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I can see EJ starting to charge more and more for helmets attached to bags or carried separately in its own bag as I do, slung over my shoulder. If challenged, I would wear it.
People have said that EJ won't allow on H&S grounds. I can't see how this would apply. I have fully reviewed the EJ terms and conditions and there is no clear policy. The only part I spotted which might be considered was in section 12 "Right to refuse carriage"
"12.1 We may refuse to carry you and/or your Baggage, or remove you from a flight if you have already boarded, without any liability on our part, if we reasonably believe:
12.1.1 you or your Baggage may put the safety of the aircraft or the health or safety of any person in the aircraft or airport in danger or at risk;"; and,
"12.1.9 you are a hazard or risk to yourself or other persons or to property;"
The point I picked up on was the words "reasonably believe". I do not think it's reasonable to say you are a H&S risk by wearing the helmet, although I do accept I'd look a tit! 
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I've always carried my helmet or attached it to my bag, since I put it in my board bag it came out with a huge dent...
Would be interested to hear if anyone has ever been quizzed, there's always lot of people carrying them and rightly so imo.
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| phil_w wrote: |
I doubt you'd be allowed to wear a helmet. I've never seen it done.
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We flew to cologne last year with either EasyJet or Ryanair (can’t recall) and there was a guy on a stag do in full cricket pads and helmet, so I’m pretty sure you’d be allowed on with a ski helmet!
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| phil_w wrote: |
| We flew to cologne last year with either EasyJet or Ryanair (can’t recall) and there was a guy on a stag do in full cricket pads and helmet, so I’m pretty sure you’d be allowed on with a ski helmet! |
They make the rules to suit, and I fear the ski helmet ruse is yet another way to fleece more money from us. 
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They fit really easily in the bottom of a small rucksack (kids just use their school eastpak ones) or small tote bag anyway with lots of room for a book, wallet and passport etc. I guess it's only a problem if you're trying to take loads of other stuff on in your hand luggage. I have also seen several people being knocked by helmets strapped to bags. There are lots of people on Facebook ski club complaining that Easyjet are tightening up on it.
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| Soozm wrote: |
| They fit really easily in the bottom of a small rucksack (kids just use their school eastpak ones) or small tote bag anyway with lots of room for a book, wallet and passport etc. I guess it's only a problem if you're trying to take loads of other stuff on in your hand luggage. I have also seen several people being knocked by helmets strapped to bags. There are lots of people on Facebook ski club complaining that Easyjet are tightening up on it. |
Moot point really as that's not the issue per se; it's the dimensions of the bag which for EJ (unless paying for the larger cabin bag) are 45 X 36 X 20, the 20cm is small. My helmet, and I would wager most others, do not have a dimension 20cm or less. In fact, they are quite a bit bigger at around 30cm. And that's before you factor in a bag.
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Good point, had never thought to measure those little backpacks. We have flown BA most recently but Easyjet this half term 
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| Lozza1uk wrote: |
| phil_w wrote: |
| We flew to cologne last year with either EasyJet or Ryanair (can’t recall) and there was a guy on a stag do in full cricket pads and helmet, so I’m pretty sure you’d be allowed on with a ski helmet! |
They make the rules to suit, and I fear the ski helmet ruse is yet another way to fleece more money from us. |
It's not a ruse. Either your cabin bag (and whatever you choose to attach to it) fits their stated dimensions, or it doesn't. It sounds like plenty of people are just lucky that EJ don't usually bother checking.
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| LaForet wrote: |
| Can I make a plea? If you do carry your ski helmet just attached loosely to your rucksack, then please be careful walking through the airplane: last outbound flight I saw someone hit almost every alternate aisle passenger as they swung their way to their seat. |
Or take your backpack off before you get on the plane! |
This for me! It drives me mad, it's just another way of trying to "grab" extra baggage IMO, like the people who take massive carry-on bags as well. Put it in your luggage!
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| Boofont wrote: |
Moot point really as that's not the issue per se; it's the dimensions of the bag which for EJ (unless paying for the larger cabin bag) are 45 X 36 X 20, the 20cm is small. My helmet, and I would wager most others, do not have a dimension 20cm or less. In fact, they are quite a bit bigger at around 30cm. And that's before you factor in a bag. |
Top of the bonce down to bottom of whatever angle it then lays is about 20cm, somewhere around the ears is the lowest point. mine will fit in a ryan air compliant wheelie case (55x40x20). I usually do "double carry on bags ticket" - i.e a wheelie case and small under seat rucksack. One boot and helmet in the wheelie case and the other boot in the rucksack. clothes fitted / stuffed in wherever. I transport the visor in the back of mine so dont really want it dangling anywhere anyway.
The fundamentals are most people with get away with helmet clipped to / carried with their underseat bag, but there is a risk of being charged by the airline (different degree of risk with different airlines), and if they are in a crappy moot, that may mean an unjust fine / extra charge.
Its fairly basic good manners not to smack everyone on an aisle seat with whatever luggage you're carrying as you board a plane! 
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| CathS wrote: |
| It's not a ruse. Either your cabin bag (and whatever you choose to attach to it) fits their stated dimensions, or it doesn't. It sounds like plenty of people are just lucky that EJ don't usually bother checking. |
Is a helmet a hat or a piece of luggage?
I know of one person who successfully argued it was a hat as when challenged about a clipped on helmet said he'd wear it, and wasn't charged. I think he had to wear it until out of sight of the person with the card machine and the gauge and then wasn't challenged again. But if forced I'm sure I'd be able to suffer wearing my helmet for the whole flight! Maybe I'm just super nervous about flying and feel safer with my helmet on! And I'm not aware of anyone who has tried to claim it's a hat and been told it isn't!
My tactics, my hand luggage bag is marginally over the length requirement and with the helmet inside it's also just too wide (big head), any bag would be due to the size of my head!. The bag on it's own might just fit diagonally if the helmet was removed. I'm now up to 4 or 5 trips with this bag since they created the current rules with the paid for overhead cabin bag and haven't been stopped yet. I bought the bag before the rules came in and don't like the idea of the helmet being in the hold. I try to avoid it looking like I'm carrying a big bag by not stuffing it full, not having the helmet hanging off like it won't fit but having it inside instead (saves whacking everything with it and damaging the helmet as well) etc. If I do get stopped I'll pay up, that will still have been cheaper than buying a cabin bag on every trip or buying a new smaller bag.
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| Roscoe wrote: |
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I've flown with Easyjet (from Luton) on every ski trip I've taken for the last 10 years and have always travelled with my helmet attached to my bootbag (hand luggage) without ever so much as a batted eyelid from the flight crew. |
I'm guessing this is because they're in the cockpit doing their checks ? |
Everyone employed by Easyjet to get the plane, its passengers and their belonging safely to the destination, are considered flight crew in my eyes. If you want to label each role, go for it. |
Same here. Cabin crew/pilot - all flight crew...
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| Roscoe wrote: |
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I've flown with Easyjet (from Luton) on every ski trip I've taken for the last 10 years and have always travelled with my helmet attached to my bootbag (hand luggage) without ever so much as a batted eyelid from the flight crew. |
I'm guessing this is because they're in the cockpit doing their checks ? |
Everyone employed by Easyjet to get the plane, its passengers and their belonging safely to the destination, are considered flight crew in my eyes. If you want to label each role, go for it. |
I was under the impression it meant those in the cockpit but it seems opinions differ.
So serves my right for indulging my inner pedant, I offer sincere apologies and beseech thy forgiveness...
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| Roscoe wrote: |
| JCE2 wrote: |
| Roscoe wrote: |
I've flown with Easyjet (from Luton) on every ski trip I've taken for the last 10 years and have always travelled with my helmet attached to my bootbag (hand luggage) without ever so much as a batted eyelid from the flight crew. |
I'm guessing this is because they're in the cockpit doing their checks ? |
Everyone employed by Easyjet to get the plane, its passengers and their belonging safely to the destination, are considered flight crew in my eyes. If you want to label each role, go for it. |
I was under the impression it meant those in the cockpit but it seems opinions differ.
So serves my right for indulging my inner pedant, I offer sincere apologies and beseech thy forgiveness... |
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Here is a wild idea. Pay for the baggage (either carry on or hold) that you need to fit your stuff into. Stop trying to fudge it so you get more than you paid for. Be an honest person. And intelligent enough to understand that different airlines have different business models, their rules and pricing structures reflect this. If you don't like the rules and pricing structure then fly with someone else.
I am sorry, but the idea that you feel "entitled" to more than you have paid for really annoys me. All the stories of how you can "help" your bag on the self-service scales so it appears lighter than it is, stuffing an airport carrier bag with belongings, attaching a helmet to the outside of a ruck sack are just that. Taking something you have not paid for, despite choosing an airline that you know requires you to.
Last trip I had to remove 3 rucksacks with helmets attached from the overhead locker to fit the carry on bags I had paid for. All three owners of said bags were annoyed about it. Probably because their rucksack and helmet do not fit comfortably beneath the sat in front of them, and they felt entitled to the space despite not paying for it. I actually prefer the system of having to pay for a larger carry on bag to fit in the luggage bins, and think it should be strictly enforced as that way those that actually need the larger carry on are assured it will travel in theb cabin with them.
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| Bergmeister wrote: |
| Same here. Cabin crew/pilot - all flight crew... |
I live in a world of aviation regulations as part of my job. For those that care (that's no one! Lol) Flight Crew (FC) are not Cabin Crew (CC), least not in accordance with Subparts FC and CC to Part-ORO of the Air Operations regulations.
I'll get my coat...
https://regulatorylibrary.caa.co.uk/965-2012/Content/Air%20Operations_1.htm
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| zikomo wrote: |
Here is a wild idea. Pay for the baggage (either carry on or hold) that you need to fit your stuff into. Stop trying to fudge it so you get more than you paid for. Be an honest person. And intelligent enough to understand that different airlines have different business models, their rules and pricing structures reflect this. If you don't like the rules and pricing structure then fly with someone else.
I am sorry, but the idea that you feel "entitled" to more than you have paid for really annoys me. All the stories of how you can "help" your bag on the self-service scales so it appears lighter than it is, stuffing an airport carrier bag with belongings, attaching a helmet to the outside of a ruck sack are just that. Taking something you have not paid for, despite choosing an airline that you know requires you to.
Last trip I had to remove 3 rucksacks with helmets attached from the overhead locker to fit the carry on bags I had paid for. All three owners of said bags were annoyed about it. Probably because their rucksack and helmet do not fit comfortably beneath the sat in front of them, and they felt entitled to the space despite not paying for it. I actually prefer the system of having to pay for a larger carry on bag to fit in the luggage bins, and think it should be strictly enforced as that way those that actually need the larger carry on are assured it will travel in theb cabin with them. |
Sounds like your issue is more with people putting hand luggage (not a paid for "cabin" bag) in the over head lockers and taking up the room of which people have paid for. Appreciate the frustrations at this scenario but I think this is an airline standard operating procedure problem more than a passenger one. People with pre-paid "cabin" bags should board the plane first to make sure they get what they paid for. The helmets really wouldn't make a difference in this.
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| phil_w wrote: |
| I doubt you'd be allowed to wear a helmet. I've never seen it done. |
I've worn my helmet onto the plane for every ski trip I've made for the last 15 years. Never had a problem. As said above, it's clearly out of gauge for carry on, but I'd continue to wear it (and did so once) if they argued about putting it in the overhead locker.
When I used touring boots I also wore them onto the plane for a few trips, with all my other kit in the carry on. Some flights it was no problem - and elicited smiles and comments from the staff - others required me to take them off, but were then happy for me to carry them on. Not done that for over 10 years though.
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For those that have offered up an argument for having their helmet swinging around on flights attached to their rucksacks, I'm sure that few of these apply to the quite numerous amount of swinging helmets that can be seen on most ski flights
The swinging helmet types tend to be boarder/freeskier kinda guys and imho are making a 'lifestyle' statement whether they admit or more likely not. Cool signalling.
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@Roscoe, No - the problem is that the small rucksack plus helmet does not fit easily under the seat in front. I have no problem with people putting things in the overhead bins if there is free apce once all the paid for bags have been loaded. The problem here is not that the rucksacks plus helmets were in the overhead bin in the first place, but that the owners were so annoyed and unpleasant when they were removed.
And no - those who have purchase overhead bin space do not always board first, for a variety of reasons. Mostly to do with others making it hard to do so while they fight for an early boarding spot to use space in the overhead bin they have not paid for. In a couple of airports (Amsterdam being the worst), you have to try and fight through crowds of others to reach the priority boarding queue. There is often some unpleasant blocking and shoving involved. It is always the same "entitled" sort of person engaged in this behaviour that also tries to cheat the system.
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| zikomo wrote: |
Here is a wild idea. Pay for the baggage (either carry on or hold) that you need to fit your stuff into. Stop trying to fudge it so you get more than you paid for. Be an honest person. And intelligent enough to understand that different airlines have different business models, their rules and pricing structures reflect this. If you don't like the rules and pricing structure then fly with someone else.
I am sorry, but the idea that you feel "entitled" to more than you have paid for really annoys me. All the stories of how you can "help" your bag on the self-service scales so it appears lighter than it is, stuffing an airport carrier bag with belongings, attaching a helmet to the outside of a ruck sack are just that. Taking something you have not paid for, despite choosing an airline that you know requires you to.
Last trip I had to remove 3 rucksacks with helmets attached from the overhead locker to fit the carry on bags I had paid for. All three owners of said bags were annoyed about it. Probably because their rucksack and helmet do not fit comfortably beneath the sat in front of them, and they felt entitled to the space despite not paying for it. I actually prefer the system of having to pay for a larger carry on bag to fit in the luggage bins, and think it should be strictly enforced as that way those that actually need the larger carry on are assured it will travel in theb cabin with them. |
Fully agree with this. Just pay the £50
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Slightly off topic maybe, but the idea of someone sticking a bag (with or without a helmet in/on) under their seat and impinging on my foot space annoys me somewhat. Ok, I've got size 11s and long legs but surely I am entitled to foot space?
Apart from that I totally agree with @zikomo, if you need more space to get your lid in a bag, pay for it.
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| Boofont wrote: |
| Bergmeister wrote: |
| Same here. Cabin crew/pilot - all flight crew... |
I live in a world of aviation regulations as part of my job. For those that care (that's no one! Lol) Flight Crew (FC) are not Cabin Crew (CC), least not in accordance with Subparts FC and CC to Part-ORO of the Air Operations regulations.
I'll get my coat...
https://regulatorylibrary.caa.co.uk/965-2012/Content/Air%20Operations_1.htm |
This could run and run
But probably best that it doesn't...
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You're allowed a duty free bag, as well as your hand luggage allowance. Top tip.. keep a good big plastic DF bag and stash in any extra items like your helmet and cover over with a paper
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| gixxerniknik wrote: |
Slightly off topic maybe, but the idea of someone sticking a bag (with or without a helmet in/on) under their seat and impinging on my foot space annoys me somewhat. Ok, I've got size 11s and long legs but surely I am entitled to foot space?
Apart from that I totally agree with @zikomo, if you need more space to get your lid in a bag, pay for it. |
But they'd only be putting their bag under the seat in front of them - as they are in their right, and even SUPPOSED, to do as the overhead lockers are actually intended for those that have paid for a cabin bag, smaller suitcase etc
So the only person you could blame for removing your entitlement to "foot space" would be erm... yourself...
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| gixxerniknik wrote: |
Slightly off topic maybe, but the idea of someone sticking a bag (with or without a helmet in/on) under their seat and impinging on my foot space annoys me somewhat. Ok, I've got size 11s and long legs but surely I am entitled to foot space?
Apart from that I totally agree with @zikomo, if you need more space to get your lid in a bag, pay for it. |
The bag goes under the seat IN FRONT of the respective passenger, so it impinges their foot space not yours. If someone tries to put it under their seat, you would be well within your rights to get them to move it.
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| kat.ryb wrote: |
| You're allowed a duty free bag, as well as your hand luggage allowance. Top tip.. keep a good big plastic DF bag and stash in any extra items like your helmet and cover over with a paper |
Exactly this!!!! This is the whole reason all the people saying pay more for your helmet is floored when quoting the "rules".
Just buy something from duty free, put the helmet in the bag. No airline rules broken and no one can complain.
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| kat.ryb wrote: |
| You're allowed a duty free bag, as well as your hand luggage allowance. Top tip.. keep a good big plastic DF bag and stash in any extra items like your helmet and cover over with a paper |
Yes. So you can avoid paying for what you actually use. Even though you know the rules and pricing structure. In this case you know those so well that you have put effort into finding a way of dishonestly dodging them. It's an old trick. But remains a dishonest one. And only the extremely self-entitled would consider it.
If you can't afford to pay for what you want to take on holiday, then perhaps best to just admit that. If you don't think you should pay for it, travel with a different airline that includes it in the airfare. In other words, grow up.
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| kat.ryb wrote: |
| You're allowed a duty free bag, as well as your hand luggage allowance. Top tip.. keep a good big plastic DF bag and stash in any extra items like your helmet and cover over with a paper |
Yes. So you can avoid paying for what you actually use. Even though you know the rules and pricing structure. In this case you know those so well that you have put effort into finding a way of dishonestly dodging them. It's an old trick. But remains a dishonest one. And only the extremely self-entitled would consider it.
If you can't afford to pay for what you want to take on holiday, then perhaps best to just admit that. If you don't think you should pay for it, travel with a different airline that includes it in the airfare. In other words, grow up. |
Its not a trick.
Would you have the angst towards someone that had planned to and brought 3 or 4 large bottles of alcohol from duty free and carried that on to the plane? No difference between the helmet and the bottles, but with the bottles its ok as its following the rules?
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Last trip I had to remove 3 rucksacks with helmets attached from the overhead locker to fit the carry on bags I had paid for. All three owners of said bags were annoyed about it.
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Had the best air crew whilst boarding a flight in the summer. Standard situation where loads of people with their little personal item free bags had stashed them in the bins leaving no room for paid cabin bags.
The cabin staff picked out some small bags and asked whos they were need to go under your seat. No reply. Shouted again lounder. Being totally ignored.
Shouts "we have unattended bags, I am deplaning the unattended bags, these bags are being deplaned"
I have never seen people move so fast to get their bags and stash them at their feet  Absolute legend, wish all air crew were so militant with policing the overhead bins.
I have a big dislike of people who put their personal item and coat up in the bins before the plane has finished boarding. So selfish. Last ski trip I pulled out loads of massive puffy coats to put up my (paid for) cabin bag. People got really arsey about it bit it isn't hard - don't want poo-poo at your feet, pay for cabin bags or check in luggage.
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| zikomo wrote: |
| The bag goes under the seat IN FRONT of the respective passenger, so it impinges their foot space not yours. If someone tries to put it under their seat, you would be well within your rights to get them to move it. |
You're incorrect, with Easyjet anyway, and likely most, if not all other seats. There is a bar within the footwell that would stop a bag from moving in to your (precious!) space. It can be clearly seen on this pic via the link below.
https://scx2.b-cdn.net/gfx/news/2022/easyjet-will-cut-the-n.jpg
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@JCE2, @zikomo, my mistake!
I only take 1 rucksack on board with me, normally just with two bottles of duty free. That goes in the overhead locker along with my coat. My helmet along with everything else goes in the hold bag. I barely fit in the seats as it is without the extra padding of my ski jacket. I'm not overweight BTW, just 6' tall.
There's too much luggage in the cabin these day, allowed/paid for or not. I know the airlines allow it but extra cabin space for a paid for bigger bag is just an excuse to fleece us out of more money. If we went back to one carry on with only essentials in, everything else goes in the hold there'd be no arguments.
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Yes. So you can avoid paying for what you actually use.
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As long as you have your DF and personal item at your feet, you aren't taking away from any one else. You only suffer your own reduced foot space.
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| zikomo wrote: |
| The bag goes under the seat IN FRONT of the respective passenger, so it impinges their foot space not yours. If someone tries to put it under their seat, you would be well within your rights to get them to move it. |
You're going to have to work quite hard to put a bag under your own seat, you have to get it under the (hopefully full) life vest pocket and simultaneously over the heel bar (there partly to stop bags going forward, both generally and in the event of a 'sudden deceleration', and to kick your heels back against before sliding knees forward into an over-lock position as part of the brace position.
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| You're allowed a duty free bag, as well as your hand luggage allowance. Top tip.. keep a good big plastic DF bag and stash in any extra items like your helmet and cover over with a paper |
Technically you're allowed one, sealed duty free bag - though cabin crew are generally more interested in you not opening it as technically it needs to be sealed when you go through customs at your destination to proove it's actually free of duty (and nothing at all to do with stopping you drinking your duty free on the plane and having to buy their marked-up drinks, honest...) than using an old one to carry a few extra bits and bobs onto the flight.
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Yes. So you can avoid paying for what you actually use.
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As long as you have your DF and personal item at your feet, you aren't taking away from any one else. You only suffer your own reduced foot space. |
Which is why the angst is nothing to do with helmets but inconsiderate passengers. Could literally apply to anything and everything being brought on to the plane, not exclusive to skiing at all.
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Technically you're allowed one, sealed duty free bag
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From the UK you are generally allowed one 'airport shopping bag' not necessarily a 'sealed DF bag' because when the airlines started tightening their rules on free hand luggage, the airports basically told them to do one and allow a shopping bag. Otherwise all the concession revenue the airports get from the DF, clothes shops etc would be much reduced. Most airports generate the majority of their revenue from non aero sources now (concession income, F&B, parking, etc)
E.g. "All airlines flying from London Stansted Airport allow you to take one bag of airport shopping on board along with your hand luggage." https://www.stanstedairport.com/help/passenger-guides/duty-free-allowance/
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I've never had a DF bag sealed in any airport I've ever flown from across the world.
Only thing that comes close was flying home from NY and the DF allow you to collect your purchases at the gate as you board the plane. Your receipt and flight info are stapled to the bag and therefore unintentionally sealing it.
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@Roscoe, I have, several times.
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