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@ski3, I was rather hoping for a decent wine shop recommendation from anyone who replied to me, in addition to the travel advice... 
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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There's a shop in the shopping area of Gva airport. Near Migros supermarket (which doesn't sell booze). Not sure how "decent" it is.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| afterski wrote: |
| @Layne, also factoring in young kids after a full day on the mountain... |
Our kids are used to getting changed in the car/toilets, driving down, eating/shopping and driving overnight - after skiing on Saturday!
We drive, not fly obv.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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@Layne, not for me. It's for my mate who has 400 odd bottles in a bonded warehouse. I just drink some of his occasionally!
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| Layne wrote: |
| afterski wrote: |
| @Layne, also factoring in young kids after a full day on the mountain... |
Our kids are used to getting changed in the car/toilets, driving down, eating/shopping and driving overnight - after skiing on Saturday!
We drive, not fly obv. |
Your total travel time probably equals my total travel time. Just that 7 hours of mine is on a plane.
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Seeing the worries about catching flights makes me glad I drive, five hours between Albertville and Moutiers last Saturday notwithstanding. Decided early in the week that I'll head down from Les Arcs on Friday, and have booked hotel in Annecy. Was anyway only going as far as Reims on Saturday, with tunnel early afternoon Sunday, so it will be a leisurely journey. It helps only having 45 minutes to travel from Folkestone.
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| afterski wrote: |
| @ski3, I was rather hoping for a decent wine shop recommendation from anyone who replied to me, in addition to the travel advice... |
Apologies afterski.
Similar here in not being well versed in this area.
Friends living in a different area have used this one https://www.conroy.fr/content/10-caviste-bonneville-conroy-vins-et-spiritueux close to southern environs of Geneva, and convenient if you're intending to pass through Annecy.
Maybe of interest.
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@Origen, iirc it's a "Nicolas"? It certainly was at some point ...
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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From the above link:
Update date: 06-02-2025 - 06:20pm
Barring any major incidents, the Prefect of Savoie has confirmed that traffic conditions in the Tarentaise valley will return to normal by 4pm on Friday 7 February.
The safety inspection and resurfacing of the asphalt will enable the RN 90 to be reopened in both directions on two lanes.
Important information: To allow traffic to switch from the Ponserand tunnel to the two-lane upbound carriageway, the road will be completely closed for 2 hours on Friday 7 February between 2pm and 4pm.
The reception and accommodation plan remains on pre-alert throughout the region.
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| afterski wrote: |
| The safety inspection and resurfacing of the asphalt will enable the RN 90 to be reopened in both directions on two lanes. |
That’s good news, so just the normal amount of school holiday transfer traffic to deal with.
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You know it makes sense.
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Really impressive how they have managed this to minimise stress and inconvenience to holidaymakers, and losses to local businesses.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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INFORMATION RN90
 Jean Luc Boch Mayor of La Tarentaise Beach
The RN 90 reopens this Friday, February 07 from 4pm.
Attention the Tunnel of Ponserand will be closed in both directions for 2 hours to allow the re-establishment of the official signage. The Olympic Hall in Albertville will be open to receive motorists to be patient. Estimated 2 hours of cut-off 2pm/4pm. La Plagne Tarentaise Savoie France #LaPlagne #circulation #tarentaise #savoie
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Poster: A snowHead
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| CourchGal wrote: |
| Really impressive how they have managed this to minimise stress and inconvenience to holidaymakers, and losses to local businesses. |
until they find they haven't actually secured the slope and multiple people are injured or worse! Hopefully they have sorted everything and there are no further problems, around here the roads from the lower valley to the upper valley are investigated at least twice a year by the geologist team and repairs are sorted out as appropriate. In the bigger valleys I.e. Zillertal the repairs may take longer as the dangers are usually further from the main road than appears to be the case in this instance.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Interesting to see that there are still tickets available on the direct Paris to Bourg trains both this Saturday and the following one. I thought they might all have been snapped up by now.
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I’m in Les Arcs and have been given a coach departure time of 4 am for an 11 am flight departure from Geneva on Saturday. The impression is that they don’t expect the journey to take that long as they have said once they get past any problematic areas they will park up rather than drop us way too early at Geneva.
Last Saturday was grim. Nine hours from Geneva to Les Arcs, but at least I was on a half empty coach with a working toilet. My friends (with small children) took 11 hours on a coach with a non working toilet.
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Seems there are plans to reopen the road on Friday afternoon - I really hope the reports are true.
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@Chris_n, The area had been inspected before the start of the season. But in a geologically active area at the confluence of two fault lines there is always a risk. But hey feel free to have a pop at the French.
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| Chris_n wrote: |
| CourchGal wrote: |
| Really impressive how they have managed this to minimise stress and inconvenience to holidaymakers, and losses to local businesses. |
until they find they haven't actually secured the slope and multiple people are injured or worse! Hopefully they have sorted everything and there are no further problems, around here the roads from the lower valley to the upper valley are investigated at least twice a year by the geologist team and repairs are sorted out as appropriate. In the bigger valleys I.e. Zillertal the repairs may take longer as the dangers are usually further from the main road than appears to be the case in this instance. |
Sorry @Chris_n but I'm with @chocksaway on this one. Given the amount of terrain you're talking about it is utterly impossible to ever be wholly sure that there will be no rockfall. There is an inherent instability in the tectonic plates which is why we have mountains in the first place and then, additionally, you have erosion and ice expansion potentially cracking large rocks. We all need to get realistic about risk and understand that there is no such thing as 'totally safe' ... only reasonably safe. There are signs warning of potential rockfall ... we've been warned.
I completely understand that the initial knee-jerk reaction to any untoward incident is 'How do we stop this happening again' but, unless this is tempered by an understanding of the inherent risk level, we end up with excessive regulation which does nothing material to change the risk but creates more cost and delay to normal activities. The law of unintended consequences bites hard and often in such circumstances.
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The road closure initially stated as 2pm to 4pm today has been brought forward to 12:30 to 14:30.
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@snowrider, yep, they announced the change of times at 12, only 1/2 hour before the new closure time. I call that bloody annoying, especially for those that have planned their travel to get through the tunnel before 2pm.
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| Blackblade wrote: |
| Chris_n wrote: |
| CourchGal wrote: |
| Really impressive how they have managed this to minimise stress and inconvenience to holidaymakers, and losses to local businesses. |
until they find they haven't actually secured the slope and multiple people are injured or worse! Hopefully they have sorted everything and there are no further problems, around here the roads from the lower valley to the upper valley are investigated at least twice a year by the geologist team and repairs are sorted out as appropriate. In the bigger valleys I.e. Zillertal the repairs may take longer as the dangers are usually further from the main road than appears to be the case in this instance. |
Sorry @Chris_n but I'm with @chocksaway on this one. Given the amount of terrain you're talking about it is utterly impossible to ever be wholly sure that there will be no rockfall. There is an inherent instability in the tectonic plates which is why we have mountains in the first place and then, additionally, you have erosion and ice expansion potentially cracking large rocks. We all need to get realistic about risk and understand that there is no such thing as 'totally safe' ... only reasonably safe. There are signs warning of potential rockfall ... we've been warned.
I completely understand that the initial knee-jerk reaction to any untoward incident is 'How do we stop this happening again' but, unless this is tempered by an understanding of the inherent risk level, we end up with excessive regulation which does nothing material to change the risk but creates more cost and delay to normal activities. The law of unintended consequences bites hard and often in such circumstances. |
agree (aprt from the bits about faults and tectonic plates, this is much more likely to be about Qaurternary processes and seasonal moisture and frost variation, and more likeliy being annually modified by climate change to evapotranspiration levels)
but absolutely right!
Of course one would inspect periodically, but the science of soil and rock instability and kinematic feasibility of gross simplifications of reality, the two main techniques are almost mutually exclusive, but big rocks , moisture, root and vegetation action dont pay much attention to the theory 
so correct, no assurance of safety even if there are sensible and proactive assurance methods
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I think the easiest way to ensure safety, would be to move the mayor's home into the rockfall zone.
Knowing the pilot is on the same plane as me, gives me a lot of comfort.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Live update 3.15pm Friday. We had to drive over from St M to Meribel this afternoon as Mr P had his final dentist appointment (implant). Not ideal given we are also heading home. Traffic a bit heavy on the way down to Moutiers, but the N90 is fully open. 2 lanes downhill in the tunnel and 2 lanes on the uphill side 
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That's really impressive. They must have been working flat out. My lodger will be glad to hear that as he's driving with friends up to the Courchevel valley tomorrow!
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You know it makes sense.
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@snowdave, As I used to say about pilots: "The driver wants to get home to watch Coronation Street".
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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@Nemisis, 
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Poster: A snowHead
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It didn’t go so well from the Tarentaise valley, there was a crash in the Tunnel du Saix. I’ve seen pictures of the queue but don’t know how long. For that we may have to wait for GeorgeVII to have his first beer. I hope it didn’t put people into the subsequent tunnel closure.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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@sev112, I was quoting what one of the ologists (Maureen Lipman anyone?!) was saying in the local paper, I suspect a bit of both your processes and the earth shifting a bit - who knows?
I know the large pipes that feed the Hydro plant in Bourg from above reached their limit of flexibility in 60 years because of movement.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| chocksaway wrote: |
@sev112, I was quoting what one of the ologists (Maureen Lipman anyone?!) was saying in the local paper, I suspect a bit of both your processes and the earth shifting a bit - who knows?
I know the large pipes that feed the Hydro plant in Bourg from above reached their limit of flexibility in 60 years because of movement. |
blimey , yea i could certainly understand that, ive lwts wondered about the asset insoectuons amd management ofnthose very steep hydro pipes we see all over the alps
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they are specially troublesome when they gyre and gimble in the wabe. And the mome raths outgribe.
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| Origen wrote: |
they are specially troublesome when they gyre and gimble in the wabe. And the mome raths outgribe. |
Definitely sounds painful
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We left Tignes about 8:30pm. Smooth run through. A fair amount of traffic coming up the valley, but all looked to be moving ok.
Good luck everyone travelling tomorrow!
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Just made it to Chambrey airport from L Tania. Took about 1h40. Queues in the other direction were huge! Going to be a long travel day for many, it was moving though
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The usual traffic for this weekend in both directions this morning at around 10am.
Going uphill it’s heavy but moving all the way from Albertville to the traffic lights before Ponserand.
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We left Meribel at 8.20 this morning and sailed through to Albertville. They were restricting the traffic flow past the rock fall site and the queue heading to the Tarantaise was about 12 kms at that point.
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We left Meribel at 8.20 this morning and sailed through to Albertville. They were restricting the traffic flow past the rock fall site and the queue heading to the Tarantaise was about 12 kms at that point.
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