 Poster: A snowHead
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Don't use your poles to push away....it impedes others
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Pikee is a derogatory term for a traveller/gypsy in the uk.
Good point about poles. Shouldn't they be held together in one hand with grips just above shoulder in the hand not being used to push off?
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Yes, this is absolutely the right way with poles. Two in one hand, up in front of you, absolutely NOT trying to shove yourself along.
Pikey (note spelling) is always derogatory, and really no more acceptable now than "spastic" or "retarded" which used to be pretty liberally used. On the other hand, people say "fuck" all the time and anybody who is terribly bothered by it is going to get themselves in a permanently offended state, which is bad for the arteries and blood pressure.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Shove the kid over and go straight!
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Not something I've spent a lot of time agonising over. My strategy so far had been: wait for chair to arrive at top, make sure bar is up, stand up, slide, look left, look right, avoid others going in other direction, enjoy view... slide, repeat.
Am I wrong?
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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I found the best thing was to go skiing when, and where, the chairs were not full.
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Indeed. Good point
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Not as bad as losing a couple of teeth when the nutcracker flies off the tow rope and a length of steel bar smacks you in the kisser. I've seen that happen a few times. Even worse if it's caused by snapping a couple of fingers as they go through a pulley.
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Avoid taking chairs with snowboarders and old ladies.
I'm actually Ok with being dumped with 2 or 3 kids from a ski-school class. Presumably someone did the same for mine back in the day so its just paying back the karma.
If the don't all jump off the seat at the top, gently push them off and leave the top liftie to sort out the pile of bodies! (partially joking)
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@holidayloverxx, I am with you on this I am quite tall and I find that I need the ground to fall away a bit before I can launch...and I try to sit on the outside of the turn ...I remember one lift in Andorra where the exit snow just kept rising and I ended up nearly going down again
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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People using ski poles to push off away from chairlifts should be caned across the eyes.
They invariably try to pole plant through the top of your board, get zero purchase, and end up pushing you into someone else or pivoting into them and get all huffy.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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| Richard_Sideways wrote: |
People using ski poles to push off away from chairlifts should be caned across the eyes.
They invariably try to pole plant through the top of your board, get zero purchase, and end up pushing you into someone else or pivoting into them and get all huffy. |
I notice that I use a little calf flex (just after standing) against the front of the seat to give me an additional boost to clear the area.
Just me?
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You know it makes sense.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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@jedster, not just you. I do that to. Simple and straightforward.
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Poster: A snowHead
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| Richard_Sideways wrote: |
| People using ski poles to push off away from chairlifts should be caned across the eyes. |
Just tie them to the front of a snow cannon, one minute per pole infraction.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Lift entry woes today as I was a few mm away from popping ligaments in both knees. Even though it was quiet, for some reason there was a bunch of people all hanging around in front of the turnstiles. I took the snow plough option to get past a few just as a guy decided to ski over the back of one of my skis snagging it in the process. He kept going and my skis kept separating until eventually I couldn’t take the angle any more and tumbled over. My knees were grumbling somewhat. All at about 0.3mph.
Once he realised he apologised and asked if I was ok.
Last edited by Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person on Tue 7-04-26 17:21; edited 1 time in total
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Lady at work (from Südtirol) decided to quit skiing after a year rebuilding her knee. Son (10yo?) sitting next to her had somehow impeded exit, possibly planting his pole between her feet, or maybe stepping on her ski. The rest is surgery.
Hammerite glad you survived.
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being tall I find I like to wait for the slope to drop a little to make it easier to stand. Push off the seat with one hand (poles in the other) to give a bit of speed if required.
possibly because I'm usually with my friends or on an end of day sparsely populated lift, I would say the bigger risk to me is those on the chair in front falling or stopping, rather than my chair being erratic.
only exception - being next to a small kid I would usually try to get ahead of them. their low weight and short skis mean I would quickly catch them up, and dont want to be pushing into the back of their snowplough splying their legs apart.
In general, I would say that there are 2 times where "priority to the downhill/in front skier" does not apply - jump landings (not relevent to me) and lift unloads. If someone is in the way where reasonably you would expect the clear runout upon exiting I will 100% prioritise my own safety and ACLs over the person infront. no matter if they are 8 or 80, or already lying on the floor howling. I'm not going to be deliberately buzzing them or hitting them or shouting at them, but should it ever be required I'm protecting myself and the other innocents next to me.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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I am struggling to understand why any of this is so complicated.
That said, waiting in a group just in front of the gates to the chair for your mate(s) to arrive is remarkably stupid, and will be commented upon.
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My sister in law was helicoptered across New Zealand having dismounted a chairlift only to find skis absolutely stuck to the offramp. Wouldn't slide. She'd given herself a healthy push off, as you do, so went straight over the front of the skis and badly injured leg. When she skied for the first time in France she was entranced at how civilised the chairs were.
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| franga wrote: |
I am a boarder (regular - left foot first) and even though I have been at it for 25 years I still try and occupy the rightmost seat ...
Why?
I can always veer right at the top (away from everyone else) or at least maintain a straight line and head as far away from the lift as possible before bending down to strap.
The key to exiting a chairlift exit zone is to have a clear idea of what your path is and, most importantly, to look ahead (not down). |
Interesting - I always sit on the rightmost chair if possible but I am a goofy boarder (right foot forward)... My thinking is that whether I am riding down the mountain at full speed or pootling down the little slope after getting off the chair lift, I like to be able to see the people next to me. Totally agree about picking your line and looking ahead (not down)!
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I think its pretty common for snowboarders to prefer an outside position on the lift, if for no other reason than you're more likely to be able to cleanly get your board onto a foot peg easily. I have 2 friends who will habitually go to the outside seats, left for regular, right for goofy.
If i'm in a middle seat and its busy, I'll normally just let the board hang rather than trying to get it rested.
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@Richard_Sideways, same - it's often too much of a faff to try and get the board perched on a rest, especially on a packed chairlift where there are skis akimbo.
If I do happen to get sandwiched in the middle then I make a quick apology in advance to the person(s) next to me if I take them out 
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As a boarder, I've stopped feeling offended that I often get given a whole chair to myself as people hold back from getting on a lift with me, even though I'm far from a beginner. They're making the whole queue move more slowly, but that's on them! It just requires a last-second shuffle for me to get onto the middle seat so that I don't unbalance the chair.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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@oldschool72, mmm, there is a level of obscene luxury in being gifted a chair all to oneself, particularly out of our sheer force of presence.
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@oldschool72, I did have a few occasions last week when skiers in particular would queue alongside me but then I'd end up being the only one who'd move forward through the gate, the'd get the next chair.
There is definitely a vibe from some skiers that they don't want to be anywhere near a snowboarder (more often than the other way round). The bonus aside from having a chair to oneself is you don't get rental skis being bashed against your board
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Skiers can be lame like that on t bars too. It's weird as I should be wary of them. The 6 button pomas in Portillio were fine - numpty skiers don't ride those anyway.
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You know it makes sense.
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T-Bars are a good test of boot alignment for skiers, the ones on glaciers are fine when most people using them are racers with well set up boots.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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I was doing some filming with youngest son last week in La Plagne for his GCSE Snowboarding. One of the modules (you have to choose 4) was using a lift (T, Poma, chair) and he took the camera to film himself going up the Poma by the Riders Nation park. Oh boy did he make a Horlicks of it. He missed the first poma, caught the second but mistimed getting it under his leg so rode up about 50m of it just on sheer grip, while holding a camera too. In fairness, he did manage to stay with it, and did manage to get it under his leg but he cranked out every excuse in the book as to why it went wrong... needless to say I doubt we'll use that particular footage.
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Poster: A snowHead
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As I very beginner snowboarder I overtook 3 skiers going down the very short stretch from our apartment to the 4 man chairlift. And I rarely overtook anybody. There was nobody else on the slope and the lift was entirely deserted. As I waited for the gate to open the three numpties came into the other three gates. I'm a beginner, I said, better for you to wait for the next chair. I could have said it more nicely and apologetically in English. Oh no, they said, "ca va". Just showed how very little they knew. So I was between two useless skiers and had to turn fairly sharp right at the top (as did they). So I just decided to go straight across rather than try to turn across the idiot to my right. And landed in a heap of snow.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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| oldschool72 wrote: |
| As a boarder, I've stopped feeling offended that I often get given a whole chair to myself as people hold back from getting on a lift with me, even though I'm far from a beginner. They're making the whole queue move more slowly, but that's on them! It just requires a last-second shuffle for me to get onto the middle seat so that I don't unbalance the chair. |
If you insist on having a shuffle on a chair it’s no wonder people hold back for the next one.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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@Richard_Sideways, GCSE snowboarding..... my 16yo would love to have known he could have done it
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@Specialman, yeah, its a tough life - but I did talk him out of Go-Karting! You have to do 3 sports (plus biology/psychology/nutrition bits!) one solo, one team and one other. He chose Rugby, Athletics, and Snowboarding. His brother did Rugby, Cricket and Skiing.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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@Richard_Sideways good story.
Think you might like this one in similar vein.
Went skiing with an adult friend, my son, my daughter and my friend's 16yo son who was also looking to do his GCSE in skiing.
He needed a video of him "Effecting a rescue".
My daughter is the putative rescuee and, throwing herself into the role, sheds skis, poles, gloves and spreadeagles herself on the piste as if mortally wounded.
The son skis down, fails to stop above the 'victim' and continues past. Realising his mistake he attempts to walk up a bit but trips and falls onto the the 'victim'.
Having been helped back to his feet by the victim he then proceeds to take off his skis to put in the classic X ... but does it below her. Dad is that this point yelling at him whilst I can now be heard in the video howling with laughter.
He attempts to retrieve his skis and carry them up the slope to put above the victim. He, again, falls over and loses one of the skis which heads off down the slope.
Whilst probably realising that this video is not going to work he doggedly continues and places one ski above the victim and then, finally, attempts to help her to her feet. He, probably unsurprisingly by this point, fails to do so and they both fall over in a heap. Dad is by now incoherently shouting at him.
We abandoned this attempt, and the subsequent two attempts wherein the victim was progressively less 'injured' until we finally managed, just about, to have my daughter sitting up with all kit retained and the son just helping her to her feet. I'm not sure if the video was ever used but I heard that the did, somehow, get his GCSE.
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Lots of good advice here. Personally, I have found chairlifts to be a real possible source of accidents, and I have a whole set of rules to limit the chance of injury. One of them, is that as I rise from the lift, I hold my arms firmly slightly outstretched in order to claim my "space" and make others either side of me aware that I am there.
EDIT: "Outstretched" means outstretched in front of me, with in the line of my skis, with elbows still bent somewhat. Not stretched sideways. This also helps others to not flail their arms and poles around, and encourages other to wait until we have some space before fanning-out.
Last edited by You'll need to Register first of course. on Thu 9-04-26 20:43; edited 1 time in total
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@Poogle, you outstretch your arms in front of me they get pushed away. There is no need
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| holidayloverxx wrote: |
| @Poogle, you outstretch your arms in front of me they get pushed away. There is no need |
No need to worry! "Outstretched" means outwards, within the line of my skis, not sideways — best way to keep everyone going straight, until there is enough space for folks to fan out.
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@Poogle, much better to hold your poles as described above, less chance of getting tangled when people don't react as you intend with outstretched arms
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lifting it up then dumping the whole contents of chair as it crashed back down. Further over to left a boarder now ejected unceremoniously, got on unbalanced on heel edge and shot across front of me and "pole" owner as we all cascaded down the exit ramp in a heap 
