what’s the issue? Unless you consider it an inalienable right to bludgeon random passengers with your helmet?
Some people are over-sensitive.
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LaForet wrote:
How ‘moaning’ or ‘opinionated’?
Posters calling people "entitled", saying things like "I paid for this and that", "You should know the rules", commenting on adding other items to duty free bags.... the lists goes on! Bonne ski mes amis!
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[quote="Boofont"the moaning and miserable opinionated posters on this thread! [/quote]
This wouldn't be much of a forum if no one had an a opinion. As for moaning and miserable? Could be you for other's having the audacity to not agreeing with your helmet swinging policy?
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Boofont wrote:
LaForet wrote:
How ‘moaning’ or ‘opinionated’?
Posters calling people "entitled", saying things like "I paid for this and that", "You should know the rules", commenting on adding other items to duty free bags.... the lists goes on! Bonne ski mes amis!
I think you are referring to me.
I do not at all mind if you disagree with my take on this. But that is not what you have chosen to do is it? Which says rather more about you than it does about me.
to be fair to @Boofont, he did put a smiley in there and its obviously a tongue in cheek comment.
The thread has morphed from "do you reckon I can have my helmet outside of my small carry on rucksack and stuff it all under the seat in front?"
To how much indignation do you feel when someone puts their "underseat" luggage or coat in the overhead locker and you're struggling to find room to put your paid for wheelie case?
I think we need to recognise people aren't always at their best in stressful situations, such as just before they fly and when they think someone has disagreed with them on the internet.
It just shows, they mean business when it comes to their fare and fee structure! And to be honest I don't have a problem with them doing so. The "personal bag" is for items you want or need on the flight, I don't see a problem with expecting ALL items you bring on board to fit into that bag.
It is interesting that a water bottle purchased at the airport would have been allowed. But that is because it is in the airline's interest to do so (revenue from airside concessions help reduce landing and handling fees).
I would hate to be the person who "saved" on carry-on costs by clipping their helmet top their backpack only to be hit by this charge at the gate. Just not worth the stress/hassle of trying it on. But then I choose to not fly on Ryanair anyway (not because of their baggage rules/fees).
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t44tomo wrote:
to be fair to @Boofont, he did put a smiley in there and its obviously a tongue in cheek comment.
Indeed!
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I would have shoved it in my pocket, or if it were not to fit and assuming the bag contained some clothing, would have removed said clothing and worn it thus creating space and avoiding pistols at dawn.
I would have then swung the bag ensuring it whacked all those that had paid for cabin bags. Just joking on the bag whacking btw!
@t44tomo, I have no indignation at all, literally none, if "underseat" bags are placed in the overhead bin. In fact I actually said just that. Please read what I actually say before making these sorts of accusations.
My problem is not at all what is in the overhead bin. But with people who are indignant (to use your word) when their "underseat" bag has to be removed to make space for a (paid for) larger carry-on bag. It starts with ignoring the question when asked if it is their bag. Then follows aggression "don't you dare touch my bag" being the somewhat ironic way that part starts. And then proceeds to huffing and puffing when said bag is handed to its owner with an explanation that it is not my issue to find a spot for it somewhere else. I have even seen cabin crew abused during this process which is why I choose to deal with it myself rather than subject them to the unpleasantness that ensues.
I also dislike people who feel "entitled" to more than they have paid for. They well know the rules, they made a choice to fly on that particular airline and are well aware of the conditions pertaining to their fare. I do indeed think it is dishonest and self-entitled to being an old Duty Free bag to the airport for the sole purpose of filling it with luggage you want to take on board but not pay for. In the full knowledge that allowing a Duty Free bag is to allow shopping at the airport, not circumvention of the conditions of the cheapskate fare class you chose (not that I haver anything against cheapskate fare classes!).
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Do the rules not say that the small carry on bag must be able to fit under the seat in front of you, not that said bag has to be placed under the seat in front?
So if there is space in the overheads, then the small carry on bag can be stored in the overheads if there is space.
There is nothing about being 'entitled' in your attitude if you do that.
The Ripoff Air story is precisely why you should not use Michael O'Leary's airline - they are a disgrace.
Do the rules not say that the small carry on bag must be able to fit under the seat in front of you, not that said bag has to be placed under the seat in front?
So if there is space in the overheads, then the small carry on bag can be stored in the overheads if there is space.
There is nothing about being 'entitled' in your attitude if you do that.
The Ripoff Air story is precisely why you should not use Michael O'Leary's airline - they are a disgrace.
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Seems to be a UK thing, because people cannot be trusted.
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JDL65 wrote:
Do the rules not say that the small carry on bag must be able to fit under the seat in front of you, not that said bag has to be placed under the seat in front
Good point. EJ State:
13. Baggage
13.1 Cabin Baggage
Save as set out below, you are permitted one piece of Cabin Baggage per Passenger. Please see our Cabin Baggage Policy for more details, but in particular please note:
13.1.1.1 the standard allowance you can bring on board is one small cabin bag (max 45 x 36 x 20 cm) which must fit under the seat in front of you."
Ref the DF and some other items:
"13.1.4 an overcoat, shawl, umbrella or walking stick and one bag of goods purchased after you have cleared the security screening point at the departure airport may also be carried in addition to the allowance of one item of Cabin Baggage;"
The bag ruse is indeed in breach, but you can carry an overcoat, perhaps with huge and full pockets!
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zikomo wrote:
@t44tomo, I have no indignation at all, literally none, if "underseat" bags are placed in the overhead bin. In fact I actually said just that. Please read what I actually say before making these sorts of accusations.
My problem is not at all what is in the overhead bin. But with people who are indignant (to use your word) when their "underseat" bag has to be removed to make space for a (paid for) larger carry-on bag. It starts with ignoring the question when asked if it is their bag. Then follows aggression "don't you dare touch my bag" being the somewhat ironic way that part starts. And then proceeds to huffing and puffing when said bag is handed to its owner with an explanation that it is not my issue to find a spot for it somewhere else. I have even seen cabin crew abused during this process which is why I choose to deal with it myself rather than subject them to the unpleasantness that ensues.
I also dislike people who feel "entitled" to more than they have paid for. They well know the rules, they made a choice to fly on that particular airline and are well aware of the conditions pertaining to their fare. I do indeed think it is dishonest and self-entitled to being an old Duty Free bag to the airport for the sole purpose of filling it with luggage you want to take on board but not pay for. In the full knowledge that allowing a Duty Free bag is to allow shopping at the airport, not circumvention of the conditions of the cheapskate fare class you chose (not that I haver anything against cheapskate fare classes!).
I haven't accused you or anyone of anything if you read what I actually wrote. I was just amused by the thread drift.
I agree with much of the rest of your post. I find the huffing and puffing in those situations very amusing. "What do you mean my under seat bag, coat* and extravagantly large hat cant all go in the overhead locker along with my carry on case?" I do feel for the poor cabin crew. * will quite often fit on top of a wheely case to be fair.
I dislike ryan air with a passion. Easyjet are generally OK. I've heard Wizzair are very similar to ryan air too.
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While the "follow the letter of the rules" folks are technically right (aren't they always) I'm sure they can appreciate that skiing helmets are an annoying anomaly caught up in rules that weren't designed with them in mind. I'm certainly not gaming the system by trying to take my helmet free because my luggage allowance is otherwise maxed out or non existent, I just don't want it in the hold where it could get damaged, but it would easily fit within the 20kg allowance I've paid for. And that annoying anomaly only applies to folk with big heads where a bag containing the helmet will fit under the seat no bother but the 2cm bulge of the helmet will not fit in the rigidly sized gauge in that one specific dimension.
Small headed folk can fit it in their bag, or if they choose to clip it will fit in the gauge anyway.
Us large headed folk have been caught up in that 2cm overspill over the max dimensions. And in that scenario it seems perfectly rational and excusable to slightly game the system so that you don't get charged for something at a disproportionate cost to it's value. EJ seem to have a sensible approach that as long as your bag doesn't look too big and you're not otherwise taking the wee wee by stuffing a load of luggage into a bag that isn't quite small enough, you probably won't get pulled. Ryanair/Wizz are best avoided with their lack flexibility regarding when to apply the rules and when to recognise that in some circumstances the rules just don't quite work.
Maybe the follow the rules folk might work for Ryanair setting their policies, even if they don't want to fly with them.
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Why should I as a 70 kg person with a 20 kg bag have to pay more than a 100 kg person with a 10 kg bag?
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JDL65 wrote:
Why should I as a 70 kg person with a 20 kg bag have to pay more than a 100 kg person with a 10 kg bag?
Fares should be based on your combined body and luggage weight - discuss!
Excellent hand grenade! 100% agree…
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I recently flew with BA to Turin for our annual ski trip. BA’s cabin bags policy allows a bag of 55cm x 45cm x 25cm and weighing up to 23kg. Challenge accepted, but even with my ski boots in there I didn’t get close (although I didn’t clip my helmet to the bag so that might be worth a try next time).
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Fares should be based on your combined body and luggage weight - discuss!
100% pro being given a "total weight allowance"!
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Boofont wrote:
The bag ruse is indeed in breach, but you can carry an overcoat, perhaps with huge and full pockets!
@t44tomo, Apologies then. I interpreted your post as accusing me of being indignant (that term was used) because some people put their "underseat" backpack in the overhead bins. Anyway, looks like we agree that was not at all my point, Ryanair should be avoided, and all the huffing and puffing when someone is asked to actually put their "underseat" luggage under the seat in front of them is a nonsense!
My general point is that you choose the airline and fare, so can't really complain when the terms of that airline and fare and imposed on you. And certainly have no cause to become indignant when someone else has paid for the overhead bin space that you did not pay for but are using. Fair enough if there is space for all, but those are the terms so the paid for bag gets the priority.
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Dav wrote:
I recently flew with BA to Turin for our annual ski trip. BA’s cabin bags policy allows a bag of 55cm x 45cm x 25cm and weighing up to 23kg. Challenge accepted, but even with my ski boots in there I didn’t get close (although I didn’t clip my helmet to the bag so that might be worth a try next time).
Actually, you can also take a small bag as per the free bag on EJ etc. This can also be "up to 23kg"! Who's up for 56kg in hand luggage! Scroll down to read.
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Boofont wrote:
Dav wrote:
I recently flew with BA to Turin for our annual ski trip. BA’s cabin bags policy allows a bag of 55cm x 45cm x 25cm and weighing up to 23kg. Challenge accepted, but even with my ski boots in there I didn’t get close (although I didn’t clip my helmet to the bag so that might be worth a try next time).
Actually, you can also take a small bag as per the free bag on EJ etc. This can also be "up to 23kg"! Who's up for 56kg in hand luggage! Scroll down to read.
Yes the problem shouldn't arise if your doing the two cabin bag type ticket / arrangement as a helmet should easily fit in the wheelie case - I can fit helmet and boots (one boot goes in the rucksack, which also helps with airlines where wheelie case has a 8/10kg limit) and my clothes for a week in that arrangement. It mean packing fairly light, but then I have no qualms in washing socks and base layers in the hotel showers etc, nor repeating what I wear in the evenings. If you opt for / the airline policy / obsessive overpacking (my daughter for example) forces you down the hold luggage and small bag route that the issue arises as your helmet wont fit in the small bag, but you don't really want in in the hold bag, as you have no idea how much your bag will be throw around, however well you think you've packed /protected your helmet.
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kat.ryb wrote:
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Fares should be based on your combined body and luggage weight - discuss!
100% pro being given a "total weight allowance"!
Actually, despite it not being to my advantage (I weigh 95kg), I do think this would be much fairer or, not quite sure how this would work, some kind of relationship between volume and weight.
Fares should be based on your combined body and luggage weight - discuss!
100% pro being given a "total weight allowance"!
Does anyone honestly think that's the way to go? Someone who, through their parental inherited genes is say 6ft plus and obviously weighs more than someone smaller, should pay more? Where do you draw the line on this sort of thing?
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Could be based on BMI
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I have been on quite a few flights where it was indeed a combined weight of person + belongings that mattered. To the extent that you stood on a big scale with all your stuff. Each person + belongings had to come under a certain total weight. So the "big-boned" could transport less gin! And had to be careful about how much kit they brought (or rely on their skinnier comrades giving up some of their tots weight allowance). On small planes it is not that uncommon.
We already have this in effect, with more space (and baggage allowance) in different fare classes. I think with a "growing" population there is a strong case to be made for extending this further. And there definitely needs to be more imposition of a maximum size of person per standard seat. If a person is too big to fit in a standard seat such that they don't overflow and infringe on the space of an adjacent passenger then they need to buy 2 seats. And no, I see no discrimination in that in fact quite the opposite.
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I think the subject gets heated because, for a variety of reasons, boarding ‘planes has got much slower and stressful for everyone in recent years. Certainly on carriers like easyJet. Having flown Geneva / Gatwick a number of times in the last few months, I’d say this isn’t just an isolated thing - it’s happened every flight.
Earlier last year I did a LGW/GVA flight where they separated people boarding into two streams: front and rear. It was so much smoother and quicker. Obviously only possible when the ‘plane is attached to the terminal, but most of my recent flights out of Gatwick were this and they didn’t bother, meaning boarding took twice the time and we missed our scheduled departure time.
And there’s SpeedyBoarding. What’s the point if, as at GVA, half the plane is SB?
Plus the usual complaint that there were a significant proportion of people with oversize bags that consumed all the overhead space and meant our small cases were taken to the rear by the attendants. Who conspicuously weren’t there to retrieve them on landing.
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zikomo wrote:
Last trip I had to remove 3 rucksacks with helmets attached from the overhead locker to fit the carry on bags I had paid for. All three owners of said bags were annoyed about it. Probably because their rucksack and helmet do not fit comfortably beneath the sat in front of them, and they felt entitled to the space despite not paying for it. I actually prefer the system of having to pay for a larger carry on bag to fit in the luggage bins, and think it should be strictly enforced as that way those that actually need the larger carry on are assured it will travel in theb cabin with them.
I'm intrigued about this. Did you ask the owners of the three rucksacks if they had paid for them to be in the overhead lockers? How did you identify that they were in fact stealing the space in that particular locker that you were entitled to? If I have paid for bag to go in the overhead lockers and somebody feels entitled to remove my bag because their bag is bigger I would most likely be a trifle annoyed.
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After that I'll pop it in the overhead storage that I haven't paid for, sit down and chuckle while trying my best to take a CM of someone else's foot room!
I do feel for the poor cabin crew. * will quite often fit on top of a wheely case to be fair.
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