 Poster: A snowHead
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Skier.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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My view is that, given the standard FIS rules, I would expect that the skier in green overtaking would be at fault as he/she seems to contravene rules 3 and 4.
Rule 3: Choice of route
A skier or snowboarder coming from behind must choose their route in such a way that
they do not endanger skiers or snowboarders ahead.
The boarder appears to be carving consistent and predictable turns. The skier/rider behind seems to have misjudged the overtake, resulting in an extremely close pass.
Rule 4: Overtaking
A skier or snowboarder may overtake another skier or snowboarder above or below and
to the right or to the left provided that they leave enough space for the overtaken skier
or snowboarder to make any voluntary or involuntary movement.
Clearly, it didn't happen, probably poor judgment resulting in an uncomfortably close pass.
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Can’t see the movie. I tried copying and pasting url, but no joy.
Can anyone help?
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Skier 100%. Likely didn't even know boarder was there.
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You'll need to Register first of course.
You'll need to Register first of course.
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Without even watching, the uphill participant.
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Thanks fuzz. And yup it’s the obvious uphill answer.
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You'll get to see more forums and be part of the best ski club on the net.
You'll get to see more forums and be part of the best ski club on the net.
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Aye, no brainer. However, as a snowboarder I'd have known that a skier was there, and I'd have expected them to be unaware of my priority. That's never going to change.
By analogy, I know who has priority between car/ bike/ pedestrian on UK roads, but it would be unwise of me to rely that the other guy knows that too.
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Although the boarder was making some pretty wide turns, they were also being filmed and looked pretty predictable in their movements - the skier could have anticipated, made a slight adjustment to their path and easily missed the boarder.
So, skier at fault.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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The skier had enough piste available to their left to make a wider pass, so is at fault.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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I don't think it's ever going be as black and white as it might seem, in practice without video evidence the question of who was the uphill skier could be very much open to debate.
I had an accident two years back where I was the skier on the extreme left of the piste and was hit by another skier doing wide carves as she came to the edge. I was actually to the left of the piste markers after we'd fallen, last time I'd seen here a couple of hundred meters further up she was on the extreme right and I accelerated to be lower down the slope than her, then she appeared coming over my right shoulder and bang. Sadly she was seriously hurt, both knees fsked (her skis didn't come off, must have had the bindings wound up to the max).
Not the same as this, but the fact was that although I'm certain that she was higher up the slope just before the collision occurred she apparently believed otherwise, so I had to provide a liability insurance and I believe that at least part of the costs would have been claimed against that. It's not right, but there was no cost/penalty to me, so just wasn't worth disputing it - indeed, I wasn't really given any option to accept or deny any blame, the InsCos just sort it out amongst themselves.
Anyway, back to the question - as well as any other of the FIS rules that may apply, the overriding duty for everyone is to do everything they can to avoid accidents, and I think it's clear from the video that the snowboarder was not looking to his left, i.e. he did not know that the skier was there, so I'd say that if one were to try and apportion blame he would not have been judged a completely innocent party.
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However, as a snowboarder I'd have known that a skier was there, and I'd have expected them to be unaware of my priority. That's never going to change.
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Are you using mirrors or just have eyes in the back of your head?  There is absolutely no way the snowboarder in that video could reasonably be expected to know the skier was there.
I don't really think skiers are any better or worse than snowboarders in prioritising downhill person. In both groups the vast majority do a fairly decent job. Actually the worst person I know for this who has caused multiple accidents that where he was clearly to blame is a snowboarder.
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You know it makes sense.
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| ...Are you using mirrors or just have eyes in the back of your head? There is absolutely no way the snowboarder in that video could reasonably be expected to know the skier was there. ... |
Try using your head, for example to look over your shoudler.
No one's "expecting" someone else to do anything - read what was said, not what you think might have been implied.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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@phil_w, I do more shoulder checks than most. But there's no getting around the fact snowboarders do have a blind spot. If a snowboarder is traveling much slower than those above them, like in the video, they are never going to know there is someone over their back shoulder. Unless looking uphill every other turn which seems not only completely unreasonable/impractical but probably not particularly safe to those below them!
Of course I would always recommend looking uphill before merging or if planning to deviate from line significantly. It might not technically be your responsibility, but why not try to avoid an accident and we should all be working together in that regard.
@Chaletbeauroc, I agree with you that while we often see videos of completely reckless skiing a lot of crashes are not so black and white. Some could even be described as just unfortunate accidents that are going to happen. However, your take on the present video is wrong. The snowboarder is going down the hill making predictable turns following the same line. In which case those above really have no excuses in not giving them a suitably wide berth.
If you were skiing downhill in a controlled way making predictable turns and someone crashed into the back of you, I doubt you'd be too impressed when they said it was your fault for not looking!
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Poster: A snowHead
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