 Poster: A snowHead
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@ukoldschool, The Klein Matterhorn to Zermatt run is routinely done by Snwoboarders. There are three bits to look out for:
1. At the very beginning there is a flat section (about 50m) from the lift station. Sometimes you can make it but sometimes as a skier you have to do a bit of skating/poling.
2. As you come off the steep part of Klein Matterhorn (which starts immediately after 1 above) there is a shallow section as you head towards the next lift station (Trockener Steg). As long as you get up your speed on the steep section you get over it fine.
3. Right near the very end (past the last lift station at Furi) you go through a nice place with restaurants called Blatten - and turn into a small downhill section followed by an uphill section! It is not very long and if you known it is there you could get your speed up - but usually you are blocked by people who haven’t made it. I reckon I make it one in every five times.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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The base is little lower than required, but the ski piste is regularly open in winter months (dec-feb). You can do the whole run on piste.
Zillertal Arena - Ubergagnsjoch (2500 m) to Zell am Ziller (575 m) - a little under 2000m vertical drop (1925 m).
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| Indren is off piste. |
What is the definition of lift served vertical here? I get that it must also be a marked run, but does it have to be a black-red-blue-green ranked piste? The run from the Indren lift is an itinerary (run No.28 ) so doesn't get piste-bashed, as far as I know. There are many other routes from Indren which are off piste. Of course without that top bit the Alagna lift-served mountain doesn't reach the 2000 metres for the top group. With the drag lifts that used to go higher perhaps it would have come top.
In its great days, of course, Alagna was all off-piste: sometimes called the Italian La Grave (which is 2150 vertical to just below the village - or more off the end of the glacier to the road - but off-piste).
Last edited by Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see? on Fri 18-10-24 16:29; edited 1 time in total
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@ukoldschool, you'd be ok in Les Deux Alpes, probably have to keep your speed up in a couple of places, but other than that you're ok.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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| matejp wrote: |
The base is little lower than required, but the ski piste is regularly open in winter months (dec-feb). You can do the whole run on piste.
Zillertal Arena - Ubergagnsjoch (2500 m) to Zell am Ziller (575 m) - a little under 2000m vertical drop (1925 m). |
I've already given it an honourable mention above
Cracking run it is too!
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How did we forget Grand Montets to Argentiere....
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@8611, we didn't. Page 1. No lift at present tho'.
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What a great idea for a race in fairness. Maybe the new lift will be less of a pain of a hole to get up there also.
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Bumping this thread, let me put in a plug for my ever underrated local area of Montafon. Assuming a traditional year with snow cover down to the valley, Hochjoch highest point down to Schruns (Hochjoch Bahn Tal Station) is ca 1750 m unbroken vertical, down a mixture of pistes.
Incidentally, the area stayed open for locals during lockdown 2021 so I did this very descent 3 x every morning for several weeks. (Bytw, the normal stiff red piste end section was left as an unpisted marked ski route during that time, which added to the fun, tho’ could have been dangerous had there been any holiday skiers around)..I found I could time the descent so that with a 5 min walk, I could just catch the hourly bus back to the main uplift (the Zamangbahn) and so return to the top in ca 35 mins. Followed by ca 20 mins skiing to the bottom & again 5 mins walk to the bus. Then rinse & repeat.
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..I did however stack it badly once on the last section, just where it crosses a road, due to the unexpected appearance of a post van in my skiing space. This threw my timing out, as I had an hour to wait in the open in bitter cold before I caught the bus (Bytw all cafes & gastronomy & even the toilets were locked down although the main lifts were open, which gives a fair idea of the Vorarlberger priorities)…lesson learnt, as I made sure I caught the bus without mishap in future.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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| JohnMo wrote: |
@ukoldschool, The Klein Matterhorn to Zermatt run is routinely done by Snwoboarders. There are three bits to look out for:
1. At the very beginning there is a flat section (about 50m) from the lift station. Sometimes you can make it but sometimes as a skier you have to do a bit of skating/poling.
2. As you come off the steep part of Klein Matterhorn (which starts immediately after 1 above) there is a shallow section as you head towards the next lift station (Trockener Steg). As long as you get up your speed on the steep section you get over it fine.
3. Right near the very end (past the last lift station at Furi) you go through a nice place with restaurants called Blatten - and turn into a small downhill section followed by an uphill section! It is not very long and if you known it is there you could get your speed up - but usually you are blocked by people who haven’t made it. I reckon I make it one in every five times. |
1. Not any more. They’ve modified it or the glacier has changed so that now it’s a continuous shallow decline so no need for polling anymore.
3. I make it through nearly every time. The key is to carry your speed from the previous steep section across the flatter bit towards Blatten (a very very good restaurant - highly recommended) … with that, even with having to slalom around people, you’ll always (well, nearly) make it.
Just a shame that the Klein - Valtournenche has that very small lift in the way as, without it, it would be longer than Klein - Zermatt and it’s a much more fun run.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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| blueroom wrote: |
8. Laax 1100 / 2996 / 1896
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I'm not sure this is correct. Both the Laax and Flims base stations are at 1100m but you can't get to either of them from the top of the Vorab Glacier which is the only part of the resort that is at 3000m.
The best home run at that resort is from the top of La Siala to Flims. 2810m to 1100m. It has a 1710m elevation change so it ranks pretty well in the list anyway. It's my favourite home run. It has a bit of everything: massive steep motorway, twisty tracks, rolling descents through trees and then a final run down to the main station and a beer at the excellent Legna bar. Plus you get decent views pretty much all the way down. My wife and I once got our timings wrong and had to race down it once to meet our children who had been in morning ski school. A proper leg burner that day.
edit: spelling
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Revelstoke in BC has 1710m vert, which is outside the top ten but worthy of a mention - I remember the variation in conditions being mental, even between the 2200 top station and 770m mid station, as there was a really steep temp gradient that day - deep midwinter -17 at the top and spring conditions at the mid station. Final home run down to the base was very slushy!
It's definitely all skiable continuous from 2200, we walked up a bit further to about 2350 looking at my Strava file, but you can do 2200 to 512 all on groomers easily. And with pretty low distance as well, you could do that descent very quickly if you took the shortest route.
512 / 2200 / 1710
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You know it makes sense.
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Both the Laax and Flims base stations are at 1100m but you can't get to either of them from the top of the Vorab Glacier
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you can ski vorab to flims, traverse to nagens and down the red 18
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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| hobbiteater wrote: |
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Both the Laax and Flims base stations are at 1100m but you can't get to either of them from the top of the Vorab Glacier
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you can ski vorab to flims, traverse to nagens and down the red 18 |
Ok - I stand corrected. It's a pretty boring traverse though. You need to carry a decent amount speed. The last couple of times I've been there have both been a bit slushy and the 18 run was closed. Within the rules of the game though, you are correct.
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Poster: A snowHead
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Have started a separate thread but it seems that the new lift proposed for Bozel (850m) to Courchevel 1850 is going ahead with a piste back to it, likely to open in 2029. It has to open before the 2030 Olympics as it's part of the Olympic Village.
This would create a new continuous vertical drop from the Saulire of approx 2,740-850 = 1,890m.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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| Bergsteiger278 wrote: |
| Bumping this thread, let me put in a plug for my ever underrated local area of Montafon. Assuming a traditional year with snow cover down to the valley, Hochjoch highest point down to Schruns (Hochjoch Bahn Tal Station) is ca 1750 m unbroken vertical, down a mixture of pistes. |
Boarded this twice last week, it's a great run down into Schruns and a well deserved beer in Urmontis Apres bar at the end.
Not sure how long black 1D will stay open this upcoming week, was pretty bare in places on Friday.
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