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The Arlberg Snow Report 2024/2025 (Dec 4th - April 22)

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stanton wrote:

Off Air next few days..

Gottseidank Toofy Grin
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Langerzug wrote:
@schauspiele, you will soon find out that it is indeed rather silly to refer to St.Anton. Lech is in another league. Very Happy (and charming Zug is officially part of Lech, not just 'near').


I look forward to discovering the error of my ways!
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https://www.instagram.com/reel/DCth3PZiKBX/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

(Patrick Baetz instagram reel)

Not often one gets to ski kandahar in these conditions. My mean side hopes he scratched those skis a lot Toofy Grin


Niiice

I got it like that in Nov a few (ähm, somehow now 8!!) years ago. Pretty special and an easy hike up from St Christoph. I don't have the photos anywhere else now but https://www.instagram.com/p/BMwIcO_AfIT/
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@clarky999, Great photo, i've experienced skiing kandahar piste untouched with a few inches of fresh occasionally on a full moon or sunrise hike but not like that except once hiking and bumboarding down it in knee deep slushy snow but for the life of me can't remember why Very Happy
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On a very leisurely journey to the Arlberg!
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@badatbetting, take your time the lifts dont open until Wednesday Very Happy
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Yeh it's a pretty long journey, would rather do it slowly and not be knackered for arrival. I don't get how people do it in one day (unless you live south east England)
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@schauspiele,


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Maybe some dust tomorrow

Nice Wintry cold to kick the season off



Mooserwirt €8.80 0.5%L Bier


Dont Forget to TIP !!!
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Maybe some dust tomorrow

Nice Wintry cold to kick the season off



Mooserwirt €8.80 0.5%L Bier


Dont Forget to TIP !!!


Euro 8.80 for 0.5 % of a litre, that's a massive increase, last year you could get a 100x that amount for around 8 Euros Happy. Have they got new Stiegl glasses in stock too for these micro-measure beers ? I prefer my beer in 50% of a litre sizes.
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@schauspiele,




Thank you for that, helps us plan - from that list it looks as if we may need a bus...
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Maybe some dust tomorrow

Nice Wintry cold to kick the season off



Mooserwirt €8.80 0.5%L Bier


Dont Forget to TIP !!!


How much was it last year? Eugh I hate tipping culture so much
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@schauspiele, Buses in arlberg are pretty good, but yes looking like buses to lech, zurs and anton for your skiing as none of the links will be open. Pistes however should be pretty good for this time of year.
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@schauspiele, Buses are few and far between until the 14th especially on the St Anton Lech route see https://www.stantonamarlberg.com/en/service/timetables

@badatbetting, The general culture is to add a small amount if someone serves you (ordering from the bar less so). The Moose is different in that they generally wont let you run a tab but normally you pay at the end and say the bill comes to €20.50 then round it up to €22. Of course if you have an American accent the server will expect at least 20% Very Happy . In many bars they will mark your beer mat with the number of drinks you have, so dont throw away your beer mat!
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munich_irish wrote:
In many bars they will mark your beer mat with the number of drinks you have, so dont throw away your beer mat!


I know this is a popular thing in Germany, I worked in Frankfurt for a while and lots of bars did it but I don't remember in St Anton - can you remember which bars do this ? I like the way it works ! The bars we usually frequent seem to track how many drinks you have had on your tab another way.

The moose will let you run a tab if you are upstairs in the bar with the glass window that overlooks the outside area. I think they keep your credit card until you pay though unless the bar staff recognise you then they don't bother.
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@JohnS4, Too many bars for too long a time so they all begin to merge into one! However I seem to remember that the Mondschein did the beer mat thing. Friedls in Pettneu too but not been in since covid (they only reopened last season). It often varies with servers, some are happy to remember others stick with the beer mat. I also suspect with the introduction of electronic sales systems linked to card payments the number of drinks sold is all recorded so less need for marks on beer mats.
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@schauspiele, December 4th is not December 13th Eh oh!
I’m quite sure things will look different by then, especially seeing the weather forecast
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Just got to st Anton, I am blown away how cheap the supermarkets are compared to meribel. I can actually eat a varied diet! Feeling v optimistic that this thread has been wildly overstating costs lol
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Hey guys, hope you're all well. I don't really know how to use the site so don't know who im writing to right now rolling eyes. Me and my brother are gonna be working for the Skischule St Anton but were unfortunately scammed out of our apartment. Anyone here know any seasonal accomodation or just have advice in general? Thanks to everyone, wishing you all a good season.
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@badatbetting, It depends, if you shop sensibly and keep away from some of the apres spots then it is not too expensive. If you are going to eat & drink in Base Camp every night you will run out of money in very short order! If your idea of a big night out is a visit to the kebab shop for a couple of beers and a Döner then you will have change left to spend in the expensive kit shops Smile What has got very expensive is accommodation, in the main season it is now very difficult to find places under €100/night B&B most a lot more, this is a deliberate policy of the TVB to push the place "up market".
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Opening Day Dec 4th Lifts in Operation

St. Anton/St. Christoph/Stuben:

Galzigbahn,
Osthangbahn,
Tanzbödenbahn,
Zammermoosbahn,
Gampenbahn,
Mattunbahn,
Nassereinbahn (as a feeder and return service),
St. Christophbahn,
St. Christoph practice lift, Arlenmähderbahn,
Valfagehrbahn,
Rauz practice lift

In the meantime until it is Opened up..

Rendl is your Friend Smile Smile
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Can't wait to hit the lifts tomorrow! Feel like my head is getting it's usual headache feeling I get staying at higher altitude but fingers crossed I sleep well!
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First lifts babyyyyy
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munich_irish wrote:
@schauspiele, Buses are few and far between until the 14th especially on the St Anton Lech route see https://www.stantonamarlberg.com/en/service/timetables


Good news, our first ski day is the 14th, looks like things will def be easier from then! Hope everyone who is there has a wonderful opening day tomorrow...
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info For the Lift Riders

Opening Day Dec 4th Lifts in Operation

St. Anton/St. Christoph/Stuben:

Galzigbahn,
Osthangbahn,
Tanzbödenbahn,
Zammermoosbahn,
Gampenbahn,
Mattunbahn,
Nassereinbahn (as a feeder and return service),
St. Christophbahn,
St. Christoph practice lift, Arlenmähderbahn,
Valfagehrbahn,
Rauz practice lift

In the meantime until it is Opened up..

Rendl is your Friend Smile Smile
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On a side note where did you know this in advance? It was super useful as the maps don't update until the day
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@badatbetting, I am sure the lift company will put something out on social media but being a grumpy old git I dont look in such places. However there is a German language forum similar to this and one of the regulars works in the Lech tourist office and he has promised to post a list of lifts that should running at the weekend on Friday see https://www.alpinforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=5452512#p5452512 (its in German but sure you can cope)

PS How were conditions today? I know it is due to snow before the weekend which will make a difference but always useful to get some feedback on the state of play.
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Brilliant thanks! Conditions were a mixed bag. We actually found navigating the map quite tricky, and we cut across pistes and my mate ruined a ski going hard over a rock. We called off the skiing about 1pm to sort out the gym etc.

Obviously I'm just incredibly happy to be back skiing, but we could seriously do with a big dump of snow.

We also got the bus up to mooserwirt, and walked down the piste to see what that's like with minimal skiers. That showed the conditions are quite icy.... The snow cannons here seem wayy better than France though!
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badatbetting wrote:
Just got to st Anton, I am blown away how cheap the supermarkets are compared to meribel. I can actually eat a varied diet! Feeling v optimistic that this thread has been wildly overstating costs lol


Supermarkets are what they are..I dont think anyone is overstating there costs.. They are the same prices all over Austria..

Most folks are referring to Eating & Drinking out.(prices).which is big draw for them ...

There are some stats (compiled) that concluded the vast majority of "leisure wintersport tourists" spend more time sitting down (Riding Lifts, Morning Coffee & Long Lunch Break plus other stops & then Apres Ski) during the day than they do actually skiing Shocked Shocked Shocked
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Folks..

A Couple of days ago European weather models were predicting quite a lot of snow for this weekend for the Western alps

In last 24 hours, there has been a reset for this weekend and could beneficial for Austrian ski resorts.
Not looking at the usual nordstau but a Genoa depression will probably be from Sunday..
Possible """Gegenstromlage"" that can dump snow into the valleys on a fairly large scale over most of Austria Alpine

But whatever it will be warm again Friday (freeze level 2000M) so rain first then turning to snow

Anyone who has been to the region over the seasons.. will know about the "Arlberg Weather Axis" ... Very Happy Very Happy

I expect we will get 0.5 to 1.00Metre out of this up on the Hill by Monday ..

Very Happy Very Happy
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Bluebird powder day prediction here.

A little hopium for a few weeks (whilst I'm there). Obviously a ridiculously long way out but we can cross out fingers.
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some nice webcam images !

https://www.foto-webcam.eu/
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Limited Lift Operations this morning (Wind) yesterday

Now back to opening day lift operations
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Weather

System is shifting ..more towards SudTirol (Italy)

We will probably only get 0.3-0.5 M (max)

Will be getting Wintry Cold Next week..

below freezing in the valley this morning !!

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How not to wear your Drink or Soup Very Happy Very Happy

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Stanton,................. you are desperately funny! Toofy Grin
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@stanton, you are either drunk or an American....... The bar man in the Dorfstuben was very happy with the couple of Euros I gave him last night. No one actually here is giving those sort of tips.
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As usual, stanton is spouting bilge.
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@nikolaikja, you'll just have to try posting in the st anton facebook groups, the swedish one sometimes has people looking to fill there accomodation, st anton apartments. Also asking all the people you meet especially other workers in the bars. maybe ask the ski school if someone has nt showed up they may have a spare room.

@badatbetting, you've got 3 supermarkets, mpreis, billa and spar. They are not too bad compared to france for sure, but if you go hofer in landeck for a big shop that can save some spondooleys.

Pistes have been pretty good for this time of year and even some powder to be found.
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Got here last night, not sure quite what the point of the live bands in the Dorfstrasse is, not exactly large audiences, perhaps more tonight.

Village is surprisingly busy, lots of Scandies and a few Americans.

For the first time in 40 years of skiing I have bought a season pass, should have bought one before a couple of times but never quite got round to it. It is a complete bargain. Given I get an old git's discount it should be €650 (which is a pretty decent price) but I also gave in a pass from last year (just a weekend ticket) expecting to get my €5 back. However this apparently qualified me as a "Stammgaste" (regular) so that reduced the price to €550. Given a full price season ticket is €1,170 this is a serious discount (believe the normal discount is about €950). Certainly worth coming for the weekend just for that. Anyone else who wants to take advantage needs to get here quick, the unadvertised "special offer" runs out at 17:00 tomorrow but only in person from the Galzig ticket office.

Fairly limited number of lifts & pistes open. Rendl is not due to open for a while yet. Cover at Kapall and Gampen looks thin & windblown. The Galzig piste has decent snow but busy with ski schools. Schindler started running today, as expected decent snow at the top, a few folk peering over the couloirs but sensibly giving them a miss, some heading down Schindlerkar which looks OK between the rocks but not sure about the cliff path and run beneath that. Red down to Ulmer hut was good but busy. Valfagehr was a mistake, conditions fine but far too crowded, mix of ski schools & beginners with young lads skiing too fast, snow deteriorated towards the bottom, small amounts of ice & moguls, which is fine except for the number of people. Flexenbahn had started up but by this point (11ish) was not worth the effort of going to Zürs especially if the weather closed in (it hasnt) and limited buses. Arlenmädher was decent and fairly quiet. By far the best skiing of the day was Kandahar, hard grippy snow beneath a loose surface, no mega moguls and many had headed to Steissbachtal. A far more pleasant (and easier) ski than the home run from the bottom of Osthang to Galzigbahn which would be stressful for the inexperienced, lumpy & scraped artificial snow.

Due to snow tonight not sure how much (forecasts vary between a few snow flakes to 0.5m), I would guess maybe 20cm if lucky.

Beer prices do not seem to have changed much €6.5 ish for 0.5L Tegernsee in the Dorfstuben
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Beer prices seem very reasonable! This is as much a good thing as it is a problem...
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Light snow started on Saturday evening and except for a few hours on Sunday morning has been at it pretty much since. I would guess 15 - 20cm in the village by the time I left yesterday. As you would expect this improved the piste conditions a good bit, especially on the home run. Kapall & Gampen were still pretty much closed, though the beginners area at Gampen did open. I know it is low season but a bit surprised that the lift company didnt make an effort to open at least one of the blue tracks down from Gampen there seemed to be enough snow. There were a surprising number of people, plenty in ski schools and learners for whom the home run past the apres spots is a fair challenge. Weather seems to be set fair from tomorrow which should see good early season conditions and I guess they will open up more of the area before the weekend (the snow cannons were getting a good workout!). Given more snow is forecast over the next couple of weeks this should set things up for the rest of the season certainly for the pistes.

Got to mention the folks at Jennewein, they really are the best hire place (not that the others are bad), got a brand new pair of Stöcklis for the weekend though did have to promise to avoid rocks! The staff are always helpful & knowledgeable.

Got talking to an Irish couple in the locker area post skiing, they stay for the season (skiing not working). They too couldn't quite believe the lift card deal. Contrary to what it said on the web site the tickets were available online (too late now). Apparently there has been a certain amount of grumbling from locals, that folk like me and the couple I was talking to were only paying €550 for a season ticket less than locals are paying (the Stammgaste discount was only available in person). Definitely worth keeping any sort of pass for next season on the off chance that this deal is repeated.

Sat having a coffee in the station bar waiting for my train, the barman refused a tip! I guess as it was too much faff changing the number on the card machine.
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Mild Good weather this week until Saturday a weak cold Front approaches..

Snowpack

Ulmerhütte 82 cm

Zurs (Hexenboden) 57cm
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