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It was a rather wonderful day to day on and off piste (nothing too far from the pistes) with the visibility coming and going. We reckon up to 20cm in places. Pistes were quiet with no queues at all. As to be expected it bumped up quite a bit as the day progressed, but the bumps were pretty soft.
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Heading out this Saturday for a week, seems to be a classic Schrodinger's Snowline situation looking at the various forecast sites. Seems like precipitation is happening, just a matter of where on the mountain is going to be miserable or heaven. Hoping that Snow Forecast's Monday night numbers with a freezing level of 1400 is correct! Would've felt bananas to be worrying if there's going to be rain above 2000m in January when I started 15 years ago, but here we are.
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quick gendarmerie question-we left Tignes yesterday driving in a hire car and noticed gendarmerie in 2 locations on the route up from Bourg stopping vehicles going up (in snow) -just interested whether they were checking that vehicles had winter tyres ? or that they were carrying snow chains(didn't see anyone with chains on) or something else??
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@Myfanwy, Probably the snow tyre/chains thing. To be honest I wish they did it a bit more, especially on transfer day!
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This morning was lovely and sunny, with a bit of a breeze at altitude, a bit more cloud has developed this afternoon. A mate and I had a lot of catching up to do so we skied around the Palet - nothing really of note except the queue to enter Chardo Classique (the easy way into the Chardonnet Bowl) had 42 people in it. Lots of skier compaction up there but 42 people is quite a weight. TBH it looked like the queue to summit Everest. After that it was a couple of laps of La Daille, a little slick as you'd expect after a warm day and a cold night. as Santons was open we thought we'd have a go, just a few bits of vegetation showing through. As it was sunny we decided that we would do the 2 chairs up Bellevarde. And it turned out to be a classic demo if the phenomenon of 'Face Friday' where the last dayers have a go at Face de Bellvarde. It was carnage with folks somersaulting falling etc. One person fell near the middle pylon of the Olympique, skittled another, carried on without equipment, skittled another person and was still sliding beyond the ridge just above the snow front. I hope everyone was OK, but Folie Bravado was certainly in evidence. We returned to base via a trip round Combe Folle Poma (because it's there) and down JC for a late lunch before Frantic Friday afternoon kicked off.
Now the weather - the atmosphere is still in dynamic mode so take this forecast as a trend - timings will change and apps will fluctuate every time you refresh them. Tomorrow, in the daytime will be like today but with some strong valley winds. It will cloud over after tea and precipitation will start sometime between 8pm and midnight, and it will be snow from the Dam so any late arrivals will need to be equipped. It will be snow down to Brev from the early hours and the snow should stop falling sometime between brekky and morning coffee - maybe another 5-7 cm in the village. Sunday afternoon will see sunny periods. The clouds will thicken through the evening and precipitation will start in the wee hours of Monday morning and continue all day, with some breaks between showers, perhaps. The bad news is the snowline is likely to be around 1900m all day Monday and its going to be be windy aloft so there may be a sweet spot from say 2300-2600m where it is snow but not blowing you over. It will cool down through the night leaving snow down to Brev and fast moving snow showers through Tuesday (and an increased avi risk). At altitude - we could be looking at more than a foot of snow, perhaps even more.
For those leaving and arriving tomorrow there should be few problems weather wise - a bit bumpy and wet in the UK for the early departures and no problems over here (though it could be quite windy at Lyon). But after Storm unpronounceable the issue in the morning will be where all the aircraft end up tonight, especially north of the M62 and if there are very late arrivals tonight crew rest may become an issue - as the highly paid help at the front of the aircraft need their (legally mandated) sleep! Just keep an eye on your Apps. On the roads the forecast is for 30k vehicles coming up hill and 25k going down, so like last week it will be slow mid morning to Moutiers on the descent and expect teh lights to be operating mid afternoon on the way up. Anybody arriving after 8pm may find the roads a bit tricky with slush and snow.
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Thanks for the weather report! I'll take a snow line of 1900m over some of the mid-mountain soakings I've had the last couple of winters. Keeping above the villages around Tignes on Monday, then venturing out further down the mountain later in the week sounds like the way to play it.
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It was a nice morning as the curtain drew back - but it was obvious that there was a wind at height.. A group of us set off to do some skills and drills on really nice empty pistes - perfect snow. But above 2400m the wind was really quite something. I then got a message from @Timlongs which simply read "Fornet - Brutal"!!! After coffee at la Croiss we continued the theme down into La Daille where the pistes were almost perfect (especially the Stade) - a massive improvement from yesterday. the air temperature is well above zero so with the wind there is a lot of melting going on in the village. As we came back for a late lunch we seem to have been invaded by lots and lots of student aged folks disgorging from Dutch buses - can't find anything on line - but expect Val Claret to be busy and noisy this week. Its off to QDC tonight to eat and drink our quiz prize..
The skies will gradually cloud over and it will start snowing in the small hours, but it should stop by breakfast time giving us a 5cm or so top up. We should be left with a milky sky and strong breezes again. Again it will start snowing after midnight and Monday will see precipitation all day, perhaps with the odd gap in the afternoon. It will also be very windy. The snowline is likely to be just below Lac - so finding the sweet spot of snow below the fiercest of winds will be tricky and an increasing avalanche risk to deal with, tricky day for the resort staff. the snowline will drop to brev by teatime ish. Tuesday windy and snowy all day. Wednesday looks like sunny spells and snow showers. There is going to be significant snow amounts over Monday-Wednesday perhaps 30-50cm.
For the fliers tomorrow: In the UK bumpy and showery - maybe a bit of sleet in Scotland, over here nice
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Another successful night at QDC - I had the Classic Prawn Cocktail followed by the Butchers cut steak. After much hilarity this is now known as the full 'Berni'. Those of a certain age will understand. As a bonus I walked home through proper snowflakes.
Looking out of the bedcam you could see the sun glinting off the majestic mountain tops through the mist so it was a rush round to be ready for first lifts and easy pickings as most of the pisteing had been completed before the snow started. At resort level we had about 10cm and on high double that - but it arrived at high speed, so practically there were areas with no new snow and other areas with 30cm which was either fluffy, normal or wind blown - the full box of chocolates. We came down the piste from Aiguille Percee and then off piste around the Aiguille Rouge Chair. There was a lot of good turns - one or two not so enjoyable and there are still plenty of sharks off piste. After coffee, we headed over to Jardins du Borsat and Grand Pre - really nice snow, the steeper pitches seem to have little new snow at all/. The pistes were now bumping up badly - a first day intermediates hell! The sky started to fill in around 12 and as I type its now overcast with cloud on the peaks. I came back for lunch as I'm off to see a mates newly renovated flat and out to dinner at another friends. Busy!
The cloud will continue to thicken this afternoon and tonight and snow will begin at midnight +- a couple of hours. The wind is going to pick up and it's going to warm up rapidly. As such by morning it will be rain to about 2000m (best guess) and it will be blowing hard. It's going to be tricky to find a decent altitude band where you are not blown away in a whiteout or getting wet. It will cool down tomorrow evening such that it will be snow in Brev by midnight. Tuesday will be snowy and windy - the intensity of the snow will vary - maybe even stopping for periods in the afternoon. Wednesday is an improving picture with light snow till lunchtime and then sunny periods. Over the next 3 days we could be looking at 50cm - I wouldn't like to be an avi forecaster with swings in temperature, high winds from variable directions, some rain and a lot of snow. For Thursday the jury is still out - could be sunny periods or snow showers!
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@chocksaway,
Schooner of sherry & black forest gateaux?
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@Kenzie, Ooh yes please!
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@chocksaway,
Talk to Sarah & Duncan - there may be a market niche for them at little cost/risk!
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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I don’t think I’ve ever seen an entire mountain get so thoroughly chopped up by 11am before! Couldn’t find a single run that wasn’t top-to-bottom moguls, which my beginner friend found very dispiriting. Hopefully today’s weird weather will keep things more civil out there!
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@YetiWrangler, but it did have the positive effect of slowing people down and getting them to employ turning for a change. Having just been out for buns, the wind might mean restricted openings.
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You know it makes sense.
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As promised, it looked quite grim out of the window, a day for inside jobs. The precipitation has been light but mainly wet and it has been on and off all day, the dripping on the velux has been incessant and the balcony has cleared itself of snow and ice - the temp peaked at about 9 degs. So fair play to those who went out and sat on wet chairs etc! The wind was gusty this morning (outside the limits for a flat cap as I walked across the snow front) but that seems to have calmed down now.
So onto more positive things - the temperatures are going to drop quite quickly tonight- tomorrow will be 10 degs colder or thereabouts. The precipitation will intensify through the night so we could well wake up to quite a covering. There is an active trough of low pressure passing over us, and there are some very lively bits on it - so if we catch one of those - bingo! Tomorrow will be mostly snowy, perhaps a glimpse of the sun in the afternoon, how much wind seems to depend on whose model you are looking at. But on Wednesday there will be a gusty wind, the snow will peter out by lunchtime leaving sunny spells before clouding over again. Thursday will be grey, with maybe a bit more snow, the emphasis on the bit. Friday - not sure but the odds are in favour of a series of snow showers.
As I said yesterday the avalanche risk will be complex, the avi report is currently 40 minutes late so that's never a good sign. I'll look again later.
Its a risk 3 but complex - depending on where it rained today.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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@chocksaway, yep, was a Tour d’Netflix today. Pals who ventured out said it was varied, with a large amount of understatement. Will go with kit tomorrow but on gentle stuff only. Wednesday looking promising if temps stay low.
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Poster: A snowHead
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@Dr John, At least it’s snowing heavily at 2100m, it’s quite wet but cooling down. I see Wayne Watson is quoting an avi risk of 4 tomorrow. Perhaps the pisteurs have upped the local risk, wouldn’t surprise me.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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@chocksaway, 4 sounds about right. Wayne usually reliable. Saw a few reptations around yesterday, never a good sign.
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Good morning all, happy snow day! Lad in the hire shop just said opening of lifts and pistes will be delayed… Does anyone know any details, please? App doesn’t seem to give information about that yet, as far as I can see. Thanks. 
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@Chyvan, try listening to Radio Tignes. App claims it updates in real time - it doesn’t. Radio said Tufs and AP would be late as well as glacier. Clearly blasting still going on.
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Thanks. Was excited to head out, but now going for second breakfast!
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Tignes now! Pic taken at le Lac
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@Chyvan, There’s a link on page one to live lift openings for here and next door. The App is a bit slow to react.
Big morning, could do with a lie down!
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Indigo Neo manage all the parking in Tignes. It’s not always been an easy experience with them going for a proprietor space but I’ll give them some positive feedback here because I was dreading notifying them of a change of car for my proprietor space. I’d already used the parking through Dec and Jan but I’m returning in Feb with a different car. Turns out ALL I had to do was select my other car from a drop down menu and that made a request to Indigo which was approved within 30 seconds and my parking is now updated with the new vehicle - I love it when tech works.
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Well that was a mixed bag of a day - the weather followed the forecast and there was lots of snow this morning - 25cm in the village and 40cm up the GM. However,, the light has been very variable from blooming awful to not bad. The snow has been showery all day and the wind aloft was quite brisk. So it was really a matter of finding the sweet spot - for us that was off piste from the top of Palafour - we did try a bit lower but that was too heavy - so we did about 6 laps along with just about every off piste instructor. At the end of the morning I bumped into a guy who I know well, he'd done the same all morning - so decision making was sound(!). So there was plenty of fresh snow (not powder in my book - no surprises given the temps and the wind) but every turn was different. We did get a couple of runs in half sunshine - which made it much easier. But as it was my first real go off piste this season my legs had had enough by lunchtime. So a quick siesta followed by some magic in the kitchen.
We have just disappeared in cloud and the snow should increase in intensity this evening. This should ease off in the morning and should stop between breakfast and morning coffee leaving us with fast moving sunny periods - plenty of wind transported snow to worry about. The wind will pick up in the afternoon. Thursday will be mostly grey with a stiff breeze. There might be some light snow showers but each forecast is different. Friday will be a bit warmer and calmer - sunny periods. Saturday could be anything - cloudy, sunny or snow showers - take your pick.
@Grinning, Lets hope the barrier comes up then!!
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@chocksaway, we did find some true powder off the piste above the Boisses bubble - floaty, light and very deep! But definitely challenging conditions on piste at times today. We skied down to La Daille around 11ish and the run from the Toviere down (can’t remember its name) to the Folie was as busy as I can remember Tignes. Lots of people really struggling with the conditions. Later today the Silene was fantasic: lots of snow, not too many moguls. Hoping for a break in the weather tomorrow so we might see the mountains, and take advantage of the overnight snow. The thing that’s shocked me this week is how busy it is. January used to be empty!
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Well that was eventful. Didn’t start well with the bun shop not having any baguettes, then falling over on the ice in street. Managed to protect my metal hip but in doing so pulled a muscle on my flank a bit. Might have decided not to ski had it not been such a magnificent day. Three runs down the Lognon in wonderful powder put the pain in the background. The buses even arrived on queue on each occasion. Then up the Col des Ves, where Mrs SL managed to trigger a minor avalanche and deploy her airbag. You certainly find out how much you love someone in those circumstances. So having calmed down we decided to back up the Col in a get straight back on the horse kind of way. On the way back up someone else set off a bigger avalanche and managed to outrun it, leaving his mates to walk back up.
After a few more gentle runs we decided to head for home for a late lunch, ibuprophen and a hug. It did seem a lot quieter this afternoon. I guess folk don’t like the bumping up.
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Well this morning was a bit of a surprise. There was a bit of mist about but a lot more snow on the balcony (I had cleared it last night). The avalanche forecast for this parish was expecting 15-20cm overnight. The official Tignes stats say 46cm in the village in the 24hours to 8AM and 80cm up the Grand Motte - I thought there had been a lot of blasting. So that changed the dynamic of the thinking. So again we did a lot of laps around the Palafour, the snow was lighter but deeper so the legs are still aching. Down towards the bottom oof the Aiguille Rouge provided good fun (though not for the French Army guy being loaded into a blood wagon in front of his mates). Despite all the warnings you are clearly exempt from avalanches if you are wearing an Apex 2100 jacket - plenty of idea but no gear is a pretty poor example to set when you are supposed to be a 'ski boarding school' looking after impressionable and, in the main, entitled school kids. By now it was getting chopped up off piste - we did familial but fresh tracks were getting harder to find. So t'was up the GM where, in the flatter high areas the wind had left a bit of a soft crust, so that bit was less than elegant. But in the secret gullies it was somewhere between the knees and the nether regions and deserted - making trails was tiring. So a late lunch and a siesta.
The skies will cloud over tomorrow night but for tomorrow just about anything could happen. There is a mess of occluded fronts over the top of the Savoie, so it will be cloudy and it is very likely to be quite windy. But there is a band of precipitation just to the south of us which may stray north. Only Meteo France have us with snow in the afternoon (sleet in Brev), the rest of the models don't. So, look out of the window after lunch! Friday - mostly cloudy with some sunny periods and perhaps a light snow shower late afternoon. Saturday - sunny periods and fluffy clouds. Then 3 days of Dame Vera!
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All the pistes were pretty well bumped up which did a lot to sort the unguided missiles out and slow the frenetic pace to a more reasonable level
Off piste hero’s with no gear or idea also provided entertainment !
Best day of Jan for me today legs shot now
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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@snowornever, I'm 70km northwest of you, but ditto.
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It was an unusual morning! The alarm went off when it was still dark as a group of home owners in Tignes had been invited to an owners 'premiere traces' with a pisteur. So just after 0815 we were on the Toviere Gondola with a group of 7 pisteurs and a very excitable avi dog, who was obviously dead keen to be going to work. At the top we had a brief on the structure of the piste safety organisation, the opening of the pistes, avalanche prevention (gasex and explosives!), First Aid and the various helos and doctors that can be drafted in to assist when it all goes wrong as well as their extensive training. We then followed them down Piste Henri as everything was checked and then into the Bollin Resto for Coffee and Croissants courtesy of the Commune and the Q and A session continued. Just a great insight - as well as first go on a corduroy piste!
Just a few facts for those that are interested:
There are 4 sectors: Toviere, Grand Motte, Palet which have 7 pisteurs on duty at any one time and Aiguille Percee which has 12. On opening, one stays at the top and the rest ski all the pistes and declare them safe before the lifts are allowed to open to punters. After a period of snow they report for duty an hour earlier, the Gasex are then controlled by the Control centre in Lac (these are in dangerous places or places that would require a hike). The pisteurs then follow a pre-prepared route in pairs using the hand thrown explosives. The initial training for the explosives takes place in a quarry to learn the basics before starting on snow. Once the sectors are open, 1 pisteur is nominated as first responder for first aid whilst the others check the pistes and the naturides periodically to ensure they are still safe.
Avalanche dogs have dedicated handlers, so if the pisteur has a day off so does the dog, but generally there are 3 on duty at anyone time in Tignes.
The local helo (red and white) is based in Boisses and is essentially a quick taxy service for the walking wounded, if a doctor is required then the Tignes control liaises with the PGHM and the civil authorites for an appropriate helo from Courchevel, Modane or in extremis Annecy.
We touched on piste safety - they were critical of some ski schools not drilling the basics and for blocking the whole slope with their snakes. They do speak to people to educate them if they have time. She was particularly unimpressed with people who whizz past crossed skis when they are dealing with a casualty. Of note Les Deux Alpes are experimenting this season with 6 extra pisteurs so they can patrol and educate people much more.
I probably picked up a lot more, so if you have any specific questions - try me!
All in all it's good to know what and who is looking after us.
Today was a mixed bag with plenty of cloud and some sunny spells in the morning, these became more prevalent as the day wore on. There was a strong local wind in places (outside the bollin Resto!) and it did look more grim to the south and east. Tonight will be clear and there will be sunny spells in the morning. The sky will progressively cloud over in the afternoon and there will be a few light snow showers through the evening and night. These will have stopped by the early hours leaving a day of sunny spells for transfer day. Sunday and Monday will see cold nights and sunny days where the temps will be quite pleasant by lunchtime. This high pressure regime currently looks like lasting all week - should make forecasting easy!
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Just an extended mornings skiing, it was a bit cloudy over Tignes first thing but it soon cleared. As it was Friday the pistes were busy with folks dashing around. The pistes were firm in places but generally in very good condition. We headed over to Val, intending to do Santons - but it was closed for avalanche risk at the top so it was Epaule de Charvet which had been pisted recently - delightfully quiet and just a few scraped patches which were easily avoided. Coffee was taken at Solaise Lounge (prices have gone up quite a bit since last year - but still reasonable). We did a lap of the Solaise, Rhone Alps was in great condition and deserted before returning home via the Palet.
The sky is now clouding over and soon after dark we are expecting light snow which will peter out in Tignes just after midnight. Perhaps 5 cm if we are lucky. Tignes will have a milky sky tomorrow and a stiff easterly breeze. This breeze will mean next door will suffer more cloud, especially in the Fornet sector where there might be snow blowing about in the breeze all day. After a few fluffy clouds dissipate on Sunday morning we will have 3 days of sunshine, cold nights and warmish days.
For the travellers, most of the UK will be grey or drizzly but nothing to affect flying. Over here will be fine as well if a little grizzly at Lyon. It will improve as you gain altitude towards your holiday! A bit busier on the roads this week with 32k vehicles heading up the Tarentaise and 25k going downhill with empty wallets. This is 2k more than last week, each way. So it will be a slow drag from Bourg to Moutiers from 9.30 till 12 and expect the traffic control lights on the way from early afternoon till dark. Nothing horrendous but forewarned is forearmed.
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I'm hearing reports of a rockfall down the valley beyond Aime, road and rail both affected 
Best of luck to anyone stuck in the resulting chaos.
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| moosepig wrote: |
| I'm hearing reports of a rockfall down the valley beyond Aime, road and rail both affected |
Very severe disruption on the roads, but rail services do not seem to be affected. Local transfer companies are offering to take their transfer clients to rail stations rather than their scheduled airports as that might be the best way in or out of the valley.
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Those rocks are massive. The occupants of that car were super lucky!
Hopefully road will be clear by next week, and the engineers deem that no risk of further rockfall...
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Sorry, I'm not a rockfall forecaster! But I think we have covered that one.
There was quite a bit more sun in Tignes this morning, but a sharp easterly wind and Fornet looked to be cloudy. As I was up early I went out on my own for 90minutes and found 2 cm of fresh on groomed pistes so just like silky corduroy (if indeed that's a thing). So I did a complete circuit of Palafour, A Percee, Merles, Bollin, Grattalu, Chaudannes, A Rouge and met the team at Chaudannes at 1030. Slackers. The pace then reduced a bit and we got to Rosies at 1230 for a birthday celebration. Thats when I heard about the rockfall. I had wondered why my phone had been buzzing for an hour or so. The sky then clouded over but its still a milky sky.
The sky will clear over night leaving us 4 days of sunshine and light winds. But the nights will be cold and the daytime temperatures will increase a bit over the week.
For the travellers tomorrow, the only thing of note will be the slim chance of fog at Lyon and Grenoble, other than that - fine. As for the roads, it looks like that bit of road will be shut for a few days - so it might be a bit slow with Sunday traffic levels through the tunnel before Moutiers which is now 2 way.
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| rob@rar wrote: |
| moosepig wrote: |
| I'm hearing reports of a rockfall down the valley beyond Aime, road and rail both affected |
Very severe disruption on the roads, but rail services do not seem to be affected. |
Got my info from friends stuck on a train being held at Aime... thankfully they got under way, about 75 minutes late. I guess the line needed checking to make sure it was safe.
Glad nobody was badly hurt!!
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| moosepig wrote: |
Got my info from friends stuck on a train being held at Aime... thankfully they got under way, about 75 minutes late. I guess the line needed checking to make sure it was safe. |
Im sure it was prudent to check the line, but things are running normally now. I’m on a train inbound, just approaching Moutiers and running to timetable. But the traffic jam on the N90 as we glide past is extremely grim. Even local roads in Albertville are gridlocked.
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@rob@rar, Yeah, some bits ended up on the D1090 below the expressway, thats not far from the railway track.
Le Dauphine quoting that traffic is now slow from Chambery, and the capacity of the now bidirectional Tunnel de Ponserand is 800-1000 vehicles per hour each way. The estimate for the number of vehicles still to pass through it is 8000-10000 on the way up. 
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