 Poster: A snowHead
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| hang11 wrote: |
Only time I’ve ever taken a pass off someone was when they went through 4 sets of ropes, ignored repeated warnings shouted at them, tried to change a closed sign to open, and dropped into some dicey terrain right above several hundred people on a groomer below.
Even then they argued back. |
What was their argument?
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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| jedster wrote: |
@zikomo, I'm confused. Why would it not make sense to stop your group at the edge to it is obvious that skiers need to pass inside you? This seems a much more efficient use of piste space. If you leave me a channel on the outside I would assume you left it for me to be used. Why else leave it?
To be clear, I would only use that channel at a speed that I felt very comfortable I could avoid problems. But leaving that channel INVITES people to use it. |
How do you stop a group at the edge of the piste? You need to leave space behind them to enable the last person to ski comfortably and safely behind the group before coming in to line at the bottom of the group. Depending on circumstances I would then either ski off if we had just been waiting for one or two people or if I was explaining a new drill etc I may ask them to move backwards to the edge of the piste to close the gap.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| Chris_n wrote: |
How do you stop a group at the edge of the piste? You need to leave space behind them to enable the last person to ski comfortably and safely behind the group before coming in to line at the bottom of the group. Depending on circumstances I would then either ski off if we had just been waiting for one or two people or if I was explaining a new drill etc I may ask them to move backwards to the edge of the piste to close the gap. |
It's called a kick turn 
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@Chris_n,
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You need to leave space behind them to enable the last person to ski comfortably and safely behind the group before coming in to line at the bottom of the group.
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Ah, that's AN answer to one of the questions which I put to zikomo. It does, as Dave of the Marmottes says, seem a bit selfish and/or like wishful thinking, though, to reserve 15 feet of piste for the sole use of classes, doesn't it? And would it not be possible for your class members to ski down 'piste side' of you and still come to a tidy halt below the group? I suppose they might end up facing the wrong way, in which case a kick turn might indeed be required, which would open up all manner of opportunities for knocking the rest of the class over! This does seem to be an issue fraught with complication...
The sad thing is that absolutely nothing will solve the problem of the selfish, high-speed maniac straightlining down the edge, irrespective of who might be in his/her way.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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I guess I'd say if there is sufficient space for a class member to ski " comfortably and safely" behind the group then the instructor doesn't really have much grounds to complain if a member of the public does the same.
Part of the problem of teaching classes on public piste really.
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| Dave of the Marmottes wrote: |
I guess I'd say if there is sufficient space for a class member to ski " comfortably and safely" behind the group then the instructor doesn't really have much grounds to complain if a member of the public does the same.
Part of the problem of teaching classes on public piste really. |
Yes
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| Dave of the Marmottes wrote: |
I guess I'd say if there is sufficient space for a class member to ski " comfortably and safely" behind the group then the instructor doesn't really have much grounds to complain if a member of the public does the same.
Part of the problem of teaching classes on public piste really. |
I agree, that's why I'm not complaining but it is also why I move them back if I'm going to be there for any length of time. If there is a gap someone will always go for it which unfortunately can lead to problems with either distraction or object fixation. Sometimes this can lead to catching an edge while still above the group or the person going for the gap to not realise exactly where the edge of the prepared area actually is. It certainly wouldn't be the first time the person at the bottom of the group gets their skis skied over when the overtaker starts looking at the group.
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The CASI reference Guide (2020) is easily accessible, as are other teaching manuals. I like this one as it talks about instructors' duty of care, and explains in reasonable terms how to deliver that. Page 13 and 14 talk about where a class might be positioned, which includes picking places which are sufficiently wide etc. On page 14 there's this: "When stopping on the trail, ensure all group members are to the side of the run, away from any potential risk of collision." I think we're all sharing the same space, to some extent, and most of us manage to do that without significant problems.
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| ...if I was explaining a new drill etc I may ask them to move backwards to the edge of the piste to close the gap. |
That sounds entirely right to me, if that's how they'd grouped up.
I try to avoid stopping during a run, but sometimes it's necessary. If I'm going to stop my snowboard at the piste edge I'll just spin it around and slide in gently backwards... perhaps they ought to teach novices switch rather than snowploughing. [ducks for cover]
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| phil_w wrote: |
| I try to avoid stopping during a run, but sometimes it's necessary. If I'm going to stop my snowboard at the piste edge I'll just spin it around and slide in gently backwards... perhaps they ought to teach novices switch rather than snowploughing. [ducks for cover] |
For us we have to stop on a red that we use a lot for teaching as the middle part of it is not so steep and very wide so is ideal for introducing exercises before trying them on the steeper top part next time around. As for switch, no need to duck for cover, I usually teach beginners how to ski backwards on day 3 along with falling leaf side slipping forwards and backwards. Unfortunately when I teach intermediates they often haven't learned with me so often have to reinforce these skills before we venture on to red runs.
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