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@AndAnotherThing.., 17,717 on the SkiIQ leaderboard
@thehighlandcowboy, @sean1967, I was just saying this to my wife over dinner, you’ve just got 6 nice turns in, the beep tone is increasing and suddenly you see a crocodile of 4 year olds so have to change your rhythm and slowly pick your way down the slope, all the time knowing that next year they’ll already be better than you (or me anyway!)
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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| KenX wrote: |
| @richb67, I've used the app with both IOS and Android, both function perfectly well, just my 2c..... |
Thanks, good to know.
In case anyone from Carv reads this I remembered that to get the audio on I had to switch modes.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Took my 76mm/r13.5 iRallys out yesterday, upped my moguls score bybone, but could get anywhere near the carving score that I achieved on my 110mm Enforcers! Lots of opportunity for mogul skiing but maybe the conditions are not so good for carving 
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I'm going to do a SL ski test with CARV on my lunch break, and see what sort of results it turns out. I'll not be skiing the most ideal area to score well, but we'll see what comes of it.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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@richb67, I find getting the first lift, a nice red or steeper blue and lapping that a couple of times can help in increasing score. Corduroy definitely helps.
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@richb67, the iOS app has hung on me and needed force killing.
Supposedly a known bug that will be fixed.
On short turns Carv just said this on Facebook
Hi Alexa, thanks for your question.
It is probable that even if you hit all the “short turn” metrics like corridor <4m, 40+ TPM, and 28+ turn closure, the system can still call it carving if your edge engagement and turn shape are very clean.
Basically, Ski:IQ looks at patterns in how your skis interact with the snow:
- Short turns: tight corridor, fast rhythm, quick edge transitions, and “snappy” feet over soft knees.
- Carving: even if your turns are short, if you’re holding strong edge angles, building G-force, and rounding the turn like a smooth arc, the model will detect carving.
Try more aggressive, quicker transitions and a slightly looser edge in the corridor. Keep your feet active and rebound quickly at the turn transition rather than holding a smooth arc. That usually flips it from “carving” to “short turn” in the coaching tab.
Hope this helps,
Julia
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| richb67 wrote: |
@AndAnotherThing.., 17,717 on the SkiIQ leaderboard
@thehighlandcowboy, @sean1967, I was just saying this to my wife over dinner, you’ve just got 6 nice turns in, the beep tone is increasing and suddenly you see a crocodile of 4 year olds so have to change your rhythm and slowly pick your way down the slope, all the time knowing that next year they’ll already be better than you (or me anyway!) |
This is absolutely it! Nicely going up and consistent set of turns and then you come across obstacles, and just need to react and get past them, so back to square one. Finding empty enough slopes is hard enough this week so I wouldn’t bother using it if I was restricted to peak weeks I think…
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On my iRallys again today, some serious hip on the snow carving, but I can't get anywhere near the carving score I was getting on my Enforcer 110s! The iRallys feel better at carving, but the Carv scores suggest otherwise
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@tangowaggon, anything noticeable in the scoring? Also in the current world of social media/ski porn, we need videos of the hip carving, my algorithm is full of it  It'll help all of us sat at the work desk through the day!!
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Back to the Mirrus Cors today and just squeezed into the next tier. I love a solid rebound when carving but the App algorithms clearly don’t appreciate that. I’ve found keeping it smoother and less “reboundy” on the turn exit makes for better scores (but a bit less fun).
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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@tangowaggon, what’s the comparative Carv scores for both runs?
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| James the Last wrote: |
| Those of you improving your scores… do you think you’re getting better at skiing, or better at getting good Carv scores? (As I have seen the video of MadMilo getting his 171 clearly it recognises how good the skier is. But this is a slightly different question!) |
I’ve been thinking about this and to get good scores you definitely need to ski the Carv way and search out appropriate pitches - I’ve found that it makes me a better smoother skier but I think, more importantly, that even when just in pure tracking mode (not coaching) having the App ping my scores into my ear keeps me very much more engaged and concentrated. On every slope I’m working on my skiing: I’m not just cruising down, I’m way more focussed on technique.
I tend to get the best scores on first lifts on corduroy with few people about - no brainer. It’s made me seek out first lifts on non-powder days, previously unheard of. On the downside I’ve been doing way less touring and telemarking - I guess Carv willl need a much larger base of people before they offer a telemark option 
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You know it makes sense.
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@Grinning, Having seen Jnr experimenting with this over Xmas, yes this year CARV prefers smoother turn shape. But you still need to bend the ski, his good scores were coming with a turn radius of less than half of the skis radius.
Having had some brief message exchanges with him yesterday, it seems that CARV is failing to read his moguls runs. I've told him to record 1 run and send it to them to investigate.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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@Grinning, great result!!!
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Poster: A snowHead
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| doddsie wrote: |
@Grinning, But you still need to bend the ski, his good scores were coming with a turn radius of less than half of the skis radius.
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I’ve been pondering these radius stats over the last couple of days and don’t fully understand what they are measuring. If a ski with a say R17 is leaving clean railroad tracks (so no skid) how can the Carv radius be bigger by a fair margin ?
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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I think Doddsie is saying the “Carv radius” which yields results is smaller (about half) than the ski’s stated radius so an R17 ski should be making R9 turns to yield better Carv scores. It seems to like high Gs too
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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@Grinning, Exactly and forcing that radius will by necessity mean high Gs
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@KenX, Hit a new high of 129 carving today.
Felt like a nice few turns, weather a hit rubbish so pistes quiet. It did follow a few in the mid 120s so I must have just managed to get enough better turns in. conditions were only so-so, it was a nice surprise to get the message in my ear. It does seem strange that I can score more highly for a sequence of e.g. only 3 of 8 turns classed as carving than a run when all 8 are carving. I guess some are marginal on eg edge angle but decent in other metrics.
Also had a little attempt at short turns, I can get them to register now and hit my new high of 120. Amusingly it identified my playing about “ankle turns” on a shallow skiweg as short turns with a corridor of 1.2m, rubbish score though 
@Grinning @sean1967,
We move to Corvara next week and are only a short walk from the pistes there so I sometimes pop out first thing by myself while Mrs B is having a lie in. it’ll be interesting to see how those runs score. I’ll probably giving the coaching another try then.
Mrs B is the better skier and ultra competitive so isn’t sure if she wants to try Carv or not. “What if your score is better than mine”, if it is the algorithm seriously wrong!
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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@richb67, the middle blue at Colfosco is a perfect slope for working on your Carv. Not too busy, wide, very quickly repeatable.
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@Grinning, demoed the Mirus Cors for my carving ski shootout on StyleAltitude a few years back and was massively impressed!
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There is a young SH, far too modest to say anything. The Wengen area is full of the world cup this weekend. So, young snow head skis down to one of the lifts only to be stopped and congratulated on some "great carving".....by Marco Odermatt.
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@swskier, how do you see ‘best’ individual turns in the app ?
- found it !
Last edited by Ski the Net with snowHeads  on Fri 16-01-26 16:50; edited 1 time in total
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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| KenX wrote: |
| @Grinning, demoed the Mirus Cors for my carving ski shootout on StyleAltitude a few years back and was massively impressed! |
Not sure how long they’ll last but whilst they do they’re a lot of fun. Really have to calm down to get them smooth.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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I’m hitting the mountain on Sunday so will get to try some powder scores hopefully. Never tried that with CARV.
Had a few messages for the referral code. Replies to all. If anyone else needs one then please let me know.
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| Rogerdodger wrote: |
| There is a young SH, far too modest to say anything. The Wengen area is full of the world cup this weekend. So, young snow head skis down to one of the lifts only to be stopped and congratulated on some "great carving".....by Marco Odermatt. |
Congrats to them, I hope the modest SH is walking with a bounce in their step and big grin on their face
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You know it makes sense.
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@Grinning, @doddsie, @AndAnotherThing
OK you've pulled me in with all this talk of edge angles and radius. I've just looked into it for 5 minutes online and I am now an expert; this is what I've concluded:
- The published radius of a ski is its radius when pushing the base of the ski totally flat to the snow. i.e. edge angle = zero degrees.
- As soon as the ski starts to tilt, the carving radius of the ski has to decrease, relative to the edge angle.
- So you will never truly "carve" a ski at its published radius. A ski has an infinite number of perfect carving radii; the higher the edge angle, the lower the perfect carve radius is for that ski, at that moment.
You can test this with a piece of paper. Cut out an arc from the bottom of a piece of A4, that represents one edge of a parabolic ski. Slowly raise the edge angle of the paper, whilst keeping all of the parabola on the table. Watch what happens to the radius...
Hence why MadMiloSkis's high scoring turns are high-edge-angle, low-radius.
So, all that is probably really obvious to you lot. But it was a light bulb moment for my old brain. (also see https://snowheads.com/ski-forum/viewtopic.php?t=87588)
PS @MadMiloSkis ,  just amazing
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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@AntonAusTirol, I’m just picturing you holding a Blue Peter cut piece of paper onto a flat surface - no double-sided sticky tape allowed
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Poster: A snowHead
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| Grinning wrote: |
| @AntonAusTirol, I’m just picturing you holding a Blue Peter cut piece of paper onto a flat surface - no double-sided sticky tape allowed |
Doest it get soggy when you hold it against the snow?
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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I’m proud of Jnr for many reasons, but not really his CARV ranking, although it is very enjoyable skiing with him when he’s analysing the data and changing things to influence his score. That’s why I post on this thread, as I’ve seen first hand what’s important to get good ski IQ scores, even though I have no chance of achieving them myself.
swskier the 180 turns were on a camber, so were achieved into the hill, followed by 165 turns in the other direction. Realistically he thinks a 175 should be possible, on the right slope and in the right conditions. New Years week in Morzine was never going to be optimal. I’m pretty sure he’ll tumble down the rankings now, seeing as most places now have much better snow and quieter slopes. Unfortunately he only skis on piste for one week a year, so I doubt he’ll get a chance to improve his carving score this season.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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I never managed to get out yesterday lunch time on the SLs but I didn't manage the last hour or so today, so as you can imagine piste conditions not great.
Should have remembered to charge the CARV units, so no way to see how the score would have been. I've found a piste locally though that could work with the SLs, put down some great turns, and will have to see how they score another time.
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Managed to get the SL skis and charged CARV units aligned this afternoon. Didn't use them until the afternoon as I went to do some race training first thing, so pistes were trashed.
Did find one pitch that I managed to up this season's best score to 154 but still below the adjusted best of 155.
Pitch wasn't quite long enough before it ended so scores for each turn were
151
154
156
160
156
158
147
120
So a huge drop off otherwise I'd have beaten my top score for sure, and maybe even beaten last year's high of 157.
We go again another day!
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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One thing I've really noticed is CARV really rewarding steeper ie red slopes more than in previous years and almost penalising gentler slopes.
I'm probably 4 or so points lower this year on the same blue runs with comparable metrics compared to last year....
Problem here is pretty much all the red runs are really scratchy and hard, they never ever get "corduroyed", just flattened, so pretty much a case of waiting for the right temps/conditions to get a good run on a steeper slope!
Right after a snowfall would be best, but then I'm out in the pow!!!
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@KenX, agreed, and i found myself a "red" section on a blue piste specifically to try and score. Scores instantly ramp up.
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| KenX wrote: |
| @Grinning, demoed the Mirus Cors for my carving ski shootout on StyleAltitude a few years back and was massively impressed! |
Thanks KenX for your kind comment.
I failed to update the kit I was using that day - should have been the Stockli Laser SCs. I love the Mirus Cors and regularly swap them out with the Stocklis.
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| sean1967 wrote: |
| @richb67, the middle blue at Colfosco is a perfect slope for working on your Carv. Not too busy, wide, very quickly repeatable. |
if you're talking about the Colfosco cul-de-sac (the Edelweiss valley?) that's where I was thinking about, it's a bit boring which is probably perfect for practicing! There is a bit of everything with the wide blue, a red and then the short black for short turns.
Interestingly I looked at the data for my three highest score today and compared them to the cluster below. The higher are all on 22/23 degree slopes where I've obviously been controlling my speed more so having a higher percent for finishing turns and also, presumably because it's steeper and easier, using my weight more effectively. So although other elements of my technique were lower those two items were much higher. I assumed this had pushed up my ski IQ rather than the angle itself but who knows.
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| Ld wrote: |
Has anyone done any tests to see how much, or if at all, the sensors mess with finding a beacon? I asked carv and they have not done any tests. They just assume it's all good.
I wanted to take them into the powder during this last snowfall, but it was too much of an added risk for me. |
The technologies are completely different. There’s no risk of the low power Bluetooth signal (2.4 GHz, ~1mW) from Carv or your headphones etc interfering with a beacon (low frequency magnetic field). Your phone is a couple of orders of magnitude higher power, and probably close to your beacon but still not going to cause problems.
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I don’t think we can say “no risk” - Bluetooth (incl. Carv): very high frequency, low power, *low but measurable interference*
During a transceiver search, signal margins are small and already affected by burial depth and antenna orientation: any further electronic noise can reduce range or create false signal minima. For this reason, manufacturers and rescue organisations advise turning off all unnecessary electronic devices during a search. Personally, I’d accept the low risk presented by low power devices like Carv, especially as likely over 60cm from a chest-mounted transceiver. I’d be way more concerned about heated gloves than Carv.
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right above Ted Liggety, nice one 