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| porkpiefox wrote: |
| @BobinCH, That's really interesting to see it in summer conditions, I don't think I've ever looked at it in that way. The winter picture doesn't really show how big the moguls are either, as you've obviously got to be a long way out to capture the whole run. I've been down it a few times on my board (with my skier daughters), which is horrid, but obviously never in conditions that are sketchy. We didn't bother this past year, as conditions weren't good and, even though it was open when we were there, I didn't think it was a good idea. |
Yeah, thanks for posting that image.
All I remember about riding it, was that it had exceptionally big trenches running from the centre left and right, with the sort of traverse line which if you get in can be hard to get out of. And then the width of it meant that you did need to pick where you wanted to descend, and most people didn't go down the middle, hence that's where I went. I'd guess that Corbett's probably doesn't suffer from the same thing, because it has a "wally stopper" right at the top of it.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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| phil_w wrote: |
| porkpiefox wrote: |
| @BobinCH, That's really interesting to see it in summer conditions, I don't think I've ever looked at it in that way. The winter picture doesn't really show how big the moguls are either, as you've obviously got to be a long way out to capture the whole run. I've been down it a few times on my board (with my skier daughters), which is horrid, but obviously never in conditions that are sketchy. We didn't bother this past year, as conditions weren't good and, even though it was open when we were there, I didn't think it was a good idea. |
Yeah, thanks for posting that image.
All I remember about riding it, was that it had exceptionally big trenches running from the centre left and right, with the sort of traverse line which if you get in can be hard to get out of. And then the width of it meant that you did need to pick where you wanted to descend, and most people didn't go down the middle, hence that's where I went. I'd guess that Corbett's probably doesn't suffer from the same thing, because it has a "wally stopper" right at the top of it. |
Yep, once you're in a "channel", you're kind of in that line for a bit, until it opens up a bit. It's perfectly rideable and, in the right conditions, obviously not so much of a chore, but I'd much rather choose a different route around, these days.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| ski3 wrote: |
Put crudely, buttocks behind rear wheel spindle to avoid going over the bars too  |
One of my best ever purchases was a seat post dropper for my MTB, downhills are a little less scary now |
Off topic here i know ... the photos are taken with the photographer's back to Chambéry downhill course used in MTB championship.
Yes, getting the seat out of the way opens much more stance choice for riding the adventurous terrain.
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It appears to be general sentiment, on here and elsewhere, that a decision made with,, apparently, a bravado tone implied, will deliver quite different overview and feeling.
I dont feel there's any doubt if you were to stand there before entry that this is a serious slope, out of reach for the less skilled, even when it's open. I have skied it a few times to give indication of my view.
There's certainly no confusion if it was closed, as in this sad outcome.
But, many catastrophic personal injury takes place with very benign choices made, possibly with those involved simply ignorant of the dire consequences able to develop from their decision point.
Is one worse than the other ?
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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| ski3 wrote: |
Is one worse than the other ? |
Well one can possibly be interpreted as bad luck/ignorance, the other chancing one's luck?
I don't know what "worse" means but I know my personal sympathies are more with someone who gets overterrained through no fault of their own (often in cases I see where they simply following a more experienced* party member who simply hasn't considered their level of ability adequately).
* more experienced may simply mean has been on skis once before. I've had to sideslip student girls down slopes when their mates were utterly unable to help them and/or carry skis down so people could walk down to a point where they could handle the gradient.
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Anyone not made a bad choice that they later regretted?
I have had one horrific fall, and I know it was my fault, I wasn't concentrating, had my mind on an email I'd read in the morning. The instant I fell I knew it was stupid and wanted to go back ten seconds in time, to just concentrate better. I am so lucky and glad that I managed to minimised the tomahawking and slid 500m or so (250m vertical) without landing on on my head / breaking my neck. The very next week someone died in much the same spot.
For this poor man -
The consequences of that (very) poor choice were horrific.
Poor guy, and very, very sad for his family. The coroners verdict looks very sensible to me. No-one can undo that choice made by a brave man who many loved.
We can all reflect and perhaps use this to help us make good choices, but one day we may get it wrong too.
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Obviously we are no longer discussing any specific incident, certainly not the one in the OP!
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| Is one [way to die] worse than the other ? |
From the perspective of the dead person, it's obviously all the same.
However dying because you do something which requires actively making multiple stupid choices in sequence is obviously worse, yes.
| pisteoff wrote: |
| Anyone not made a bad choice that they later regretted? |
See disclaimer above: I'm not talking about that incident.
On your question...
The kids near us who ignored the signs and climbed the safety fences to get to the railway power lines "made a bad choice",
but I'm pretty sure I don't know anyone who sees "danger of death" signs and razor wire as some kind of challenge.
Obviously lots of the choices I make turn out to be "wrong", but that doesn't make them "stupid".
For that I suppose you have to also ignore the consequences of the risk of being wrong?
| dotm wrote: |
| ... I know my personal sympathies are more with... |
As a rescuer, we all made that compute in our head.
It didn't make a difference to how folk were treated, but that could be quite a challenge sometimes.
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@pisteoff, I don't think anyone who has ever had a fall with near meaningful consequences thinks they are somehow perfect. Sometimes we don't know we don't have the skill until we are exposed e.g. by a surprise patch of ice etc. Sometimes we just get unlucky e.g. I was tripped into a treewell by a submerged invisible root running across a traverse path.
You might say in the latter case you were in trees you should have have been prepared for roots (and indeed I said it repeatedly to myself in the 20+ mins it took to self excavate) but fact is I could have died through the most basic of accidents.
But bypassing a major closure does I think lead to greater self -culpability. If I was a pro guide I'd want to be very certain of the basis on which it was ok because if any client were to die I'd obviously be challenged in the fact. I think we should aspire, on a personal level to this degree of thinking.
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There has been discussion whether or not runs like these should be classified as pistes at all. One benefit I feel is that by classifying them as pistes, they will appear on the major display boards everywhere and it does help to make it clearer when they are closed.
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dying because you do something which requires actively making multiple stupid choices in sequence is obviously worse, yes.
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Worse than what? I'd rather die by breaking my neck on a short uncontrolled flight down the Swiss Wall than after sitting drooling in a care home for years or after months of pain and anguish with brain cancer (both of which have happened recently to people I cared about).
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Worse than what? I'd rather die by breaking my neck on a short uncontrolled flight down the Swiss Wall than after sitting drooling in a care home for years or after months of pain and anguish with brain cancer (both of which have happened recently to people I cared about).[/quote]
Breaking your neck is no guarantee of an instant death, but I'm with you regarding the second option.
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