 Poster: A snowHead
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I’ve just upgraded my GoPro as I want to be able to film my children skiing. My last, seldom used GoPro was in a case and was mounted to my helmet. On numerous occasions I would catch it on the chairlift safety bar and a couple of times it was knocked off the helmet. It does seem the most convenient place to attach it but are there any techniques to prevent it being knocked? I could never work out whether to lean my head forwards or backwards before.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Mount it on the side, works just as well AND no safety bar interaction and zero tellytubby look, more Glen Plake!!!
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Hubby would take it off or tilt it forwards on lift. It was a bit inconvenient. Footage is ace though!
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I used a pole mount. Got much better footage, as it was possible to film from in front as well as do flybys etc. and you can look where you’re going whilst filming something different.
The helmet mounts are banned in all the dry slope races I used to officiate at. The logic that was explained to me was that they risk creating a point load on the helmet (even without a go pro attached).
Or swap the GoPro for a drone, get even better footage and save money 
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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On a pole would be easier to operate as well… + you have a selfy stick.
If you wear a backpack, how about a mount that attaches to the pack
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I had the same issue, what helped was taking control of the lowering of the bar, lean to the side, and just let the bar down when ready. Same getting off
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Yep, all you need to do is tilt your head to the side.
You do need to remember to do it every time though...
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Sit down on the chair and hold your hand above your camera/helmet/hat /head so when the other people try and force the bar down quickly.... you can control it coming down slowly with your gloved hand and move your head etc .
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Sorry, simple answer - no GoPro
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Hubby also mounts his on a pole sticking out of his backpack.
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Someone sharing a chair with me that tried to dictate the rate that the safety bar came down, just to protect their tellytubby status, would get pretty short thrift.
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Chesty mount
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You know it makes sense.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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| dode wrote: |
| Someone sharing a chair with me that tried to dictate the rate that the safety bar came down, just to protect their tellytubby status, would get pretty short thrift. |
You should always check first, regardless of teletubby. They might just be tall and not quite ready to duck yet. Like me. Hitting people in the head with the "safety bar" is a bit bassackwards.
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Poster: A snowHead
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| dode wrote: |
| Someone sharing a chair with me that tried to dictate the rate that the safety bar came down, just to protect their tellytubby status, would get pretty short thrift. |
So you want to be the one to dictate the rate that the bar comes down, while your feet are a whole 2ft off the ground?
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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A search for “GoPro Mount banned” will tell you all you need to know about multiple sporting safety bodies’ views on mounting cameras (or anything else) to what is supposed to be a vital piece of safety equipment.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| SnoodyMcFlude wrote: |
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I thought of that but OP wants to film children which probably means to the side and maybe behind.
Gimbal stick could be an answer.
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| dode wrote: |
| Someone sharing a chair with me that tried to dictate the rate that the safety bar came down, just to protect their tellytubby status, would get pretty short thrift. |
So you want to dictate their rate? Makes you equal to them.
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Put the GoPro on the kid. Lots of fun footage and plenty of bar clearance.
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Assisting with the bar just makes sense (aka put your hand up). Why let someone else bring it down when your friends/family might not be ready? Anyone with a backpack knows you can end up getting clipped or worse. My wife lost her vision temporarily after a bar was brought down on her helmet too quickly.
Re mountings and cameras you might want to look at a 360. Insta360 do a ton of mounts including a rucsac strap mount and a couple of options for backpacks. I have found that this gives better footage as when I tried helmet mounts I realised I look around alot which is not good for footage. Shooting 360 means you get everyone and, very importantly, it means that as the cameraman you can also enjoy your run.
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The jury was never out on this to begin with! It was some speculation with no actual evidence - but are you really surprised a journalist looking for a sensationalist article writes such nonsense?
The plastic and glue involved in attaching a gopro are simply not that strong when compared to the kind of forces necessary to cause such injuries. They will fail far before other things. If anything the deformation of the camera mount may help absorb some additional energy.
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@boarder2020, I'm not sure about that, the glue is fairly strong and all it needs is for the angle to be right and it would be pressing in. Use any metal in the mount (which plenty of people do, I have on our racing car) and I can see how it could cause an injury. Of course if you're already hitting something solid with your head then there's a good chance it doesn't matter how the GoPro is mounted.
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@SnoodyMcFlude, in fairness your hypothesis is the same as the most comprehensive study I've seen on this (although climbing helmets, not skiing). However, actual testing showed if anything the camera mounts just help by absorbing some extra energy.
""In fact, in not one of over 70 tests on various helmet types, mounting types or mounting positions did the presence of the camera cause the helmet to ‘fail’ the injury threshold standards. And this wasn’t solely because the camera broke away on impact (as claimed likely by the manufacturer), because this only happened in approximately 40% of tests. It turns out that, as seen on high speed film, when struck by a heavy weight from above, or when a helmeted head-form is dropped from height onto a solid surface, the deformation of the camera mount seems to actually absorb some of the energies involved, meaning that the camera mount may be providing an additional layer of protection to the head in most, but not all, tests"
https://www.trl.co.uk/publications/safety-testing-of-helmet-mounted-cameras
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@boarder2020, It's an interesting study, which shows that for "standard", i.e. straight on/linear impacts, the mounts are, as you say, "protective".
However, if you're not planning to whack your helmet into obstacles in a completely linear predictable way then...
" the effectiveness of climbing helmet protection may be significantly compromised when either inappropriately used (i.e. poorly mounted helmet cameras) or involved in “out-of position” impacts where the helmet is loaded in a non-standard impact configuration".
So, having read that study, will you now keep a gopro permanently mounted to your climbing/cycling/skiing helmet because it's protective for a certain tightly defined set of standard impacts? Or are your wipeouts, like mine, somewhat unpredictable in their nature with a variety of non-linear and rotational forces?
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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@snowdave, there have been multiple studies none of which have found increased risk of injury due to mounting cameras on helmets.
In over a decade of widespread use there has been no real world examples where camera mounts have been seriously linked to injury. (I'm not classing 1 journalists speculation that he later withdrew as "serious").
So I just can't really see where a claim they are dangerous can come from.
There's probably an argument that wearing helmet cameras has resulted in more risking taking behaviour. In that regard they may well be more dangerous!
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You know it makes sense.
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| SnoodyMcFlude wrote: |
| dode wrote: |
| Someone sharing a chair with me that tried to dictate the rate that the safety bar came down, just to protect their tellytubby status, would get pretty short thrift. |
So you want to be the one to dictate the rate that the bar comes down, while your feet are a whole 2ft off the ground? |
My personal favourite is when your feet are still literally on the ground! 
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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| TOLOCOMAN wrote: |
| SnoodyMcFlude wrote: |
| dode wrote: |
| Someone sharing a chair with me that tried to dictate the rate that the safety bar came down, just to protect their tellytubby status, would get pretty short thrift. |
So you want to be the one to dictate the rate that the bar comes down, while your feet are a whole 2ft off the ground? |
My personal favourite is when your feet are still literally on the ground! |
Lots of newer Chairlifts won't giev you a choice, bar comes down on the way out of the station, and up again on the way into the top station.
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Poster: A snowHead
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I've got a chesty 2 to try this season but I was really liking some footage I watched recently of it mounted on a boot.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Aboot?
Canadian system?
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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A few years ago I was skiing with an instructor in Meribel past the point where MS had his accident. In discussing what had happened, the area seemed quite innocuous, he said he had been told by his contacts in the Piste Patrol involved in the recovery that the camera mount had been bolted to the helmet. i.e. a hole had been drilled in the shell.
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@Thorney, having skied by that area when it didn't have much snow, it's far from innocuous and there are a lot of nasty big rocks to hit.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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If you've got a version with the decent image stabilization software, then you only need to hold it, use a small handle or mount it on the handle of your pole - you'll get better control of what you're aiming at and better footage as you can track with it without moving your body.
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